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[drsmith]

A bulldog jaw and solemn warnings – but India calls the shots on Morrison

Delhi has succeeded where the courts and opposition have failed by forcing the Coalition into the open over its boat policy.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/bulldog-jaw-solemn-warnings-india-calls-shots-morrison

Don't worry about reading that rubbish. The numbers speak for themselves.

159 vs 17,000 for the same period last year and that's before its determined how many of the recent 157 will be returned to India.

The Coalition sets far higher standards on border security than Labor did in office.

 

[IFocus]

The Coalition sets far higher standards on border security than Labor did in office.

Epic fail if you measure them in complying with the law and open democratic government principles

Since when is Indian deciding on how the Coalition deals with asylum seekers rubbish.

 

[drsmith]

Epic fail if you measure them in complying with the law and open democratic government principles

Since when is Indian deciding on how the Coalition deals with asylum seekers rubbish.

The only way you're going to get 17,000 feathers back is with tar.

 

[Julia]

Epic fail if you measure them in complying with the law and open democratic government principles

Would you prefer that the approach of Labor were still in place where they were unable to establish any control over our borders at all? When they said the push factors were the entire cause of the flood of people able to pay people smugglers, at the expense of those patiently waiting in refugee camps, having already been declared genuine refugees?

Just really gets me that some people are so lacking in any sort of objectivity that they will find a reason to criticism the 'other side' and make constant excuses for the failures of their 'own side'.

Perhaps you would advocate Australia just opening our arms to all people who are attracted to our peaceful democracy, and our generous welfare system? Might be good to explain how we would pay for all these additional people sucking on the taxpayer purse.

 

[Julia]

The part that I'm confused about is that Australia apparently had no responsibility for this 150 odd group because they never entered Australian waters. Yet everyone seems to have assumed they are Australia's responsibility, the government included. Can someone explain why?

Because once they make it to Australian waters the Government's options narrow so they pick them up before they get there.

Could you explain what additional options are available to the government by assuming responsibility for them via picking them up outside our territorial waters?

 

[banco]

Could you explain what additional options are available to the government by assuming responsibility for them via picking them up outside our territorial waters?

The Government has previously argued (and was set to argue in the High Court) that people picked up outside our territorial waters have no access to Australian immigration law so they can't make claims under Australia's migration legislation.

 

[IFocus]

The Government has previously argued (and was set to argue in the High Court) that people picked up outside our territorial waters have no access to Australian immigration law so they can't make claims under Australia's migration legislation.

Isn't it piracy to force people off boats and hold them outside of territorial waters?

No matter look the other way nothing happening here, stop the boats blah blah.

Looking forward to Indian further running Abbot's operation sovereign borders.

 

[SirRumpole]

Isn't it piracy to force people off boats and hold them outside of territorial waters?

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If the boat put out a distress signal, it would be a rescue. If after they were picked up they then claimed asylum procedures would have to be gone through to determine their status, which is where we are now.

 

[drsmith]

Scott Morrison on AM this morning,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-28/scott-morrison-am-tamils-india-asylum/5628212

 

[Knobby22]

I don't understand why they didn't take them to Nauru initially?
The prison boat issue wouldn't have occurred and there is now a high probability that some of them will be granted asylum now that they are in Australia. What have I missed?

The cost of running a prison boat on the high seas would have been horrendous, not to mention the misery of the children and families. I just don't understand quite why this occurred. Was it something to do with the High Court decision?

 

[Julia]

I share Knobby's puzzlement. Can only assume it was a dictate of the Indian government, ie that they would only be prepared to interview the people on the Australian mainland. But that might be quite wrong.

 

[noco]

This court action has been instigated by the Green/Labor coalition in an effort to disrupt the Governments policy of stopping the boats.

These Indians were not being persecuted and are obviously economic refugees once again jumping the que ahead of genuine refugees who do not have the money to pay people smugglers.

