Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[drsmith]

Picked up one just like that in New York for $12, imagine how miffed I was to see the exact same thing in Malaysia Chinatown MkII, for $9 ...I hate being ripped off.

Regardless of whether it's real or fake, it doesn't belong on the dock at Christmas Island as the product of its owner paying an illegal people smuggling syndicate for the boat trip to get there.

 

[Tisme]

Regardless of whether it's real or fake, it doesn't belong on the dock at Christmas Island as the product of its owner paying an illegal people smuggling syndicate for the boat trip to get there.

Might have a bom6 in it !!!

 

[drsmith]

Might have a bom6 in it !!!

If you still don't approve of the current government's policy mix to stop the boats which the opposition has now adopted to the point of accepting turn backs as a policy option, what would cut it on your prevention index ?

You've had plenty of time to think about it.

 

[sydboy007]

With regard to our humanitarian intake, what are you trying to justify with the above ?

Just highlighting that all immigration has a cost. That we don't seem to have a policy that says those already here should be better off from immigration, not imposed on by it with congestion, house price inflation, and generally lower standards of living.

I'd argue much of the $45B spent on upgrading the east coast electricity networks was due to rampant population growth. The need to build new roads and public transport is all due to rampant immigration.

Congestion lowers productivity. Land price inflation lowers productivity.

From Howard onwards they're all big Australia. When do we realise it's populate AND perish.

 

[noco]

I listened to a report on TV regarding the drowning of that 3 year toddler which the Greens mad so much ado about it all.

That toddlers father lived in Turkey and was employed there for 3 years....This guy received money from one of his relatives in Canada to get on a leaky boat.

How could he possibly be a refugee fleeing from persecution...They were quite safe in Turkey but wanted to go to Germany for economic reasons to get his teeth fixed under Germany's generous medical scheme.

I stand corrected if what I state is wrong.

 

[orr]

If you still don't approve of the current government's policy mix to stop the boats which the opposition has now adopted to the point of accepting turn backs as a policy option, what would cut it on your prevention index ?

You've had plenty of time to think about it.

Are the Opposition signed up to the active protection by cover up, of child abuse? Along with a $55 million scheme to relocate 4, count them 4, refos?

And that Louis Vuitton knock off, which you would have much preferred to of be found floating in the Aegean, was actually owned by the wife of a fella who did quite a bit of work for ' Jordanian Trucking Company' in the very early 2000's. A bit of 'chicken feed', so to speak, coming home to roost.

AWB kickbacks, Royal Commish anyone?

 

[drsmith]

Just highlighting that all immigration has a cost. That we don't seem to have a policy that says those already here should be better off from immigration, not imposed on by it with congestion, house price inflation, and generally lower standards of living.

I'd argue much of the $45B spent on upgrading the east coast electricity networks was due to rampant population growth. The need to build new roads and public transport is all due to rampant immigration.

Congestion lowers productivity. Land price inflation lowers productivity.

From Howard onwards they're all big Australia. When do we realise it's populate AND perish.

So your against immigration broadly on the basis of managing population growth ?

 

[drsmith]

Are the Opposition signed up to the active protection by cover up, of child abuse? Along with a $55 million scheme to relocate 4, count them 4, refos?

And that Louis Vuitton knock off, which you would have much preferred to of be found floating in the Aegean, was actually owned by the wife of a fella who did quite a bit of work for ' Jordanian Trucking Company' in the very early 2000's. A bit of 'chicken feed', so to speak, coming home to roost.

AWB kickbacks, Royal Commish anyone?

I don't want to see anyone drowning anywhere nor do I want to see people smugglers putting the lives of others at risk by plying their illegal activity. I also think it's wrong to encourage people to country shop through this illegal trade for economic reasons.

Take a look at what is actually happening in Europe with regard to boat arrivals. It's following a familiar path. The UNHCR has provided the following excellent summary.

http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html

 

[sydboy007]

So your against immigration broadly on the basis of managing population growth ?

Very much so. To argue against humanitarian immigration because of the cost, while supporting immigration via the A380 doesn't add up, since it too is very costly.

I'm not saying zero population growth, but I'd be much happier with something around 50K of long term arrivals a year, which is around one third the long term average.

