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SirRumpole said:
If we are a secular nation, then maybe we should tolerate religions of any type less.

Throw away the silly superstitions and get some clear thinking in our governments and schools.

Don't publicly finance religious schools for a start.

Maybe that means showing disapproval of the things that some religious people do, like Halal certification, hiding their faces in public arranged marriages , female genital mutilation etc, just as we are holding Royal Commissions into child abuse.

I want this country to stay secular and pandering to religion of any sort won't keep it that way.
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Remember those pics of Afghanistan in the sixties contrasted with today? The girls in mini skirts laughing compared to the girl on the cover of National Geographic?

You have a right to protest and rail against those that would give away what our forebears fought for. It is obvious our constitution has secular clauses in it for a damned good reason ....... can you imagine what we would be like now with all those catholics in govt having to answer to the pope if not for the law demanding they do not? We'd all be running around with catholic guilt worrying god was going to do bad things to us, fessing up to voyeuristic pedophile blokes in dresses about our personal lives and wearing budgie smugglers!!!!
 
Tisme said:
Remember those pics of Afghanistan in the sixties contrasted with today? The girls in mini skirts laughing compared to the girl on the cover of National Geographic?

You have a right to protest and rail against those that would give away what our forebears fought for. It is obvious our constitution has secular clauses in it for a damned good reason ....... can you imagine what we would be like now with all those catholics in govt having to answer to the pope if not for the law demanding they do not? We'd all be running around with catholic guilt worrying god was going to do bad things to us, fessing up to voyeuristic pedophile blokes in dresses about our personal lives and wearing budgie smugglers!!!!
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:D

I reckon religious affiliation should be a disqualification from public office, or at least be publicly declared beforehand.

:)
 
SirRumpole said:
:D

I reckon religious affiliation should be a disqualification from public office, or at least be publicly declared beforehand.

:)
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See this is where you an I could become politicians ... we aren't compelled by some barbarian scriptures that on the odd occasion state the bleeding obvious ... at worst we could embrace Freemasonry and agree there is one god, that religions are just different pathways to the same dude and that we must never speak of such religions in conversation...... makes sense to me.

Otherwise we would have to sit next to micks in parliament and maybe get mick bugs and stuff and that can't be good for our health!
 
No policy changes here, of course;

“The start of detention-free processing is a landmark day for Nauru and represents an even more compassionate program, which was always the intention of our government,” said justice minister David Adeang.

However the timing – just days before the high court of Australia hears a challenge to the legality of offshore detention – has raised suspicions among legal and refugee advocates.

No doubt this will offend the lunatic skinhead fringe ... but such is the law and such is humanitarianism(my what a big word, completely unintelligible? more likely the fault of the reader than the word)
 
We are doing more for Muslims in Australia than any other country and by many it is not appreciated.

Henry Ergas tells the story.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...556732787?sv=2b6afd776ce4cf41e1b2d8810efb3431

According to senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs in the Turnbull government, the young Muslims who are being drawn into the extremism that led Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad to murder a NSW Police Force employee last Friday feel “disengaged” and “disenfranchised”.

No doubt. But it is also worth recalling the realities. And none is more important than the fact that Australia provides its young Muslims with opportunities that are outstanding.

The contrast to Europe could not be sharper. In Germany and The Netherlands, second-generation Muslims are twice as likely to leave school before completion than their native-born counterparts; in Australia, secondary school retention rates are no lower for second-generation Muslims than they are for the youth population as a whole.

Equally, in Germany and The Netherlands, young Muslims are only one-third as likely to complete post-secondary education as their native-born counterparts, with the result that barely 7 per cent of the children of Turks in Germany and 29 per cent of the children of Moroccans in The Netherlands gain a post-secondary credential; in Australia, the difference in entry rates is small, so that 43 per cent of second-generation Muslims have a post-secondary credential, compared to 52 per cent of the entire population aged 18 to 35.

The achievement is even more remarkable when outcomes for second-generation Australian Muslims are compared with those of their parents.

For example, a study of Sydney’s Lebanese Muslim community found that 45 per cent of the parents had left school before the equivalent of Year 10; in contrast, virtually all their children had completed upper secondary school, with the majority continuing to TAFE or university. Moreover, that difference in educational attainment has translated into sustained upward mobility: although 35 per cent of the fathers were manual labourers, only 10 per cent of the male children are; and while barely 3 per cent of the parents were in the professions, some 20 per cent of their children have professional jobs.

