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[trainspotter]

trainspotter.

Our interference comes back to the petrodollar.

There have over the decades been meny equal tragedies of people being decimated, in particular Africa and the treaties have not given a fig. Because they have no oil or gas to exploit.

It is simple really.

for you too Champ.

Ermmmm not quite old chum. You claimed the overthrow of Saddam Hussein caused the refugee crisis. WRONG.

You do remember that Saddam invaded Kuwait right? Is that not an act of war? The U.N. responded in kind.

Bleating about petrodollar is a red herring and you know it !

Africa not being given it's fair share of U.S. military interference? Have you not watched the movie "Black Hawk Down" ?

Click on this link to see how active the U.S. has been in Africa http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/04/15/the-uss-invasion-of-africa-that-nobody-knows-about/

Just stick to the quantifiable FACTS please.

 

[explod]

Ermmmm not quite old chum. You claimed the overthrow of Saddam Hussein caused the refugee crisis. WRONG.

You do remember that Saddam invaded Kuwait right? Is that not an act of war? The U.N. responded in kind.

Bleating about petrodollar is a red herring and you know it !

Africa not being given it's fair share of U.S. military interference? Have you not watched the movie "Black Hawk Down" ?

Click on this link to see how active the U.S. has been in Africa http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/04/15/the-uss-invasion-of-africa-that-nobody-knows-about/

Just stick to the quantifiable FACTS please.

Saddam was an absolute mongrel and tyrant. We all know, but when he began to truck oil north to Russia the cry of weapons of mass destruction sounded. All about the money Ralf.

 

[orr]

*GOSH*

Stop fooling yourself explod. You have an opinion that is totally distorted on BS and untruths. Post up some FACTS and not just your barstool barrister opines.

" No one alive today can be held personally accountable for that past"

Gosh alright... Your learning as we go here it appears spotter.

Just with regard the Shia in the South and kurds in the North, a detailed reportage of that era is well documented in Robert Fisks, superlative 'The Great War for Civilisation'. In the South the swamps were drained to destroy the ancient way of life of the people there because of the threat they posed at the end of the first gulf war when they were promised support from the US to rise up against Saddam, They were left to hang out to dry. It being obvious to the Pentagon that the Baathist were the only viable way of holding Iraq together. A fact ignored by the second Bush. The Kurds, regionally isolated and a minority group went under the jack boot as an example, Gassed with British supplied chemicals.

there's about 1200pg's worth of reading that'll help you with some back ground. feel free to open it at any page to test me on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_War_for_Civilisation

point 16 down the wiki entry ....Betrayal

 

[trainspotter]

Saddam was an absolute mongrel and tyrant. We all know, but when he began to truck oil north to Russia the cry of weapons of mass destruction sounded. All about the money Ralf.

Hence I revert back to my original statement about how Russia is backing Syria / ISIS and the U.S. is leading the coalition to overthrow the incumbent government led by President Bashar al-Assad.

In terms of origin, since 2012 by far the biggest national group has been those fleeing Syria. In 2014 Syrians made up 128,000 of the total asylum applicants – followed by 47,000 from Eritrea, 43,000 from Afghanistan, 38,000 from Kosovo, 31,000 from Serbia, then Pakistan, Iraq and Nigeria.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/everyth...-european-refugee-crisis-20150904-gjfqs9.html

Worth a read you might learn something

 

[trainspotter]

Gosh alright... Your learning as we go here it appears spotter.

Just with regard the Shia in the South and kurds in the North, a detailed reportage of that era is well documented in Robert Fisks, superlative 'The Great War for Civilisation'. In the South the swamps were drained to destroy the ancient way of life of the people there because of the threat they posed at the end of the first gulf war when they were promised support from the US to rise up against Saddam, They were left to hang out to dry. It being obvious to the Pentagon that the Baathist were the only viable way of holding Iraq together. A fact ignored by the second Bush. The Kurds, regionally isolated and a minority group went under the jack boot as an example, Gassed with British supplied chemicals.

there's about 1200pg's worth of reading that'll help you with some back ground. feel free to open it at any page to test me on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_War_for_Civilisation

point 16 down the wiki entry ....Betrayal

Baahahahaaa .... seriously orr? You are defending the indefensible. Back on topic please. Abbott has sent Peter Dutton to see if Australia can lend a hand to the EU crisis. Now this will be a slapstick moment I am sure !

http://www.news.com.au/national/pri...n-refugee-influx/story-fncynjr2-1227515809851

 

[McLovin]

I assume you mean by plane

No, I mean by boat. The MO is too find the closest Australian territory inside the migration zone then notify the Navy/Border Force/Facebook of your presence. An illegal immigrant avoids the authorities. What happens along the US/Mexico border is illegal immigration. We would have a big problem if people started reaching the mainland and then dispersing.

 

[sydboy007]

Baahahahaaa .... seriously orr? You are defending the indefensible. Back on topic please. Abbott has sent Peter Dutton to see if Australia can lend a hand to the EU crisis. Now this will be a slapstick moment I am sure !

http://www.news.com.au/national/pri...n-refugee-influx/story-fncynjr2-1227515809851

Hopefully he has some staff going with him. I hate for him to get lost on the way.