 

[luutzu]

I don't want to see anyone drowning anywhere nor do I want to see people smugglers putting the lives of others at risk by plying their illegal activity. I also think it's wrong to encourage people to country shop through this illegal trade for economic reasons.

Take a look at what is actually happening in Europe with regard to boat arrivals. It's following a familiar path. The UNHCR has provided the following excellent summary.

http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html

You're missing the point.

if their country weren't bombed in the first place, they wouldn't be forced to flee.
Once forced to flee and restart their life again... if you were them, where would you prefer to flee to? Just get a few KMs away or go where there's a brighter and more secure future; go places where the chances of being bomb are very very low. Wouldn't you?

But of course you knew that... you just pretend you'd be more honest and more honourable.

 

[SirRumpole]

Very much so. To argue against humanitarian immigration because of the cost, while supporting immigration via the A380 doesn't add up, since it too is very costly.

I'm not saying zero population growth, but I'd be much happier with something around 50K of long term arrivals a year, which is around one third the long term average.

This government was so keen on a CBA for the NBN, I'd really like to see one on population growth.

 

[noco]

Beaucays to Tony Abbott over the refugee intake.....brick bats to Bill Shorten....He is still not happy....

Would anything make Shorten happy?


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29476336/praise-for-pm-over-refugee-announcement/

The federal government's decision to permanently resettle 12,000 refugees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq has been welcomed by their backers in Australia.

"It is an important first step and shows to the world that Australia is willing to support those who are in great need," said Refugee Council of Australia president Phil Glendenning.

Even the Greens gave Prime Minister Tony Abbott the thumbs-up.

"He has made a difference to the lives of 12,000 people," Greens leader Richard Di Natale told reporters in Canberra.

Amnesty International described the pledge as a positive demonstration of leadership.

"But there's no reason this number can't be increased to 20,000 people," its Australian refugee coordinator Graham Thom said.

Oxfam said it was a bold move in the right direction while praising the government's "u-turn" on taking more refugees.

Federal Labor welcomed the intake announcement, but leader Bill Shorten said the $44 million earmarked to support 240,000 people in refugee camps fell short of what was required.

He also said Australia should offer additional refugee places on a needs basis, without qualification or discrimination.

NSW Premier Mike Baird welcomed the federal government's "bold and generous decision" to resettle the refugees.

"People have united behind the simple idea that our boundless plains are here to be shared, especially with those that are in desperate need," he said.

Mr Baird told NSW Parliament his government is in "active talks" with the commonwealth about the details of the additional intake.

"I applaud this generous decision and reiterate that NSW is eager to do more than our fair share to assist the commonwealth," Mr Baird said during question time on Wednesday.

He had been in talks with other premiers about what the states could do to supplement the commonwealth's announcement of $44 million in financial aid for refugee agencies, he said.

 

[Tisme]

If you still don't approve of the current government's policy mix to stop the boats which the opposition has now adopted to the point of accepting turn backs as a policy option, what would cut it on your prevention index ?

You've had plenty of time to think about it.

You continue to be presumptive on a solution to a problem that you devised as requiring a dehumanising solution. It's not up to me to solve your dilemmas. Not all of us are binary thinkers and fellow sheep.

How'se the promotion of adult content to children going? "You've had plenty of time to think about it".

All of a sudden I'm reminded of that line in Happy Gilmore uttered by Shooter McGavin about what he eats for breakfast ....

 

[trainspotter]

Hollywood movies are considered gospell by training wheels.
And to use another of your quotes

Battle of Mogadishu - On October 3rd, 1993, 120 Delta Force Commandos and Army Rangers were dropped into the heart of Mogadishu, Somalia. Their mission was a fast daylight raid to kidnap lead terrorist Mohammed Farrah Aidid, who had been killing U.N. workers delivering food to starving Somalis. Aidid’s goal was to control the country by controlling all the food.

The U.S. raid went off with clockwork precision, until the unexpected happened. Two of the U.S. Black Hawk helicopters, the soldiers’ airlift out, were shot down. The mission abruptly changed to a rescue operation. Surrounded by Somali militia, a fierce firefight ensued that left American troops trapped and fighting for their lives. The ordeal left 18 American men dead, 70 wounded, with an estimated 3,000 Somalis casualties.