To emphasise those outcomes is not to ignore the problems. However, at least some of them reflect choice rather than necessity: the combination of very low rates of female labour force participation and relatively high birthrates — which then leads to strains on family budgets and welfare dependency — being a case in point. As for the other problems polls highlight, such as the perception of being in a job that falls short of one’s qualifications, they are by no means unique to young Muslims, with other young Australians suffering the effects of “credential inflation” every bit as acutely.

What is different about young Muslims is where those problems lead: to a sense of being hard done by, which others are responsible for and must redress.

For example, only 13 per cent of Australian-born Lebanese Christians strongly believe governments need to do more to advance the position of migrants; but 54 per cent of Australian-born Lebanese Muslims do. And though the majority of Australian-born Muslims say they have never experienced labour market discrimination themselves, they believe it to be relatively widespread and more so now than a decade ago.

It is that chasm between opportunity and grievance which needs to be explained; but its causes are not hard to find.

To begin with, young Australian Muslims, especially those of Middle Eastern extraction, are twice as likely as their Australian peers to have an identity in which religion plays a key part — and that religion, as practised in many Australian mosques, all too often preaches that Muslims are victims of grave injustice.

At the same time, they are highly likely to live in areas where a 30 per cent or higher proportion of the population shares their identity, such as Lakemba, Auburn and Greenacre in Sydney and Dandenong South, Dallas and Meadow Heights in Melbourne. And to make matters worse, their primary social networks in those areas are frequently narrow, with one survey finding that 40 per cent of young Muslims of Lebanese origin have never had any Anglo-Celtic friends.

The result is an echo chamber that does not merely confirm misperceptions but magnifies them, allowing dissatisfaction to meta*stasise, in extreme cases, into jihadism.

That process needs to be blocked; the risk, however, is that the government’s response will only aggravate the pathology.

Read more especially the readers comments.
 
I think the only way we are are going to solve the "home grown" terrorists is by appeasement, inclusion and community consultation:

who would object to the govt adopting all three measures and applying them to the majority of the population for a change?

Meanwhile start building departure cargo wharves in the capitals I reckon.
 
Tisme said:
I think the only way we are are going to solve the "home grown" terrorists is by appeasement, inclusion and community consultation:

who would object to the govt adopting all three measures and applying them to the majority of the population for a change?

Meanwhile start building departure cargo wharves in the capitals I reckon.
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Ah yes, appeasement worked out really well for Neville Chamberlain didn't it ?
:rolleyes:
 
SirRumpole said:
Ah yes, appeasement worked out really well for Neville Chamberlain didn't it ?
:rolleyes:
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Wrapping minorities in cotton wool is ridiculous, it just empowers the feeble minded among them.

I'm surprised they haven't resorted to comparing themselves to the oppression wrought against the blacks in deep south USA to advance their cause.:rolleyes:
 
Tisme said:
Wrapping minorities in cotton wool is ridiculous, it just empowers the feeble minded among them.

I'm surprised they haven't resorted to comparing themselves to the oppression wrought against the blacks in deep south USA to advance their cause.:rolleyes:
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That will come, don't worry, especially if some of them read this site.

:D
 
sptrawler said:
Where does this racist right wing nut case get off, telling muslims "if they don't like Australia, to leave".
It' a typical racist remark we have come to expect,.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/parramatt...-to-where-they-came-from-20151008-gk45x6.html

Oh it's one of them saying it, that's o.k.:xyxthumbs

Just don't think you Australians, can get away with saying it.:D
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The ethnic/minority community tend to be tougher and much more unforgiving than White people when "one of their own" commit any crime. Bring bad name to the entire community, cause harassment and discrimination on the innocent member of the community, and from what I hear from callers to the VNese radio on SBS, they're quite angered and feel the criminal betrays the entire community and the Australian community at large too.

Remember that Ngo guy who ordered the murder of John Newman MP [?]. I saw a plague in a memorial park in Cabramatta with his name defaced.
 
Any 'Border Force' Security workers seeing abuses they really think they should report, rather than be threatened into silence by a dystopian abuse of legalese.
Should read Julian Burnsides offer;

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...now-whats-happening-on-nauru-and-manus-island

There is a defence provided by section 48 of the Act. It provides that an entrusted person may disclose protected information if:
(a) the entrusted person reasonably believes that the disclosure is necessary to prevent or lessen a serious threat to the life or health of an individual; and

(b) the disclosure is for the purposes of preventing or lessening that threat.

