Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Garpal Gumnut]

Another two boats late yesterday.

I feel sorry for all the poor bastards who have done the right thing, and applied for migration through the proper channels.

They are in a longer queue now, and just as deserving, if not more, given Capt. Emad's taxpayer funded holiday in Australia.

gg

 

[numbercruncher]

We get it so easy compared to the rest of the World with the refugee problem.

I bet our sucessive Governments misadventures help make more refugees than we actually accept.

In 2000, 300 000 refugees sought asylum in Europe. Just over 4000 reached Australia by boat or plane.

The heaviest burden of assisting refugees is borne by poor nations.

There are nearly four million Afghans in refugee camps in Pakistan and Iran.
Tanzania is hosting 680 000 refugees, Yugoslavia 484 000, Guinea 433 139 and Sudan 401 000.
Of industrialised nations, only Germany (906 000) and the United States (507 290) play host to large numbers.
Tanzania hosts one refugee for every 76 Tanzanian people (1:76)
Britain hosts one refugee for every 530 British people. (1:530)
Australia hosts one refugee for every 1583 Australian people. (1:1583)

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=1946

I would imagine all of you will now be petitioning to substantially raise our intake to help share the burdon of these other nations ?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

We get it so easy compared to the rest of the World with the refugee problem.

I bet our sucessive Governments misadventures help make more refugees than we actually accept.




http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=1946

I would imagine all of you will now be petitioning to substantially raise our intake to help share the burdon of these other nations ?

numbercrucher,

Many posts on this thread fail to take in to account the demographics and fears of the hosting nation ( Australia ) in this debate.

We are a small Anglo-Celtic nation in the Southern Hemisphere and the people of Australia have justifiable fears that they may be swamped by un-regulated migration from foreign countries and cultures such as Ceylon, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and other third world countries with an ethical and religious history quite different from Australia, and in my opinion quite inferior.

gg

 

[Julia]

I feel sorry for all the poor bastards who have done the right thing, and applied for migration through the proper channels.

They are in a longer queue now, and just as deserving, if not more, given Capt. Emad's taxpayer funded holiday in Australia.

gg

That's exactly the point which I keep trying to make but which is so persistently ignored by The Left.

The level of boat arrivals is such that the Immigration Dept is taken up with managing these whilst those who have applied through the proper channels, and moreover, who lack the financial resources to pay people smugglers, continue to sit in squalid refugee camps in Malaysia and other similarly miserable environments. Many of these people are already confirmed as refugees, unlike those arriving by boat who have purposely destroyed all their documentation.

Yet they receive priority.

 

[Glen48]

I can tell you from experience dealing with Oz immigration is the pits, their code system to access your application does not work meaning you have to fill in the app. a few times about 20 pages worth, no one replies to any e mails or tells you whats going on as the person involved once put on the list is given all the high security of the PM.

They want to know parents parents birthday's which is ok if both of your parents are still alive, you need to do several trips in to the city and take a number and cross your fingers you will be served before closing time if you want to know how NOT to run a business video this lot at work.

While you are waiting for your app. to be sorted you are paying for the other half over seas while boat people all they have to do is step ashore and all is found.

Migration here encourages boat people to risk it and RE propaganda pushers run Add's on over seas Tv's telling how to get there and invest in real estate and live the life of an Attorney.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I can tell you from experience dealing with Oz immigration is the pits, their code system to access your application does not work meaning you have to fill in the app. a few times about 20 pages worth, no one replies to any e mails or tells you whats going on as the person involved once put on the list is given all the high security of the PM.

They want to know parents parents birthday's which is ok if both of your parents are still alive, you need to do several trips in to the city and take a number and cross your fingers you will be served before closing time if you want to know how NOT to run a business video this lot at work.

While you are waiting for your app. to be sorted you are paying for the other half over seas while boat people all they have to do is step ashore and all is found.

Migration here encourages boat people to risk it and RE propaganda pushers run Add's on over seas Tv's telling how to get there and invest in real estate and live the life of an Attorney.

Thanks Glen,

An important post.

gg

 

[Glen48]

GG let me hasten to add I was not referring to you in particular when I mention attorney as I see another thread the good work you are doing to help the down and out.
By the way there is a Bugatti Veyron for sale on the G Cost if your deal comes off.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

GG let me hasten to add I was not referring to you in particular when I mention attorney as I see another thread the good work you are doing to help the down and out.
By the way there is a Bugatti Veyron for sale on the G Cost if your deal comes off.

I bought it for your birthday mate.

gg

 

[Glen48]

Thanks you just wondering where you passed the bar.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Thanks you just wondering where you passed the bar.

lol
+1

gg

 

[Glen48]

Expecting you to say through the bat wing doors on your left..

 

[numbercruncher]

This whole issue is manipulated for political gain , we really do have bigger issues.

Myth 1 : Australia is being inundated by people in boats.

