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[Calliope]

There wouldn't be one of orr's 202 bleeding hearts that didn't vote Labor or Green and the same goes for Muslim illegal immigrants. The open door policy the bleeding hearts advocate is a political manoeuvre to raise the Muslim vote to the tipping point where Federal Liberal seats pass to Labor.

J'accuse orr's 202 hypocrites of not giving a stuff abouf the welfare of the illegal's children or deaths at sea. Like Hamas they are just using children as a political weapon.

 

[dutchie]

It really is time for Australia to restrict its immigration.
We cannot afford to wait for a lethal attack before acting.

We’ll fight radical Islam for 100 years, says ex-army head Peter Leahy

The Australian
August 09, 2014 12:00AM

Brendan Nicholson
Defence Editor

AUSTRALIA needs to prepare for an increasingly savage, 100-year war against radical Islam that will be fought on home soil as well as foreign lands, the former head of the army, Peter Leahy, has warned.

Professor Leahy, a leading defence and strategic analyst, told The Weekend Australian the country was ill-prepared for the high cost of fighting a war that would be paid in “blood and treasure” and would require pre-emptive as well as reactive action.

“Australia is involved in the early stages of a war which is likely to last for the rest of the century,” he said. “We must be ready to protect ourselves and, where necessary, act pre-emptively to neutralise the evident threat. Get ready for a long war.”

Senior intelligence officials have moved to shore up public support for the Abbott government’s tough new security laws, including enhanced data-retention capabilities enabling agencies to track suspect computer usage.

Australian Security Intelligence Organisation director-general David Irvine said the proposed data laws, which require phone and internet companies to retain records for two years, were “absolutely crucial” to counter the jihadist terror threat.

More: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...018630297?nk=68eca8c059d3239177be0049fb2cac66

 

[Julia]

Click the link for the signatories; a lot of Doctors in this list with real qualifications....as opposed to quacks.

Where is their concern for the hundreds of thousands who have been waiting to come here, already proven genuine refugees, still mired in refugee camps for so many years? By providing sufficient deterrent to the people wealthy enough to pay people smugglers, those with more genuine need will receive the support they deserve.

Okay, 200 of the usual suspects; what about the other 23 million Australians?

Yes, just so.

It really is time for Australia to restrict its immigration.
We cannot afford to wait for a lethal attack before acting.

Yet, as has been shown on other threads on this forum, any risk of jihadist attacks on Australian soil seems to be dismissed as very unlikely . The hatred by fanatical muslims for the infidel has been made clear enough. Probably only the eventual failure of intelligence agencies to foil a plan will wake people up.

 

[SirRumpole]

Massive migration fraud a greater threat than boat people ?

If you don't think so , read this

Terror touches down: visa fraud, migration crime ‘rampant,’ Immigration Department files reveal

"Rampant visa fraud and migration crime involving people flying into Australia are going unchecked while the government focuses on stopping boats, according to secret government files detailing entrenched Immigration Department failings.

Hundreds of pages of leaked confidential departmental documents obtained by Fairfax Media reveal that Australia's national security is being compromised by wide-scale visa rorting and migration rackets operating with impunity, including some with links to terrorism or organised crime.

The confidential Immigration Department files reveal repeated internal warnings over several years that widespread visa fraud is "business as usual yet remains largely untreated" because the department's investigation and enforcement capacity has collapsed."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...iles-reveal-20140806-3d8wj.html#ixzz39sfXQ5D7


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...iles-reveal-20140806-3d8wj.html#ixzz39sfIBnV6

 

[noco]

Massive migration fraud a greater threat than boat people ?

If you don't think so , read this

Rumpy, is it any wonder it was allowed to happen under the previous Government.......They slashed millions of dollars from the AFP budget which in turn reduced their power of control over who came into the country.....the AFP virtually became ineffective.

In the past few months the Coalition have strengthened the resources for the AFP in which case we will now see some action to stop the rort in co-ordination with the Immigration Department.

 

[SirRumpole]

In the past few months the Coalition have strengthened the resources for the AFP in which case we will now see some action to stop the rort in co-ordination with the Immigration Department.

I should jolly well hope so, but I suggest that this thread is now irrelevant as the boat people seem to have stopped and we should start another one about legal migration rorts and keep an eye on how the government tackles that problem.

 

[noco]

I should jolly well hope so, but I suggest that this thread is now irrelevant as the boat people seem to have stopped and we should start another one about legal migration rorts and keep an eye on how the government tackles that problem.

I disagree with you...the thread is still relevant......it does not just refer to boat people...no need for another thread as Joe has pointed out.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I should jolly well hope so, but I suggest that this thread is now irrelevant as the boat people seem to have stopped and we should start another one about legal migration rorts and keep an eye on how the government tackles that problem.

I doubt it , your excellency.

Inevitably the ALP will at some stage in the future regain government, and their first action will be to encourage the boats again.

Legal rorts need to be examined, been going on for over 200 years

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

I disagree with you...the thread is still relevant......it does not just refer to boat people...no need for another thread as Joe has pointed out.

Where did Joe point what out ?

The thread is "Asylum" Immigrants. The point is that most of the people mentioned in the SMH article I quoted are not seeking asylum, they come here on visas.

Perhaps Joe can speak for himself.

 

[SirRumpole]

Inevitably the ALP will at some stage in the future regain government

Maybe sooner than some may hope


But if they aren't hobbled by the Greens I think Labor has learned the lesson. Manus Island was their policy, and they didn't close down Nauru.

 

[noco]

Where did Joe point what out ?

The thread is "Asylum" Immigrants. The point is that most of the people mentioned in the SMH article I quoted are not seeking asylum, they come here on visas.

Perhaps Joe can speak for himself.