They were also intercepted outside Australian territorial waters.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-would-be-absurd/story-fn9hm1gu-1227003955714

 

[So_Cynical]

The Indian Govt is now in control of Noalition Immigration policy.

 

[noco]

The Indian Govt is now in control of Noalition Immigration policy.

Well now, lets wait and see if you are right....time will tell and you might finish up with egg on your face.

 

[DB008]

The Indian Govt is now in control of Noalition Immigration policy.

Really?

Who was in control when Rudd/Gillard were at the helm?

 

[drsmith]

I don't understand why they didn't take them to Nauru initially?
The prison boat issue wouldn't have occurred and there is now a high probability that some of them will be granted asylum now that they are in Australia. What have I missed?

The cost of running a prison boat on the high seas would have been horrendous, not to mention the misery of the children and families. I just don't understand quite why this occurred. Was it something to do with the High Court decision?

Scott Morrison in the video above made the distinction that offshore processing was the backstop for asylum processing while this group will be subject to identity checks by Indian authorities.

The intention I'd suggest is that those not returned to India will be sent to an offshore processing centre.

The cost of detention by any means is horrendous but the cost of people smugglers determining our immigration intake as occurred under the previous Labor government is far worse. This is just part of the legacy of fixing Labor's mess in this policy area, a legacy that Labor is only too keen to maintain.

Also, it wasn't a prison boat and the conditions would not have been horrendous. That is just an unsubstantiated slur against our border protection authorities. Think for a moment in comparison to the conditions on the boat they chose to board when leaving India and also consider whether or not they would be allowed to return to India should any of them had chosen to do so.

 

[drsmith]

Really?

Who was in control when Rudd/Gillard were at the helm?

On behalf of those who constantly complain more about this government's border protection policies than the previous government's, I can answer that.

 

[banco]

Something for Australia to be proud of:

The national inquiry into children in immigration detention has heard evidence alleging a Government cover-up about the scale of mental health issues among child asylum seekers.

Psychiatrist Dr Peter Young was the director of mental health services at detention centre service provider International Health and Mental Services (IHMS) for three years until earlier this month.

In evidence to the inquiry today, Dr Young alleged figures showing the extent of mental health issues among child asylum seekers had been covered up by the Immigration Department.

He said IHMS had collected figures showing "significant" mental health problems among a significant number of child detainees.

He said the "early data" was "broadly in line with what we are seeing with adults and perhaps a little higher".

Dr Young said IHMS provided a report to the Immigration Department "in the couple of weeks as [the data had] come in" and that the reaction was "negative".

"[The Immigration Department] reacted with alarm and have asked us to withdraw these figures from our reporting," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...-hears-claims-of-immigration-cover-up/5637654

 

[SirRumpole]

"[The Immigration Department] reacted with alarm and have asked us to withdraw these figures from our reporting," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...-hears-claims-of-immigration-cover-up/5637654

Going back to the Howard days. If you don't like the data, silence the messenger.

 

[noco]

Something for Australia to be proud of:

The national inquiry into children in immigration detention has heard evidence alleging a Government cover-up about the scale of mental health issues among child asylum seekers.

Psychiatrist Dr Peter Young was the director of mental health services at detention centre service provider International Health and Mental Services (IHMS) for three years until earlier this month.

In evidence to the inquiry today, Dr Young alleged figures showing the extent of mental health issues among child asylum seekers had been covered up by the Immigration Department.

He said IHMS had collected figures showing "significant" mental health problems among a significant number of child detainees.

He said the "early data" was "broadly in line with what we are seeing with adults and perhaps a little higher".

Dr Young said IHMS provided a report to the Immigration Department "in the couple of weeks as [the data had] come in" and that the reaction was "negative".

"[The Immigration Department] reacted with alarm and have asked us to withdraw these figures from our reporting," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...-hears-claims-of-immigration-cover-up/5637654

Well, I guess the poor little bu99ers at the bottom of the ocean under the Green/Labor regime don't have to worry about mental health...how may was there?????....100..200...300......SHY says accidents happen...so what does she care?