Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[StumpyPhantom]

The Labor government has given up on border control and is leaving its huge mess for the Liberal party to clean up when it wins the next election.

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The boat arrivals are now maxing up:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/fifth-boat-arrival-this-week-20120511-1ygwp.html

But I wouldn't say Labor's given up completely. Every boat arrival is accompanied by a Bowen press release blaming the Coalition - HA HA!

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/cb/2012/cb186583.htm

 

[roxane]

Unfortunately those who make the decision in relation to asylum seekers, they never ever lived in a multicultural suburb. But I did. And every Australian who didn't or couldn't move out in time from those areas, you just have to ask them what they think of their multicultural neighborhood. Before you make any judgement, go and find out yourself first how is it like to live among them. There are always some exceptions of course, but the majority is not compatible with the Australian democratic values.

 

[sails]

4 Corners tonight at 8:30pm "Smugglers' Paradise - Australia" will be on - here is an excerpt from the link below:

What Four Corners discovers is shocking and calls into question the entire refugee assessment process.

How did they get here and how can they operate their criminal network with impunity right under the nose of police and immigration authorities?

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/31/3515475.htm


And more boats - from news.com.au: Navy intercepts fourth boat in four days

Gillard could fix this. Abbott has offered bipartisan support for the system that worked previously.

 

[numbercruncher]

Im thinking if we stop patrolling these Waters and "rescuing" people these Illegals might stop trying ?

 

[Julia]

Im thinking if we stop patrolling these Waters and "rescuing" people these Illegals might stop trying ?

That's a novel suggestion, especially coming from The Left.
Good idea.
It would take about a minute, however, for the moral outrage to reach an all time high.

As Sails has said, a solution is available. The government, though, prefers to let them flood in, people smugglers included, rather than accept Tony Abbott's offer of a bipartisan solution.

 

[StumpyPhantom]

The most startling thing, despicable people smugglers aside (which we all seem to know they are abhorrent), was the images of people leading normal, (dare I say it) middle-class, suburban lives in the Middle East celebrating their impending 'migration' to Australia, almost as if it were an orthodox migration channel (not to mention their Australian relatives paying for it with the same mentality).

When serious criminal activity such as this is 'normalised' in the psyche of the places where the demand is unlimited, then we're in BIG trouble.

This has always been the problem with the Leftists in this argument. It's very easy to look in the mirror and moralise about how bad we are, but the real world is eating this up. Unlimited demand for a migration outcome, being treated by the smugglers as unlimited supply (even though they're charging much larger rates than they were a few years ago on the basis that this is a 'closing down' sale).

So here we are. The question is: how far can/does the pendulum have to swing the other way to stop this flow of boats? That's what has to happen, but we have to draw the line at exposing people to savage treatment in Malaysia. GO FIGURE!

 

[numbercruncher]

That's a novel suggestion, especially coming from The Left.
Good idea.

I knew that would appeal to the hearts of ze Right.

 

[sails]

The most startling thing, despicable people smugglers aside (which we all seem to know they are abhorrent), was the images of people leading normal, (dare I say it) middle-class, suburban lives in the Middle East celebrating their impending 'migration' to Australia, almost as if it were an orthodox migration channel (not to mention their Australian relatives paying for it with the same mentality).

When serious criminal activity such as this is 'normalised' in the psyche of the places where the demand is unlimited, then we're in BIG trouble.

This has always been the problem with the Leftists in this argument. It's very easy to look in the mirror and moralise about how bad we are, but the real world is eating this up. Unlimited demand for a migration outcome, being treated by the smugglers as unlimited supply (even though they're charging much larger rates than they were a few years ago on the basis that this is a 'closing down' sale).

So here we are. The question is: how far can/does the pendulum have to swing the other way to stop this flow of boats? That's what has to happen, but we have to draw the line at exposing people to savage treatment in Malaysia. GO FIGURE!

Something that stood out to me in the Four Corners investigation last night was the girl who tragically lost her newly wed husband - he got on a boat and has never been seen since. What what surprised me was the elegant furniture in her home, she was well dressed and groomed and it seemed that money was no object. And yet they come here at the expense of taxpayers? Something seems very wrong and it seems the genuine refugee just might be finding things pretty tough trying to compete with so many that may not be genuine at all.

 

[sptrawler]

I love how, Bowen is straight faced on t.v telling us they are going to bring down the wrath of the government on them.
The question is why? they let them in, they did the check and found nothing. A t.v station obviously didn't have too much trouble finding out the situation.
So what the hell is happening with the Federal Police and Immigration Dept, with the information at their disposal.
Maybe we should run a check in at the Christmas Island Macas drive through. LOL
Bob is certainly getting out on a high.

