Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[noco]

Good move by the government to move those 157 from Curtain to Nauru unannounced otherwise we would have had SHY with a rent a crowd demonstrating at the Curtain detention center or out side Parliament house.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...exposed_tamils_refuse_indian_offer_of_asylum/

 

[noco]

Good move by the government to move those 157 from Curtain to Nauru unannounced otherwise we would have had SHY with a rent a crowd demonstrating at the Curtain detention center or out side Parliament house.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...exposed_tamils_refuse_indian_offer_of_asylum/

The Green/Labor left wing socialist lawyer goons have been outsmarted and SHY and Marles are furious.

George Newhouse was a Labor candidate and he will do and say anything in attempt to embarrass the government....these ba$xxxs want the boats to start flowing again to prove a political point that the Government has failed with OSB.....What a sad lot they are!!!!


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...awyers-knowledge/story-fn9hm1gu-1227011106802

 

[noco]

What is the Green/Labor coalition really up to with all this legal action to assist asylum seekers?

It is about time the Green /Labor Party came clean on what their intentions are..

Who is paying for the high court action and legal costs?

There is no doubt the Green/Labor comrades are hell bent on opening the flood gates to the people smugglers and more children drowning at sea.

And it is all in the name of scoring political points.

Please read the public comments.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...asylum-goalposts/story-fn9hm1gu-1227012198349

 

[drsmith]

Good move by the government to move those 157 from Curtain to Nauru unannounced otherwise we would have had SHY with a rent a crowd demonstrating at the Curtain detention center or out side Parliament house.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...exposed_tamils_refuse_indian_offer_of_asylum/

It's now official that 159 IMA's have been transferred to Department of Immigration and Border Protection authorities so far this year.

It appears now that OSB is updating these stats monthly.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/channels/operational-updates/releases

Also of interest, 62 IMA transferees were voluntarily returned to their country of origin after electing to go home from an offshore processing centre so these numbers are starting to grow.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...s/joint-agency-task-force-monthly-update-july

 

[orr]

Scott Morrison like a fibre of asbestos lodged in the lungs of 'Team Australia' . The following is the Metastasis. And Therapy.



J’Accuse
We, the undersigned, accuse the current Federal Government and both major political parties of wilfully and deliberately:
1. Pursuing a policy of detention for asylum-seekers, both adults and children, in spite of clear evidence that it causes psychiatric disorders, self-harm and suicide; i
2. Implementing an inhumane policy of deterrence which requires damaging some to deter others and uses the lives of vulnerable people, the vast majority of whom are found to be refugees, as a means to a political end;
3. Contravening child protection policy and children’s rights, by continuing to detain children as a first resort when such detention should be a matter of last resort, for the shortest possible time, and subject to independent review; and by detaining children & unaccompanied minors offshore in isolated detention facilities, exposing them to violence, trauma and to poor medical and psycho-social care, with no access to independent monitoring.
4. Acting against the spirit and intent of UN Conventions and Treaties to which Australia is signatory; ii
5. Engaging in forced deportations to situations of danger with confirmed fatal outcomesiii;
6. Persuading the public that cruelty to people who arrive by boat is justifiable on the false pretext that they are ‘illegal’, when in truth they have broken no law by coming to Australia and seeking asylum;
7. Exploiting community ignorance about asylum-seekers’ needs and circumstances;
8. Tolerating and/or encouraging racist media coverage (rather than educating and promoting public deliberation, as with closely related issues such as people with mental illness);
9. Cynically negotiating with poor, weakly governed countries (Nauru/ PNG/Cambodia) to house refugees in circumstances that leave them unsafe;
10. Wasting vast public funds on off shore incarceration which could be spent on humane and efficient processing of claims and crucial social services, while ignoring viable alternative models, potentially at much less cost;
11. Pursuing an arbitrary and unjust refugee determination process which is engineered for failure at each step, aims to prevent protection claims, fails to place all asylum-seekers on an equal footing under Australian law, and pits humanitarian and asylum-seeker refugees against each other by reducing the former to accommodate the latter;
12. Acting against Australia’s health, mental health and well-being policies and ignoring expert advice regarding the implementation of programs to identify and provide psychological support for those at greatest need;
13. Ignoring the long-term harms of such policies to asylum-seekers, and the damage to the social fabric of Australia through promoting the acceptability of an insular, more selfish and less ethical society.
We demand that the government
● Abandon and dismantle its mandatory detention policy and ‘offshore solution’ for asylum-seekers,
● Cap detention at a maximum of 30 days, unless a court orders a longer period of detention for good cause shown, and
● Adopt alternative solutions consistent with obligations under the Refugee Convention.
iSilove D, Austin P, Steel Z. No refuge from terror: the impact of detention on the mental health of trauma-affected refugees seeking asylum in Australia. Transcultural Psychiatry. 2007: 44(3): 359 -93
Coffey GJ, Kaplan I, Sampson RC, Tucci MM. The meaning and mental health consequences of long-term immigration detention for people seeking asylum. Social Science and Medicine. 2010: 70(12): 2070-9.
iithe Convention on Civil and Political Rights (regarding arbitrary detention), the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the Convention against Torture, and the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities (as demonstrated Through inspections and reports by various UN committees)
iii Phil Glendinning and the Edmund Rice Centre, ongoing research and personal communication; also Deported to Danger (Edmund Rice Centre, 2004), Deported to Danger II (Edmund Rice Centre, 2006), and A Well-Founded Fear (SBS TV, 19/11/08)