And, just in case the legislation has the chilling effect which is apparently intended, I will repeat the open offer I have previously made: if any worker in the detention system is prosecuted under the Australian Border Force Act, and if their conduct appears to be protected by section 48, I will make sure they get the best pro bono defence ever seen in this country.

And never has Alan Jones looked so ashen as when Julian had him in the box grilling him on the payola of the undisclosed payments he accepted from banks whilst spruking their cause.
 
Looks like we have to hurt some children to save others from drowning:

Doctors at the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne are refusing to send back asylum seeker children to detention centres amid a showdown with the Immigration Department.

News Corp is reporting the doctors are concerned about the welfare of their dozens of patients and say it would be unethical to discharge them to unsafe conditions that could compromise their health.

Defying new federal laws threatening two years' jail for health workers who speak out against immigration detention centre conditions, more than 400 of the hospital's doctors stood together on Friday demanding children be released from detention.

"We see a whole range of physical, mental, emotional and social disturbances that are really severe and we have no hope of improving these things when we have to discharge our patients back into detention," one paediatrician told News Corp.

The outlet reported that it understood the issue was sparked by a month-long standoff between doctors and authorities over the release of a child with a range of health issues this year.

Staff have also been outraged at immigration guards placed at the entrances of some patients' rooms for 24 hours a day.

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton told News Corp he would not support a change in government policy.

"I understand the concern of doctors, but the Defence and Border Force staff on our vessels who were pulling dead kids out of the water don't want the boats to restart," he said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/r...-detention-20151010-gk63xm.html#ixzz3oDjAkbKh
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banco said:
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton told News Corp he would not support a change in government policy.

"I understand the concern of doctors, but the Defence and Border Force staff on our vessels who were pulling dead kids out of the water don't want the boats to restart," he said.
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He didn't really say that ...did he !!?


Of course there people out there that only pay lip service to the welfare of children. I've even worked with men who exhibit no paternal bent for their own, let alone value the well being of other children....they are the ones a good parent keeps at arms length from and out of earshot of their offspring.
 
I wonder why these people are so desperate to come to Australia over the rest of their native country people to the length that they risk death and restriction of movement. Maybe they were led to believe this is the quickest way. In this present world there have to be immigration rules and everyone must follow them as our ancestors did when they came to Australia.
 
On matters children in detention, Adam Bandt had a question to the PM in QT yesterday,

Mr BANDT ( Melbourne ) ( 14:30 ): My question is to the Prime Minister. Staff at the Royal Children's Hospital in my electorate have refused to discharge asylum seeker children because your government will lock them back up in detention centres where children are self-harming and becoming suicidal. No-one wants to see people drown at sea, but do you really believe that we cannot find a solution that does not involve locking up babies and children in mental illness factories? Prime Minister, will you accept that previous Labor and Liberal governments got it wrong, and will you release all children from detention?

Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth””Prime Minister) (14:31): I thank the honourable member for his question. I will respond to it with the gravity it deserves. But I would simply note this: the honourable member said 'nobody wants people to die at sea'. I accept that the honourable member does not. The simple fact””the melancholy truth””is that the policies that he and his party supported, and still support, have been proven to have that consequence. There is no doubt about that. This is not a question of theory; this is a question of fact. There was an experiment undertaken under the Labor government. Mr Rudd himself regretted it and sought to change it. The fact is it was done, it happened, it was a mistake, people died.

Nobody wants to have children in detention””not me, not any member of this House, not anyone, not any Australian. We have been working very hard to reduce those numbers. Under the Labor government, the number of children in detention peaked at almost 2,000. Under this government, those numbers have been dramatically reduced. There are currently, so I am advised, around 100 in Australia and somewhat fewer than that in Nauru. That work is continuing to be done. That is the goal.

Turning to questions of medical assistance, let me just make this point: if people require medical assistance, they will receive it. Whether it is on Nauru or in Australia, they will receive it. That is the government's commitment. If there is a complicated pregnancy or an assault where a person cannot be given appropriate medical attention on Nauru, they are brought back to Australia. That has been done consistently over a long period of time.

I say to the honourable member, and I say to all honourable members and to all Australians, we recognise that our border protection policy is tough; we recognise that many would see it as harsh. But it has been proven to be the only way to stop those deaths at sea and to ensure that our sovereignty and our borders are safe. This is not a theoretical exercise. I have to say to the honourable member: he should reflect very seriously on his own party's conscience on this vital matter.
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http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo...dr/1d38c79d-f3f8-401a-81d0-e364715774a5/0000"
 

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