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Thread is just a political rant fest once again, xenophobic hysteria always sways votes one way or another. ....
Another two boats arrive - 12 boats so far this month. I'm sure all Australians must love our open border policy and the way we encourage these people to set sail for Australia. It's well worth it though as look what's waiting for them at the other end of the trip.
What an absolute pathetic excuse for a government this lot is. It's beyond unbelievable - what a joke!
And Gillard has made it political. She promised to stop the boats just before the last election. Another broken commitment. And she sits back and does nothing about these boats pouring in.
Abbott has offered bi-partisan support for humane offshore processing. We are being taken to the cleaners while Gillard seems uninterested.
+1.You think it is just a political rant? How insulting do you have to be? Some of us actually care about this country and don't like the fact that we are being invaded by people who have little in the way of security checks.
You are clearly not in sync with the majority of voters in this country.
This is not political, it is about being concerned at the lack of border control. Just because Gillard and Rudd decided to abolish the Pacific Solution that actually worked and made it political all by themselves is something you should take up with them and not with the rest of us who would have preferred they gave bi-partisan support for something that clearly worked so well.
But NO. They decided they knew better - and what a disaster that has been.
+1 Yep - spot on.
If she had any soul she sold it long ago when she ousted Rudd. She has, since then, continued to demonstrate that she is entirely about her personal political survival. No concern for anything or anyone else.Having said something like that, how far do you have to sell your soul to the Devil to have come up with the Malaysia Solution?
Indeed.What a disgrace.
Just love the xenophobic talk on this thread!
How is it xenophobic when we want our borders protected for security purposes but all's fair to block LEGAL 457 VISA WORKERS from entering our country to WORK?
The Coalition's latest asylum seeker plan is inhumane and lacks integrity.
TONY Abbott and Scott Morrison recently stood in front of Australia and proudly presented the Coalition's plan to ''ensure integrity and restore confidence in refugee assessment''. There is not much to be proud about in this policy. The announcement was based on misinformed and misleading information that plays straight into the unfounded public fear of asylum seekers.
How can you ''restore integrity'' to the policy affecting asylum seekers when the proposals embraced are based on falsehoods, misinformation and a blatant playing of politics with the lives of vulnerable people? This is the opposite of integrity. It is inhumane and demeans Australia. Is this the basis on which Abbott will operate if he, as he believes he will, becomes prime minister?
Australia has a robust and effective legal system to assess whether or not someone is a refugee. Declaring that a tougher and more rigorous process is required ignores the fact that we do not have an asylum seeker problem and we have not lost control of our borders.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-evil-policy-work-20120617-20hzs.html#ixzz1y5naqHwC
Malcolm Fraser - The Age - basilio - Hmmm? No bias there? :shake:
Why not read the article and dispute the facts Calliope ?
Why not read the article and dispute the facts Calliope ?
This seems an entirely valid question to me. Would appreciate your comment here, basilio.The illegal boat people seem to have plenty of money to fly to Indonesia and then pay $10,000 plus to the people smugglers. So why then do they not fly into Australia with the proper documents on a tourist visa and over stay as others do? The difference of course is those who fly in and overstay are not entitled to social security hand outs like the illegal boat people.
Another major part of the policy is to draw an unfavourable inference about an applicant's identity if they arrive without documents. The reference to ''90 per cent of arrivals having no documents whatsoever'' is a blatant attempt to mislead the public. A footnote refers to a budget estimates hearing relating to asylum seekers arriving without a passport. But arriving without a passport is not the same as arriving with no documents ''whatsoever''. While people may arrive without a passport, it does not mean they do not have other identity documents.
There are numerous reasons people arrive without a passport: they may not have one, they have had to hand it over to people smugglers, or they have panicked and destroyed it because it is their identity that has caused persecution, torture and imprisonment in the past. Further to this, to prove an asylum seeker is a refugee, identity documents must be provided - therefore there is no way to be found to be a refugee without any documents. This is not indicative of a system ''wide open to abuse'' or one in which assessors are forced to make a ''best guess''.
The reason nine out of 10 people who arrive by boat receive visas is that they have proved they are refugees. They have provided identifying documents and have proved that owing to a ''well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion'' they are unable to return to their home country. Fear that has forced them to flee and seek protection in Australia. Protection that, as signatories to the Refugee Convention, we are obliged to offer and should be proud to offer.
Asylum seekers are not granted refugee status because they do not have documents or are cheating a vulnerable system. The presumption that people who arrive in Australia seeking our protection are trying to cheat our system is offensive.
As a final indication of the value of this policy, it refers to section 49A of the Migration Act. There is no section 49A.
As has been repeatedly pointed out 90% of the boat arrivals have had their refugee status accepted when investigated.
Yes they do. And it has been repeatedly asked, but not answered;
Why do people who arrive illegally without papers get preference over those who arrive legally with papers? Don't give me your bullsh*t that sneaking in the back door without a passport or visa is legal entry.
Oh, I see, if you arrive by boat (via other countries) you must be a refugee.
You have it dead right calliope. When you are being persecuted and can't emigrate because you will get killed in the process you escape whatever way you can. Thats what a refugee is.
Would you prefer it if we simply relabelled all boat people as Muslim terrorists and sent them to sleep with the fishes as summary justice ?
So how did they get to fly from Iraq or wherever all the way through to Indonesia, Malaysia etc?If a person has a ''well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion'' they arn't going to be able to waltz up to local authorities and get travel documents etc to get of the country.
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