Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[noco]

Who is this Fabian you keep going on about, and what is the opposite of a Fabian?

Chris. I hope this opens your eyes as to what the Fabian Society is all about.

The Greens and the Labor left wing socialists are all members of the Fabian Society which originated in Communist Russia.

Chris Bowen ( the shadow treasurer) Jenny Macklin are just two that come to mind....Gough Whitlam is their Patrron.

GET UP is another branch of Fabians of which Bill Shorten is a foundation member.

http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/fabians-and-pm-gillard/

 

[noco]

Whilst I am no supporter of Communism as all would be well and truly aware, Below is an interesting short speech from Vladimir Putin on Muslims.

Perhaps the Fabians in Australia should take heed of Putin's speech and follow his thoughts and stop any further entry of Muslims into Australia.


> > Vladimir Putin on Muslims
> >
> > No wonder he was selected by Forbes as the most powerful person in the world!! This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin. I would suggest that not only our leaders but every citizen of USA should pay attention to this advice. How scary is that? It is a sad day when a Communist makes more sense than our LEADERS but here it is!!!!
> >
> > Vladimir Putin's speech – HIS SHORTEST SPEECH EVER.
> >
> > On August 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
> >
> > In Russia, live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim's then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law.
> >
> > Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.
> >
> > When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.â€
> >
> > The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.
> >
> > If you keep this to yourself, you are part of the problem!
> >
> >

 

[drsmith]

That leaves the question as to what is happening to the 153 from a boat subject to the high court who are in our care, presumably sill on a customs vessel on the high seas.

Latest reports focus around discussions with India,

INDIAN officials are preparing for a visit to New Delhi by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, with discussions expected to centre on the 153 asylum-seekers in legal limbo and enhanced co-operation on people-smuggling.

India’s high commissioner to Australia, Biren Nanda, last night told The Australian Mr Morrison was “proceeding to India and he will be meeting with our foreign and home ministers tomorrow’’.

The meeting, expected to take place in New Delhi, is so sensitive that government officials would not confirm last night whether Mr Morrison was travelling to India.

A spokesman for India’s External Affairs Ministry last night confirmed that Mr Morrison was coming to New Delhi and would meet with External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and Home Affairs Minister Rajnath Singh.

Mr Morrison will be the first senior Australian minister to visit India since the May elections when BJP leader Narendra Modi swept the ten year old Congress government from power.

Any discussions would include the 153 asylum-seekers at the centre of a legal challenge to Australia’s immigration regime after refugee lawyers told the High Court this month the boat came from a Tamil refugee camp in Pondicherry in southern India.

The Abbott government has given a legal undertaking not to hand over the people to any foreign power or its agents without giving the court 72 hours’ notice.

As a deterrent, Australia has previously repatriated asylum-seekers, including a boatload of 41 people who were recently returned to Sri Lanka after their vessel was intercepted.

Earlier this month Mr Nanda said Australian authorities had not contacted the Indian high commission in Canberra about the asylum-seeker vessel. Asked if this was still the case, Mr Nanda said that “a couple of days ago some information has been shared with us and there will be discussions in New Delhi and let us see what the outcome is.

“I really can’t speak for what is going to happen tomorrow.’’

Earlier yesterday, Mr Morrison said on Sydney radio station 2GB during his weekly spot on the Ray Hadley program that “the report is that the vessel did come from India, we’ve got a very good understanding of where this vessel has come from and we’ve been having some dialogue with the Indian government, and to work through these issues. “

Mr Morrison’s office did not respond last night to inquiries about the visit.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...for-asylum-talks/story-fn9hm1gu-1226996685639

The number confirmed aboard the above boat is 157, not 153 as reported earlier.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...rs-of-natural-light-a-day-20140722-3cci2.html

 

[banco]

Whilst I am no supporter of Communism as all would be well and truly aware, Below is an interesting short speech from Vladimir Putin on Muslims.

Perhaps the Fabians in Australia should take heed of Putin's speech and follow his thoughts and stop any further entry of Muslims into Australia.


> > Vladimir Putin on Muslims
> >
> > No wonder he was selected by Forbes as the most powerful person in the world!! This is one time our elected leaders should pay attention to the advice of Vladimir Putin. I would suggest that not only our leaders but every citizen of USA should pay attention to this advice. How scary is that? It is a sad day when a Communist makes more sense than our LEADERS but here it is!!!!
> >
> > Vladimir Putin's speech – HIS SHORTEST SPEECH EVER.
> >
> > On August 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
> >
> > In Russia, live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim's then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law.
> >
> > Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.
> >
> > When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.â€
> >
> > The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.
> >
> > If you keep this to yourself, you are part of the problem!
> >
> >

You can't recognise a BS chain email when you see one? I picture you as this grandpa simpson type getting riled up by urban legends circulated through email by your fellow geriatrics. Better take your heart pills next time you open one of those emails.