I rarely agree with Paul Sheehan, but his article in the SMH today made sense to me.

i think you'd find a decent level of support in increasing the refugee intake of Christian Syrians. I loathe the idea of religious discrimination, but if it's a choice of doing that and helping more people, or not, then I'll choose the slightly least bad option that benefits the most people.

 

[SirRumpole]

Hopefully he has some staff going with him. I hate for him to get lost on the way.

I rarely agree with Paul Sheehan, but his article in the SMH today made sense to me.

i think you'd find a decent level of support in increasing the refugee intake of Christian Syrians. I loathe the idea of religious discrimination, but if it's a choice of doing that and helping more people, or not, then I'll choose the slightly least bad option that benefits the most people.

Well, in a Muslim controlled area, "Christians" are more likely to be persecuted.

What about people who don't profess any religion ? They are probably the second most likely to be persecuted as some would say "you are either Muslims or you are our enemy".

Proof of religion may be difficult to obtain if they go down that path. People have been known to lie about their religion to just get out of the place.

 

[explod]

Hence I revert back to my original statement about how Russia is backing Syria / ISIS and the U.S. is leading the coalition to overthrow the incumbent government led by President Bashar al-Assad.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/everyth...-european-refugee-crisis-20150904-gjfqs9.html

Worth a read you might learn something

As the US were behind the change of regime in the Ukraine and as all becomes quiet on the plane shot down as evidence mounts that this new (not democratically elected) mob were behind the tragedy. Again it is to suppress Russia from supplying oil and gas.

Some even suggest that the drop in oil price was part of it too. However this is backfiring as Russia's production costs are still below recent lows and US fracking companies are against the wall.

Rolleyes back.

The money Ralf.

 

[Tisme]

Your post .

Rather interesting how the number of unauthorised arrivals by plane continues to be high,

By boat : 2014 =160 people, 2015 = 4 people
By plane : 2014 - 3121 people

You clearly stated unauthorized arrivals....All plane arrivals must be authorized....They cannot enter through immigration and customs without a passport and a visa and their luggage is checked for drugs.

I don't know if you have ever watched e.g. Border Patrol and witnessed the unauthorised arrivals?

Look it's pretty obvious you are just arguing for the sake of arguing ... you aren't articulating anything that makes sense.

In this instance you should maybe take the time to learn how people are attempting to enter and give your LNP dogma a rest.... you'll never be as right wing as I am.

 

[noco]

I don't know if you have ever watched e.g. Border Patrol and witnessed the unauthorised arrivals?

Look it's pretty obvious you are just arguing for the sake of arguing ... you aren't articulating anything that makes sense.

In this instance you should maybe take the time to learn how people are attempting to enter and give your LNP dogma a rest.... you'll never be as right wing as I am.

What was all the rhetoric about?

Normally those sort of tactics you have adopted in this case, indicates you have been beaten into submission and that you do not have the answers but you would rather try to belittle the discussion...Argue for the sake of arguing??????.....I thought this was what this ASF was all about.

If you don't have the answers it is always better not to say anything.

Sometimes we win and some times we lose.....I like to be on the winning side.

 

[luutzu]

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Sometimes we win and some times we lose.....I like to be on the winning side.

You must also like taking on the impossible too noco. Labor probably just gave you 10,000 extra reasons to not vote for them, but still you're only one vote and the way the economy is going, Abbott will need another 10 million votes to stay in office.

 

[DB008]

Refugee crisis in Europe: ‘Something fishy’ among migrant flood as discarded ID papers appear​

A PAKISTANI identity card in the bushes, a Bangladeshi one in a cornfield. A torn Iraqi driver’s license bearing the photo of a man with a Saddam-style moustache, another one with a scarfed woman displaying a shy smile.
Documents scattered only metres from Serbia’s border with Hungary provide evidence that many of the migrants flooding Europe to escape war or poverty are scrapping their true nationalities and likely assuming new ones, just as they enter the European Union.

Many of those travellers believe that using a fake document ”” or having none at all ”” gives them a better of chance of receiving asylum in Germany and other western European states. That’s because the surest route to asylum is to be a refugee from war and not an economic migrant fleeing poverty. That fact has led to a huge influx of people claiming to be Syrian.

Serbian border police say that 90 per cent of those arriving from Macedonia, some 3,000 a day, claim they are Syrian, although they have no documents to prove it. The so-called Balkan corridor for the migrant flight starts in Turkey, then goes through Macedonia and Serbia before entering the European Union in Hungary.

“You can see that something is fishy when most of those who cross into Serbia enter January first as the date of their birth,” said border police officer Miroslav Jovic. “Guess that’s the first date that comes to their mind.”

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/refugee-crisis-in-europe-something-fishy-among-migrant-flood-as-discarded-id-papers-appear/story-fnh81p7g-1227515922792​

 

[DB008]

ISIS SMUGGLER: 'WE WILL USE REFUGEE CRISIS TO INFILTRATE WEST'​

As the migrant-train standoff entered its second day in Hungary, with thousands of mostly Syrian refugees seeking passage to Germany, it’s time the West recognized this shift in Muslim populations for what it is, say American activists who have been warning of a “fifth column” for years.

