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Baltic Dry Index


Aarbee wrote some really good stuff in post number 27 regarding the peculiarities of the BDI (especially as relates to new ship supply entering the market ... sort of like an increase in open interest!).

Anyone done any investigation of the HARPEX index? Looks at container-ship rates. Link: http://www.harperpetersen.com/harpex/harpexVP.do

Attached is a description of the HARPEX, pdf format.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37834&stc=1&d=1278643096

Would put up a chart but the link not working for me at the moment.
 

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Link now working, chart of the HARPEX index, measures a different aspect of global shipping to the BDI and obviously looking very different.

Source: http://www.harperpetersen.com/harpex/harpexVP.do

The differences between the two make sense though - given the massive stockpiling that China has undertaken over the last 6-12 months in IO (don't know about coal?) and the uncertainty about whether that volume of intake can continue VS the rebound in container freight from the massive low of the GFC which was due to credit issues.

I guess it's a matter of which one bears the more weight in determining the overall flow of economies - raw materials or finished goods?
 
Have spent a bit of time having a look at this index, basically came to the conclusion that it's way too complicated for me to follow closely.The only conclusion I've been able to come up with in regards to this thing is that if you aren't an expert at analysing the shipbuilding industry and forecasting future trends in both it and the demand side for commodities, then the index basically has no use

Found this commentary written last year that explains most of the problems I've found in my limited research:

http://researchreloaded.com/content/baltic-dry-index-reliable-forward-indicator-nonsense


And just on the supply side of things, and reason for my post today:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...longest-slump-in-15-years-on-vessel-glut.html


Add in addition to the supply side problem, throw in a few port bottlenecks like we have been seeing at Newcastle over the past few years that can further skew any supply side analysis and all of a sudden you have to be a dry bulk shipping expert just to be able to keep up with one side of the index. Thanks, but no thanks
 
A fair and reasonable point Prof.

I keep harping back to aarbee’s post (#27) where he introduced to this thread some of the challenges with using the BDI to gain clues about the strength or otherwise of the global economy. Sam76 reiterated in post #40. Essential reading.

On aarbee’s and Sam76’s points:
in the first half of this year the global fleet increased by 23% as new vessels came into service at the rate of 16 a month. There are now 23 such vessels arriving each month, adding to oversupply.
From The Economist of July 14, 2010:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2010/07/shipping_rates_slump


On a back-of-the-envelope calculation from this info:
  • If 16 bulk-carrier vessels were added per month in the first half of 2010:
  • 16*6 = 96 new vessels.
  • So, if this was a 23% increase in the global fleet size then the global fleet must be around 500 or so vessels now, & with 23 new ships being added per month, that’s about a 5% increase per month. Yikes.

Probably the best thing about learning about the BDI is discovering its weaknesses and then searching for alternative sources of info to improve understanding. Hence, looking at:
And there are more sources of info re global shipping/freight.

These are all inputs (to my head, anyway), all data points to consider, independent of the more widely read (and, usually, much slower to be released official government data on growth).
 
BDIY is like a lot of other data in that you need to look beyond the 'headline' figure to gain any real value out of it.

Similar to GDP figures, but to my mind, far more complicated.

And then once you fully analyse those components and sub-components, you end up making forecasts based on those specific pieces of data rather than the BDIY it's self.
 
Thanks Dumdumdumdum, must say your post leaves me wanting more.

Where you say:
once you fully analyse those components and sub-components, you end up making forecasts based on those specific pieces of data rather than the BDIY it's self

Can you show us an example of how you have fully analysed the components and subcomponents to make your forecasts?
 
7/7/10 (DJ) Depressed iron ore demand from Chinese steel mills has been pressuring shipping rates over the last month, with iron ore a key ingredient in steel production and the main product in dry bulk shipping. Chinese spot iron ore prices are near $US125 per tonne, a steep discount to the all-in cost of having it shipped from Australia, which is at $US155 per tonne.