 

[numbercruncher]

There is nothing that mandates that a "refugee" must be poor or have bad taste in furniture or dress poorly and this is regardless of their language skills or skin colour.


After the Earthquakes in Christchurch we had 10s of Thousands of Environmental refugees flee Christchurch

After Bush and Johnny invaded Iraq and Afghanistan 10s of thousands were made refugees many of them wealthier than many of us will ever be.

et cetera

If anyone is unsure of the definition of Refugee you could always google it.

 

[boofhead]

The story will serve as political ammunition to senior figures in the related government departments and agencies for more funding for more bureaucrats. It does make one wonder how things are actually processed and researched. It will be interesting to find out how the humanitarian people will answer any questions about handling such people and how they can be properly screened.

 

[sptrawler]

There is nothing that mandates that a "refugee" must be poor or have bad taste in furniture or dress poorly and this is regardless of their language skills or skin colour.


After the Earthquakes in Christchurch we had 10s of Thousands of Environmental refugees flee Christchurch

After Bush and Johnny invaded Iraq and Afghanistan 10s of thousands were made refugees many of them wealthier than many of us will ever be.

et cetera

If anyone is unsure of the definition of Refugee you could always google it.

Agree with you 100%, numbercruncher, the only issue is why come in as an illegal, also wasn't it reported they were Iraq refugees when they were in fact from another country.
Apart from that, they can dress how they like.

 

[Julia]

The story will serve as political ammunition to senior figures in the related government departments and agencies for more funding for more bureaucrats. It does make one wonder how things are actually processed and researched. It will be interesting to find out how the humanitarian people will answer any questions about handling such people and how they can be properly screened.

The ABC have thoroughly shown up the relevant government departments with their thousands of employees.
That just one ABC program with no doubt a limited budget and certainly limited personnel can uncover so much in five weeks of investigation puts the government to total shame.

No wonder not one of the Immigration Minister, the Attorney General, or one other invited Minister whom I now can't remember would front on "7.30" this evening.
What a pack of idjits.

 

[sptrawler]

I see Bowen is going to probe! LOL

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...e-people-smuggling-claims-20120605-1zswz.html

Maybe he should just employ the A.B.C to carry out immigration control. LOL
He could pay them to do on the weekends, it would have to be better than what they have now.

Oh no sorry, it's Tony's fault, because he used a trolley the guy collected.LOL
These goons are a real hoot. Like I said Bobs going out while the goings good.LOl,LOL

 

[dutchie]

And some people want the person who initiated this mess to replace the worst Australian PM ?

You've got to be joking!

Hang your head in shame K Rudd.

 

[dutchie]

Why on earth do we bother screening these illegal invaders.

If they don't get through the first screening, they appeal and get through the second screening - no worries mate!

The whole system is a joke and the people smugglers and their clients know it.

 

[Calliope]

Why on earth do we bother screening these illegal invaders.

If they don't get through the first screening, they appeal and get through the second screening - no worries mate!

The whole system is a joke and the people smugglers and their clients know it.

Exactly.

 

[Calliope]

Between 80% and 90% of boat people who arrive here without passports or documents are eventually accepted as refugees. This is high by world standards and gives credibility to the people smugglers' promises.

This figure is much higher than the acceptance figures for those who arrive by air with documents!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...uck-as-border-control-fails/story-e6frgd0x-12

 

[numbercruncher]

Our refugee issues are nothing compared to the rest of the world - ofcourse more will arrive here during labors reign as more have been created around the world during this time - Most Iraqi refugees for example were caused by Bush and Howards morally bankrupt and deadly war for oil but arrive here during labor's Governing term but obviously liberals caused it.

According to UNHCR’s latest report, ‘Asylum Levels and Trends in Industrialized Countries 2011’,* the number of people seeking asylum in industrialised countries rose by 20% in 2011. In Europe 327,200 asylum claims were made last year; many refugees fleeing conflicts from the Arab world and West Africa.

UN High Commissioner for Refugees Antònio Guterres called on EU member states to put such numbers in perspective “Europe is not a continent flooded with refugees,” highlighting the fact that over 80% of refugees are located in developing countries. “The number of asylum claims received across all industrialized countries is still smaller than the population of Dadaab, a single refugee camp in north-east Kenya,” Guterres added with regard to a camp for Somali refugees.

http://baltic-review.com/2012/06/refugees-so-close-but-yet-so-far/

We have it easy peezy with only 20k a year - Europe appears to be under a full scale invasion of displaced people.

And I still see people arguing that the world isnt over populated - crikey.

 

[Julia]

Another two boats late yesterday.