Fact: This is false. Approximately 2000 boat people have sought asylum in Australia in 2009. This number is tiny when compared to other countries. Even given an increase in 2009, the annual average number of boat arrivals to Australia is tiny in comparison to the 50,000 people that over-stay their visas each year, or when taking into account that on average 95% of asylum seekers actually arrive in Australia by plane.

Myth 2: The numbers coming to Australia are higher than other countries.

Fact: This is false. In 2008, 42 million people worldwide had been forcibly displaced from their homes. During 2008, 88,800 refugees were resettled in various countries throughout the world including Australia, while another 839,000 applied for asylum. Only 4,750 of these claims were made in Australia: this is 0.57% of all asylum claims. In the same period France received 35,400 claims, the USA received 49,600 and South Africa 207,000.

Myth 5: More boats are coming because of a ‘softening’ of asylum seeker policy in Australia.

Fact: Asylum seeker numbers have increased in 2009 all over the world – not just in Australia. Australia has received far less applications than other countries. The reason for large increases internationally is not because countries have ”gone soft”, but because the violence in countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan and Sri Lanka has worsened. An increase in the number and intensity of worldwide ”push factors” has forced many to flee.

Clearly Wars started by the right have contributed massively over the years. Also the international community ignoring some more deserving countries problems have added considerably to numbers.

More myths debunked here

http://www.boat-people.org/?page_id=148

 

[Julia]

This whole issue is manipulated for political gain , we really do have bigger issues.

You just quote more of the same whilst completely ignoring my point about the displacement of genuine proven refugees who have applied through proper formal channels and who are now forced backwards because of the processing of those arriving without documentation which they purposely destroy.

Your comment on this would be appreciated.

 

[numbercruncher]

You just quote more of the same whilst completely ignoring my point about the displacement of genuine proven refugees who have applied through proper formal channels and who are now forced backwards because of the processing of those arriving without documentation which they purposely destroy.

Your comment on this would be appreciated.

What displaced "proven" refugees ?- people" applying "from overseas as " refugees " seems to fly in the face of the meaning of the word.

Have you got some facts or links about " displaced proven refugees " caused by boatpeoe refugees ? How about the planepeople refugees heaps more of them.

Fact: Anyone who comes to Australia seeking protection – regardless of whether they come on a boat or on a plane – has a right under international and Australian law to apply for that protection. As an asylum seeker, they have legal status.

The vast majority of assylum seekers arrive by plane like 90pc- this whole boat thing is politics - Libs dont need this issue to win election I would think ?

 

[noco]

What displaced "proven" refugees ?- people" applying "from overseas as " refugees " seems to fly in the face of the meaning of the word.

Have you got some facts or links about " displaced proven refugees " caused by boatpeoe refugees ? How about the planepeople refugees heaps more of them.



The vast majority of assylum seekers arrive by plane like 90pc- this whole boat thing is politics - Libs dont need this issue to win election I would think ?

Those people who arrive by plane are processed with their passports and visas, the boat people destroy their documentation before landing on our shores.

The plane people who over stay their visas are most likely staying with relatives and do not receive the handouts given to the boat people.

The people arriving by plane normally have to give details where they are staying and in most cases can be tracked.

I should imagine the palne people would therefore not be a burden on the tax payer as are the illegal boat people.

 

[numbercruncher]

I dont really buy that ....

Whats to stop planepeople destroying all documents after arrival as say a holiday maker.

Anyway links and statistics welcome ive added plenty.

Actually being the only one who links facts while other people guess to forward their political agenda gets old ....

Myth 9: Most asylum seekers come by boat.

Fact: Most asylum seekers come to Australia by plane. In 2008, more than 95 per cent of asylum seekers arrived by plane.

 

[sptrawler]

What you really need to read up on. is the problem that countries with a small population are having, when their refugee population start to become a major voting block.
I am only going off memory but I think it is becoming an issue in Belgium and Luxemberg.

 

[numbercruncher]

Yes some countries are plain stupid to let in the numbers they do , eventually they have to stop one way or another.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes some countries are plain stupid to let in the numbers they do , eventually they have to stop one way or another.

So when the people smugglers decide to bring them in on supertankers, then we start to worry?
Lets not forget before the goon show got into power we had 2 people in detention centres.
But Bob and big red have sorted that and sorted the planets air problems out and put insulation in all the houses and given the unemployed ultra speed broadband to apply for jobs and put a tax on electricity because? we don't want to use our coal we want everyone else to burn it .
Must take breath LOL Ranting

 

[numbercruncher]

Thread is just a political rant fest once again, xenophobic hysteria always sways votes one way or another. Im not even sure who im voting for come the time ....

You guys have fun with the boat people just dont forget the plane people ... 95/5 remember ...

So if you all want the Asylum seeker thing to stop you need to petition for your MP to get the Refugee Convention that we ratified in 1954 overturned.

Out of this thread have fun.