7/14/10 (Economist) FOR most of the past two decades the main measure of shipping costs has been used as a guide to what is happening to world trade. So the fact that the Baltic Dry Index””which measures the rates charged for chartering the giant ships that carry coal, iron ore and grain””has fallen by almost 60% in its longest streak of consecutive declines for nine years (34 days running as of July 14th) has won attention.
 
Hi all,

While trying to make sense of the BDI please factor in the following relating to the supply side of dry bulk carriers:

Current fleet of vessels is 7,502 (501 million MT Deadweight). The Current Orderbook is 3,006 vessels (260million MT Deadweight), i.e. a full 52% of the existing drybulk carrying capacity is on order.
In the first half of the current year around 430 vessels (35.3 mil MT Dwt) have been delivered while around 830 vessels are expected to deliver in the rest of 2010 amounting to about 61.8mil MT Dwt carrying capacity.

At the onset of the GFC and after the BDI crashed, there were a lot of orders cancelled as the sentiment was really low and the financing became very tight. A lot other newbuildings delivery was delayed. It would take a similar crash for further slowdown, otherwise these new vessels will merrily keep rolling down the assembly line.

Cheers
 
aarbee - interested in the source of that info please, wouldn't mind doing some further reading.

Here are 3 other alternative transportation measures:

Note, these are all from the same blog, the source of the info is in the blog posts for those wanting to investigate further.

1. International Air Travel Shows Continuing Strength in June; Volumes are Above Pre-Recession Levels

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/international-air-travel-shows.html

2.Shipping Rates for Hong Kong to LA Reach Five-Year Highs

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/shipping-rates-reach-5-year-high.html

3. And some bear food too: Trucking Tonnage Falls in June But Remains 7.6% Above June Last Year

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/trucking-tonnage-falls-in-june-but.html
 
aarbee - interested in the source of that info please, wouldn't mind doing some further reading.

I work for a drybulk ship chartering business and the figures are part of the shipping intelligence reports we regularly get.

Cheers
 
I work for a drybulk ship chartering business and the figures are part of the shipping intelligence reports we regularly get.

Cheers

Thanks aarbee, appreciate the info.
 
Have spent a bit of time having a look at this index, basically came to the conclusion that it's way too complicated for me to follow closely.

Prof - I am having a look at the most recent moves in the BDI and I reckon your comments pretty much sum up how I am thinking about the BDI too.

Check this out:
Baltic Dry Index Jumps 36% in Two Weeks ...
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...-36-in-two-weeks-as-china-lifts-iron-ore.html



I think we have done a pretty reasonable job on this thread trying to make sense of the BDI and its usefulness (or not) as some sort of indicator of global growth. The collapse in its value throughout June and early July was massive and I thought we may have nailed this outsized move as being largely in response to the huge increase in dry bulk shipping supply (thanks to aarbee for the figures), and therefore not necessarily due solely to falling demand.

But now how to account for this 36%-odd jump in two weeks?

A lot of the blogs and market commentators, having readily attributed the plunge in the BDI to plummeting global demand (not mentioning the enormous increase in supply as being a factor) are now silent, no mention of the 36% jump at all. This commentary attributes the lack of attention being paid to the jump in the BDI as an example of confirmation bias.
Confirmation bias and what the transports are telling us about sentiment and the US economy.
http://www.chart.ly/qx64427

It is a conundrum. At the very least, though, this thread has now sharpened my awareness of measures of freight/shipping apart from the BDI, things such as the Harpex, air freight figures, railroad figures, port figures ... viewing these all together gives a much better picture than any single index can (of course).

Would really like to figure out the BDI, though
 
Not sure if this latest (rather pronounced fall) figure is correct, but if so, maybe more of a sign of a glut in new ship production. Also reports that waiting times at Chinese ports have dropped substantially ie less trade?



Some mob called Nordea report??

 
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