Joe has spoken.....you will note it appears at the top of General Chat when you connect....It has been there since you became a member and for all to see.



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[SirRumpole]

Joe has spoken.....you will note it appears at the top of General Chat when you connect....It has been there since you became a member and for all to see.

Well, if you are saying that another thread on visa rorts is too similar to one on "Asylum Immigrants", I don't agree, but I'll keep posting on this thread just to keep you happy.

 

[SirRumpole]

Visa fraud suspects fled after wiring $1m overseas

A corrupt Immigration Department official and her husband helped run a $3 million criminal migration racket involving more than 1000 fraudulent visa applications.

Fairfax Media can reveal that Reetika Ajjan and her husband, Jeetender, were able to flee Australia three days after immigration and federal agents raided their home in October 2011 – having wired more than $1 million to overseas bank accounts in 48 hours. Investigators had failed to take basic measures to stop them from leaving the country.

Last month, Fairfax Media tracked down Ms Ajjan living openly in Delhi, but she declined to answer questions about her role in dealing with the proceeds of crime or supplying sensitive government information and equipment to the illegal migration operation. The operation was run by Mr Ajjan and a federal-government-licensed migration agent, Mahimn Sodhani.

Fairfax Media can also reveal: The federal government has issued new licences in the past six months to migration agents previously identified by the Immigration Department as having bribed employers to obtain fake work references for visa applicants.

The department failed to investigate evidence of entrenched migration fraud involving 457 skilled worker visas and some of Australia's biggest infrastructure and mining projects.

The fraud involves a large multinational contractor, Murphy Pipe & Civil, which has worked on the Queensland Curtis liquefied natural gas project and Western Australia's Sino Iron project.

Leaked confidential company documents, along with statements from sources with detailed knowledge of the company's internal workings, have revealed how it has sponsored many Irish workers as ''project administrators'' or in other skilled roles, but employed them as labourers, machine operators and storemen.

broken borders

Despite being tipped off last year, the Immigration Department failed to thoroughly investigate the company or interview a key whistleblower.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...1m-overseas-20140807-3dbmu.html#ixzz39tld6R3F

 

[Joe Blow]

Just briefly on the issue of keeping threads on topic:

This thread should be about asylum immigration as much as possible. Threads that drift too far off topic tend to lose their focus and relevance.

There are a number of other threads on immigration that anyone is welcome to revive if they wish to discuss other aspects of immigration to Australia.

Immigration stupidity?
Cut in Immigration?
Skilled Immigration Changes
Immigration versus Culture Retention
Our Immigration standards?

 

[noco]

Visa fraud suspects fled after wiring $1m overseas




Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...1m-overseas-20140807-3dbmu.html#ixzz39tld6R3F

Perhaps these fraudsters were being protected by a corrupt Government official or even the Immigration Minister....like money in brown paper bags.


Mr Morrison said the ''serious allegations'' revealed by Fairfax Media had occurred under the previous Labor government, while stressing that the integrity of Australia's visa and migration programs was ''incredibly important''.

The fresh revelations are likely to increase pressure on the Immigration Department and force the government to consider placing it under the jurisdiction of the national corruption watchdog, the Australian Commission for Law Enforcement Integrity.

In an extraordinary twist, the department's latest annual report cites its role in uncovering the migration racket linked to Ms Ajjan to highlight its success in combating migration crime.

But the annual report omits any mention of the role of its own official in what is described as among the ''the most sophisticated cases of organised migration fraud'' ever detected by the department.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...1m-overseas-20140807-3dbmu.html#ixzz39vqfmIUL

 

[noco]

Well, if you are saying that another thread on visa rorts is too similar to one on "Asylum Immigrants", I don't agree, but I'll keep posting on this thread just to keep you happy.

Rumpy, it is not a case of making me happy because I am already happy.

As you are a relatively new member of ASF, I thought it was my duty to point out what was obvious to all and it has been there since the 12th June 2005.

You can be forgiven if you did not notice it.. so please do not feel embarrassed about...we all make mistakes.

 

[noco]

Maybe sooner than some may hope


But if they aren't hobbled by the Greens I think Labor has learned the lesson. Manus Island was their policy, and they didn't close down Nauru.

So you are insisting Manus Island was Labor's policy? The only addition was the threat of those illegals being settled in PNG which I have pointed out in the past would never work due to the PNG culture.

Excuse me, but it was the Howard Governments original policy which Labor dismantled and then Labor resurrected it after being dragged kicking and screaming.......Rudd, after stuffing things up in 2008 decided discretion was the better part of valor and could see the political advantage in saving some of Labor's furniture at the 2013 election and that is the only reason he proceeded with it.

 

[IFocus]

If we take the definition of torture to be the deliberate harming of people in order to coerce them into a desired outcome, I think it does fulfil that definition. It has characteristics which over time reliably cause harm to people’s mental health. We have very clear evidence that that’s the case.”

Dr Peter Young, a former chief psychiatrist to Australia’s detention centres, describing the government’s treatment of asylum seekers as akin to torture.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/coach...oots-again-20140808-101v5q.html#ixzz39w0SaRSl

 

[SirRumpole]

Rumpy, it is not a case of making me happy because I am already happy.

As you are a relatively new member of ASF, I thought it was my duty to point out what was obvious to all and it has been there since the 12th June 2005.

You can be forgiven if you did not notice it.. so please do not feel embarrassed about...we all make mistakes.

noco, I appreciate your effort, thank you.

Following Joe's advice I have posted the two visa rort posts in the "Immigration Stupidity" thread

 

[drsmith]

Refugee resettlement deal with Cambodia imminent,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-asylum-seekers-imminent-20140810-102ht3.html
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/deal-refugees-expected-very-soon