Click the link for the signatories; a lot of Doctors in this list with real qualifications....as opposed to quacks.

https://d68ej2dhhub09.cloudfront.net/829-J'accuse_signatories.pdf

 

[Calliope]

Okay, 200 of the usual suspects; what about the other 23 million Australians?

 

[drsmith]

Click the link for the signatories; a lot of Doctors in this list with real qualifications....as opposed to quacks.

What about the deaths at sea ?

Their moral high ground is hollow.

As I have said many times in the past, immigration should never be in the hands of illegal people smuggling operations that have no regard for the consequences for either the asylum seekers or the target country.

 

[dutchie]

Click the link for the signatories; a lot of Doctors in this list with real qualifications....as opposed to quacks.

https://d68ej2dhhub09.cloudfront.net/829-J'accuse_signatories.pdf

My question to these signatories is - how many should we let in each year?

 

[Purple XS2]

My question to these signatories is - how many should we let in each year?

I can't say what the signatories would answer to that, but for many of the open-door advocates the answer is:

as many millions as it takes to dilute the anglo-Australian proportion of the population to the point of irrelevance.

The Green party for example, despises the Australian mainstream and supports anything and I mean anything that would steer national culture further away from it.

And that's my conclusion from the inside, not the outside.

 

[IFocus]

Why do you guys keep dodging the question?

Are Australian governments required to follow the law?

If the laws don't work then change them i.e. make torture of boat people legal.

See simple, hiding behind previous incumbents follies to defend the indefensible treatment of children etc is degrading your own credibility.................massively.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Why do you guys keep dodging the question?

Are Australian governments required to follow the law?

If the laws don't work then change them i.e. make torture of boat people legal.

See simple, hiding behind previous incumbents follies to defend the indefensible treatment of children etc is degrading your own credibility.................massively.

There is an even bigger question dodged repeatedly by the Greens and advocates of an open door policy.

What is the upper limit the Greens would put on the number of refugees allowed entry to Australia per annum?

This has never ever been answered, though repeatedly asked.

gg

 

[drsmith]

IF,

After all the time you've spent in this thread criticising this government's policies from when they were in opposition (while boat arrivals under Labor reached 1,000 per week and with over 1,000 deaths at sea) and since they've been in government (largely stopping the boats), what's your solution ?

Of specific interest is how you would stop illegal people smuggling from that hollow high moral ground from which you like to preach

 

[orr]

What about the deaths at sea ?

Their moral high ground is hollow.