Author Robert Spencer wrote Sept. 4 in Front Page Magazine, “This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis.’ This is a hijrah.”

Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad.

“To emigrate in the cause of Allah – that is, to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there, is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act,” Spencer wrote. He cited the following Quranic text:

“And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many locations and abundance,” says the Quran.

“And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him, his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful” (Quran 4:100).

And now, looking at Europe and America, a migration invasion of a much greater magnitude is underway.

Evidence of that invasion came in February when an ISIS operative confirmed what many already suspected – the Islamic State is using the refugee crisis to form a fifth column of Muslim fighters inside Western nations.

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 trained ISIS gunmen have already been smuggled into Europe – hidden among innocent refugees, reported the Express, a British newspaper.

Hungary’s prime minister, Victor Orban, was lampooned in the European media Thursday for writing an op-ed in which he stated Hungary was blocking the Muslim migrants to preserve its Christian heritage.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/?source=​

 

[Macquack]

Stop fooling yourself explod. You have an opinion that is totally distorted on BS and untruths. Post up some FACTS and not just your barstool barrister opines.

Africa not being given it's fair share of U.S. military interference? Have you not watched the movie "Black Hawk Down" ?

Just stick to the quantifiable FACTS please

Hollywood movies are considered gospell by training wheels.
And to use another of your quotes

Baahahahaaa

 

[drsmith]

On the goings on in Europe, an interesting post by Michael Smith.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...eeking-grateful-model-citizens-pigs-****.html

EDIT:

the link doesn't get past the internal forum language checker.

We all know though what 4-letter word comes after pigs.

A minority perhaps, but they do themselves no favours.

 

[noco]

ISIS SMUGGLER: 'WE WILL USE REFUGEE CRISIS TO INFILTRATE WEST'​

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/?source=​

I have been harping on this for years how that Muslims movement were infiltrating the Western World to develop world domination....I was even reprimanded by the moderators for using the world "INFILTRATION".

It is a world wide plot to create havoc and financial strain on the Western economy.....The intimidation and persecution by Islamic radicals is their modus operandi to force people to seek refuge in the Western world with full knowledge that they are are Muslims and will set up their own ghettos, mosques and schools as they have done in the UK.....They have virtually taken over whole towns and gaining strength every day.

This is all happening under the noses of the useless United Nations who sit back and turn a blind eye to it all as they, the UN, also want world government and may well be working hand in glove with what is going on....That Ban-Ki-Moon is a confessed and well known Greenie and I would not put anything passed him.....Greenies are really communists in sheep's clothing and it has recently been established that Communism and Islam are sympathetic to each other.

I am so pleased I am now in my twilight years and have lived in the era I have, but I fear for my children, my grand children and my great grand children

 

[luutzu]

I have been harping on this for years how that Muslims movement were infiltrating the Western World to develop world domination....I was even reprimanded by the moderators for using the world "INFILTRATION".

It is a world wide plot to create havoc and financial strain on the Western economy.....The intimidation and persecution by Islamic radicals is their modus operandi to force people to seek refuge in the Western world with full knowledge that they are are Muslims and will set up their own ghettos, mosques and schools as they have done in the UK.....They have virtually taken over whole towns and gaining strength every day.

This is all happening under the noses of the useless United Nations who sit back and turn a blind eye to it all as they, the UN, also want world government and may well be working hand in glove with what is going on....That Ban-Ki-Moon is a confessed and well known Greenie and I would not put anything passed him.....Greenies are really communists in sheep's clothing and it has recently been established that Communism and Islam are sympathetic to each other.

I am so pleased I am now in my twilight years and have lived in the era I have, but I fear for my children, my grand children and my great grand children

Yes, I too fear for your children and grandchildren

Sorry... that was a cheap shot. But in a way, I do.

 

[qldfrog]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/everyth...-european-refugee-crisis-20150904-gjfqs9.html

trainspotter,
the figures quoted there are drastically different from the ones I got [and quoted previously] where less than 20% of 2015 refugees applications were syrians.
As my figure comes come from the official records, are 2015 and published by a very left wing newspaper, I tend to trust them more than the figure quoted there:
a simple non biaised view at the columns filmed will also, if not reliably, show a majority of non arab types (but yes True I am sure you will find black, indian or blond blue eyes syrians and in the sweet lollipop world of some, races do not exists so how do I dare....

that is for the eastern arrivals, no syrian in the boats off Libya
My point all along is that we are witnessing an 80/20 economic migration,
yes some are refugees and should deserve the respect and help expected but the mass of the invasion is a culture et economy destroying economic migration,
60% of Swedish welfare goes to migrants currently.Imagine the figures at the end of the year for these high taxing countries and the bloodbath ahead in the coming years.no nice ending there
another 5 billions to go....

 

[Tisme]

. Abbott has sent Peter Dutton to see if Australia can lend a hand to the EU crisis. Now this will be a slapstick moment I am sure !

Like sending Simple Jack (Tropic Thunder Movie) to a Mensa convention.