Bahahahahahaaaa

INDEED ! It was to evidence Plods supposition that America was not involved with Africa ... something about money Ralf .... Baaaahahhahahahaaaa

 

[trainspotter]

As the US were behind the change of regime in the Ukraine and as all becomes quiet on the plane shot down as evidence mounts that this new (not democratically elected) mob were behind the tragedy. Again it is to suppress Russia from supplying oil and gas.

Some even suggest that the drop in oil price was part of it too. However this is backfiring as Russia's production costs are still below recent lows and US fracking companies are against the wall.

Rolleyes back.

The money Ralf.

I am not sure as to where you are getting your information from but it is BS at it's finest. America and the EU sanctioned Russia because of it's involvement with the Ukraine and not the other way round

Go here and read about Russia and it's oil projects

1) http://www.strategyand.pwc.com/glob...ticle-display/capital-projects-oil-gas-russia

2) http://www.oilgas-events.com/market...l-and-gas-projects-to-watch-in-2015/801762176

3) http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...ussian-Partnership-Mean-For-World-Energy.html

Go here to read about Russia's involvement of the downing of MH17

1) http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/17/how-we-know-russia-shot-down-mh17.html

2) http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...blame-game-continues-over-who-shot-down-plane

3) http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...wreckage-of-mh17/story-fnizu68q-1227444676268

 

[drsmith]

You're missing the point.

if their country weren't bombed in the first place, they wouldn't be forced to flee.
Once forced to flee and restart their life again... if you were them, where would you prefer to flee to? Just get a few KMs away or go where there's a brighter and more secure future; go places where the chances of being bomb are very very low. Wouldn't you?

But of course you knew that... you just pretend you'd be more honest and more honourable.

Transit countries such as Greece and Indonesia are a few km away ?

People movement is determined by both push factors and pull factors. Push factors were Labor's first effort at denial when the boats started to come after softening the former Howard government's policy stance.

What is happening in Europe at the moment has a strong element of pull factors as it did in Australia under Labor. The example that Noco has highlighted illustrates this and the tragic consequences for that family.

 

[drsmith]

You continue to be presumptive on a solution to a problem that you devised as requiring a dehumanising solution. It's not up to me to solve your dilemmas. Not all of us are binary thinkers and fellow sheep.

How'se the promotion of adult content to children going? "You've had plenty of time to think about it".

All of a sudden I'm reminded of that line in Happy Gilmore uttered by Shooter McGavin about what he eats for breakfast ....

You're the one who doesn't like the current government's policies in stopping the boats.

What's your alternative beyond just complaining ?

 

[Macquack]

INDEED ! It was to evidence Plods supposition that America was not involved with Africa ... something about money Ralf .... Baaaahahhahahahaaaa

Lose the "Baaaahahhahahahaaaa", you big mouthed capitalist pig and failed property developer. Does "Voyager Homes" ring a bell?

Your "cut & paste" is of more merit than my "cut & paste".

Explod is a decent and objective community thinker, not like your self engrossing self.

I will buy explod's view any day above your crying poor retailer syndrome bull****.

 

[trainspotter]

Lose the "Baaaahahhahahahaaaa", you big mouthed capitalist pig and failed property developer. Does "Voyager Homes" ring a bell?

Your "cut & paste" is of more merit than my "cut & paste".

Explod is a decent and objective community thinker, not like your self engrossing self.

I will buy explod's view any day above your crying poor retailer syndrome bull****.

Bahahahhaahaaaha is that it Macquack? Bahahahhahahahaaa *gasp* hahahahahhaaaaa name calling at it's finest.

You can ring your own bell anytime you want Macquack and I am sure that is what you do best.

I never called explods integrity or character into question. He made specific statements that did not have a ring of truth to them. Meh ! Evidenced with FACTS.

I have often agreed with the plod on more than one occasion over many years of being a member of this forum.

Bahahahahhahaahaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Tisme]

Bahahahhaahaaaha is that it Macquack? Bahahahhahahahaaa *gasp* hahahahahhaaaaa name calling at it's finest.

You can ring your own bell anytime you want Macquack and I am sure that is what you do best.

I never called explods integrity or character into question. He made specific statements that did not have a ring of truth to them. Meh ! Evidenced with FACTS.

I have often agreed with the plod on more than one occasion over many years of being a member of this forum.

Bahahahahhahaahaaaaaaaaaaaa

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I take it you two are really cobbers?