The easiest way to diagnose a Quack from a Doctor, is that the Quack will treat the symptoms and the Doctor will treat the Disease.
The Quack's efforts will in some cases disguise the underlying disease. Much 'Whoo Harr' and excitement will surround the 'miracle cure' whilst the disease steadily eats into the patient destroying healthy tissue. Medical science has come along way but Quacks are still numerous pedalling to the unworldly, the ill-informed and superficial their poisons dressed up as 'miracle cures'. The damage; sometimes reversible, sometimes not...but to fix, aways, always at much greater cost.

Scott Morrison...Stool softener to the Polyps?

 

[drsmith]

The easiest way to diagnose a Quack from a Doctor, is that the Quack will treat the symptoms and the Doctor will treat the Disease.

What then do you regard as the disease ?

 

[IFocus]

There is an even bigger question dodged repeatedly by the Greens and advocates of an open door policy.

What is the upper limit the Greens would put on the number of refugees allowed entry to Australia per annum?

This has never ever been answered, though repeatedly asked.

gg

Completely agree but the Greens are not the government and are not calling the shots.

 

[noco]

There is an even bigger question dodged repeatedly by the Greens and advocates of an open door policy.

What is the upper limit the Greens would put on the number of refugees allowed entry to Australia per annum?

This has never ever been answered, though repeatedly asked.

gg

GG, the Green/Labor left wing socialist Fabians opened the flood gates to the illegals to create hatred and division in the community......that is their modus operandi...it is in their books of rules.

 

[drsmith]

Completely agree but the Greens are not the government and are not calling the shots.

Thank goodness although they are still very much trying to.

When they were calling the shots under the Gillard government, boat arrivals as noted above reached 1,000 per week and there of course those accidents, those tragedies at sea as the Greens resident child senator described them. Clearly a lesser of two evils in her view.

With boat arrival numbers substantially reduced, the need for detention will also be substantially reduced with time as happened under the Howard government. In other words, in time, the Greens will largely get their way on the specific issue of detention although obviously not on the ideology where they only shed crocodile tears in relation to human suffering.

 

[IFocus]

IF,

After all the time you've spent in this thread criticising this government's policies from when they were in opposition (while boat arrivals under Labor reached 1,000 per week and with over 1,000 deaths at sea) and since they've been in government (largely stopping the boats), what's your solution ?

Of specific interest is how you would stop illegal people smuggling from that hollow high moral ground from which you like to preach

I criticised Abbott because of his hypocrisy in opposition, there is no denying Rudd opened the door and reignited the problem Bowen tried to legislate a solution Hockey stood up in the house shedding tears about what would happen to children.

I am not on a Labor good Coalition bad on this point just Abbott is a tosser

There is no hollow high moral ground in asking a simple question should a government follow its own laws?

If it is a requirement then they should legislate torture of boat people as a deterrent.

That is what you are supporting currently cheering on its all good because its stopping the boats.

Means to an ends great put it in law.

 

[IFocus]

Thank goodness although they are still very much trying to.

When they were calling the shots under the Gillard government, boat arrivals as noted above reached 1,000 per week and there of course those accidents, those tragedies at sea as the Greens resident child senator described them. Clearly a lesser of two evils in her view.

With boat arrival numbers substantially reduced, the need for detention will also be substantially reduced with time as happened under the Howard government. In other words, in time, the Greens will largely get their way on the specific issue of detention although obviously not on the ideology where they only shed crocodile tears in relation to human suffering.

See my post above Hockey takes 1st prize for crocodile tears his position is an epic fail I think the Greens genuinely believe you should welcome all refugees

 

[drsmith]

I think the Greens genuinely believe you should welcome all refugees

That's right IF.

Open borders and they don't care how many drown in order to achieve that objective.

I criticised Abbott because of his hypocrisy in opposition, there is no denying Rudd opened the door and reignited the problem Bowen tried to legislate a solution Hockey stood up in the house shedding tears about what would happen to children.

I'm still curious as to your solution. Is it open borders Greens style or is it Labor's Malaysia solution or is it something else that occupies the space in between ?