 

[noco]

You can't recognise a BS chain email when you see one? I picture you as this grandpa simpson type getting riled up by urban legends circulated through email by your fellow geriatrics. Better take your heart pills next time you open one of those emails.

What is all this dribble about?.....You are nice fellow aren't you.!!!!!!!

 

[banco]

What is all this dribble about?.....You are nice fellow aren't you.!!!!!!!

Origins: This April 2013 item purports to reproduce a speech given by Russian president Vladimir Putin to the State Duma (the lower house of Russia's Federal Assembly) in which he demanded that minorities living in Russia (particularly Muslims) speak Russian and conform to Russian culture and laws and urged the Russian legislature to "have in mind the Russian national interest first" in order to avoid Muslims' "taking over Russia." At the conclusion of this speech he reportedly received a "five-minute standing ovation" from the gathered members of the assembly.

There is no evidence that President Putin gave any such speech, however.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/putinduma.asp

 

[drsmith]

Latest reports focus around discussions with India,

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...for-asylum-talks/story-fn9hm1gu-1226996685639

The number confirmed aboard the above boat is 157, not 153 as reported earlier.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...rs-of-natural-light-a-day-20140722-3cci2.html

Another media report, this time from the Colombo Gazette.

India gave Australia a bit of a breather by agreeing to investigate whether some of the 157 boat refugees confined to their boat on Christmas Island are Sri Lankan Tamil refugees from a camp in Puducherry, the Times of India reported.

Australia has asked the Indian government to provide consular services to the refugees to see if India can take them back. The refugees are held as prisoners in a boat and only let out during meal time.

Scott Morrison, Australia’s embattled immigration minister on his first visit here, told foreign minister Sushma Swaraj and home minister Rajnath Singh that according to Australian investigations, the controversial boat with 157 asylum seekers set out from India. The government had earlier approached Sri Lanka, but Colombo blew them away.

This is the first high level visit from Australia after the Modi government took office.

http://colombogazette.com/2014/07/23/india-to-probe-boat-with-157-lankans/

ABC,

Following Immigration Minister Scott Morrison's visit to India, the Indian High Commission in Canberra has told the ABC Indian officials want to establish who they are and where they set sail from.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-23/high-courts-full-bench-to-hear-asylum-seeker-challenge/5618106

 

[drsmith]

The above 157 are to be transferred to the Curtin detention centre via Cocos Island pending assessment by Indian officials.

Today, the asylum seekers will be taken to Cocos Island and then flown to the Curtin Detention Centre in remote Western Australia.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has insisted no asylum seekers who come by boat would reach the Australian mainland, but he has been forced to make an exception because India wants to interview them.

Mr Morrison says the safest and most convenient way of doing that is in Australia, although he insists they will never be settled here.

He says after Indian officials speak to the asylum seekers, the country would accept back those who are Indian citizens and possibly also Sri Lankan citizens who have been living in India.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-...-of-returning-asylum-seekers-to-india/5625866

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-25/australia-india-engaged-together-to-stop-people/5624626

This will being to 159 the total brought to our shores so far this year.

In comparison, over 17,000 arrived over the same period last year on over 200 boats.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-deal-with-india/story-fn9hm1gu-1227002158663

 

[So_Cynical]

This will being to 159 the total brought to our shores so far this year.

In comparison, over 17,000 arrived over the same period last year on over 200 boats.

Transporting 159 people to Australia, in an Australian registered Ship under the direction and control of the Australian Government...sounds like the Government has accepted responsibility for these people.

 

[SirRumpole]

Does this mean another election promise broken ?

The boats haven't stopped.

 

[noco]

Does this mean another election promise broken ?

The boats haven't stopped.

Clap..clap..clap......The Fabians have a smile on their faces.....They are happy to think the Government has failed and it has all to do with Labor's interference with court intervention.

But the Government has not failed.....these 159 illegals will be held in detention in WA until the Indian consul has interviewed them and will most likely will be returned to India....they will not be settled in a Australia.

So to all the Fabians, don't get too excited about Government failure just yet.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ce-centre-lawyer/story-fnihslxi-1227002353413

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-deal-with-india/story-fn9hm1gu-1227002158663

 

[drsmith]

After the Indonesian spying allegations surfaced late last year, the child senator boldly proclaimed OSB was dead. Somewhat wishful thinking that was on her part but still she tries with little regard for the tragedies and accidents at sea that occur as a consequence.

Just to clarify, it's 157 that originated from India that will be sent to Curtin for Indian assessment. The other two bringing the total for the year to 159 were from an earlier boat where the rest were returned to Indonesia in a bright orange lifeboat. These two were retained on medical grounds.

The government has been prudent in trying to forge a long term cooperation with India on this issue.

Regardless of how many of this group are returned to India, the longer term gains will I suspect be more significant.

Illegal immigration will never be stopped completely but the numbers now are very much less than occurred under Labor and clearly very much less than Labor and the Greens would like both at a political and ideological level.

 

[Julia]

The part that I'm confused about is that Australia apparently had no responsibility for this 150 odd group because they never entered Australian waters. Yet everyone seems to have assumed they are Australia's responsibility, the government included. Can someone explain why?

 

[SirRumpole]

The part that I'm confused about is that Australia apparently had no responsibility for this 150 odd group because they never entered Australian waters. Yet everyone seems to have assumed they are Australia's responsibility, the government included. Can someone explain why?

I guess possession is nine tenths of the law. If they are on our boat, they are our problem. No other country wants them and looks like we have to process them for their refugee status or not.

 

[Julia]

Yes, Rumpole, but to be entirely hard hearted about it, Australia would seem to have had no obligation to pick them up and put them on the Australian boat in the first place. That's the point I was trying to make.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, Rumpole, but to be entirely hard hearted about it, Australia would seem to have had no obligation to pick them up and put them on the Australian boat in the first place. That's the point I was trying to make.

Probably true, but the mindset of the government seems to be "they shall not land on our shores" and so probably the idea was to do the same with the 150 as was done with the 40 that were sent back to Sri Lanka, only we later found out that they did not come from Sri Lanka, but India and India did not want them, so we got caught out.

Why countries cannot be required to take responsibility for their own citizens is beyond me. Is seems ridiculous that countries can just refuse to take their own citizens back.

 

[banco]

The part that I'm confused about is that Australia apparently had no responsibility for this 150 odd group because they never entered Australian waters. Yet everyone seems to have assumed they are Australia's responsibility, the government included. Can someone explain why?

Because once they make it to Australian waters the Government's options narrow so they pick them up before they get there.

 

[banco]

After the Indonesian spying allegations surfaced late last year, the child senator boldly proclaimed OSB was dead. Somewhat wishful thinking that was on her part but still she tries with little regard for the tragedies and accidents at sea that occur as a consequence.

Just to clarify, it's 157 that originated from India that will be sent to Curtin for Indian assessment. The other two bringing the total for the year to 159 were from an earlier boat where the rest were returned to Indonesia in a bright orange lifeboat. These two were retained on medical grounds.

The government has been prudent in trying to forge a long term cooperation with India on this issue.

Regardless of how many of this group are returned to India, the longer term gains will I suspect be more significant.

Illegal immigration will never be stopped completely but the numbers now are very much less than occurred under Labor and clearly very much less than Labor and the Greens would like both at a political and ideological level.

I'd say it had at least as much to do with the Government thinking they were going to lose the High Court case.

 

[IFocus]

A bulldog jaw and solemn warnings – but India calls the shots on Morrison

Delhi has succeeded where the courts and opposition have failed by forcing the Coalition into the open over its boat policy

Whatever the minister says, he didn’t stop this boat. Scott Morrison was not in great shape when he faced the press this afternoon to admit – after Guardian Australia broke the story – that the Tamils floating round the Indian Ocean on a Customs vessel for the last three weeks are to be brought ashore.

He was white as a sheet. His rhetoric was especially solemn. The “broad menu of measures” he mentioned once or twice during his 20 minutes confrontation with the press didn’t include humble pie.

You have to pity the poor bugger: he’s the minister for immigration and border protection and he can’t tell us where the 157 will be landed and where they will be held. The Guardian had already told him: Cocos Island and Curtin detention centre. He expressed no gratitude.

Not this time. Through the welter of obfuscation it emerged that India is calling the shots here. The Tamils are to be brought ashore “out of respect” said Morrison “for the way the Indian government wished to conduct the process”.

So it’s been left to India to tell us to behave ourselves – not the high court or the opposition or those Australians appalled by us imprisoning asylum seekers for weeks on the high seas. But India.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/bulldog-jaw-solemn-warnings-india-calls-shots-morrison

 

[drsmith]

I'd say it had at least as much to do with the Government thinking they were going to lose the High Court case.

I suspect the government would have aimed to get Sri-Lanka to take both boat loads in one go.

Once that failed, it was always going to be messier and the court action didn't help in that regard.