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Thankyou.
You are at odds with even Stephen Conroy himself as he withdrew the remark although he didn't apologise.
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You are at odds with even Stephen Conroy himself as he withdrew the remark although he didn't apologise.
Why should Morrison resign when the detention camp was set up by Labor....the security of the camp was set up with the PNG governemnt by Labor......so there was a riot because these asylum seekers were allowed to penetrate our borders through the stupid policy of Labor....they finish up in a place they don't like because of Labor and because they are not processed quickly enough without their ID to establish who they are, they take exception and riot to seek world attention through the media, just as they did on Naru under Tony Bourke's watch when they burnt down the facilities costing millions of dollars.
The PNG security guards were out numbered so they called in locals to help....IMHO the locals feared the breakout might entice these asylum seekers to chase after the local women.
Having travelled to PNG 2 and 3 times a year over 18 years, I have gained a fair bit of knowledge of how local PNG men react and they would think nothing of going in with what ever weapons they could lay their hands on to prevent what they thought might happen to their women........It was unfortunate for the Iranian who was killed....he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got in the way of a clanger. 80 others were injured....they most likely deserved what they received for their stupid decision to riot.
A lot of attention has been given to one death from this melee.....but don't worry about the 1200 + who lost their lives under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd watch from 2008 to 2013....What a lot of hypocrites just to gain some poliotical points.
Because Morrison is in charge now, and he hasn't shut down the camp. He personally guaranteed safety inside the camp and reneged. It's his responsibility.
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What Scott Morrison said was;
''I can guarantee their safety when they remain in the centre and act co-operatively with those who are trying to provide them with support and accommodation". (my bolds)
I don't think Morrison will or should resign. The safety of asylum seekers will be enhanced by reducing the numbers in the camps. This can be achieved firstly by stabilising the numbers in the camps. This appears to be happening at the moment with no boat arrivals. The numbers can then be reduced by processing the detainees asylum claims. This appears to be a long drawn out process. However given the competence displayed by Morrison so far I believe he will manage to speed this up.
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1200+ boat deaths in Labor reign = page 5 of SMH in a 2 column byline. 1 dead Iranian on Liberals watch = media hysteria? I just love how they have painted the immigrant Iranian to be a saint !! Lets canonise him next eh what?
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You don't appear to appreciate the difference between people killed on the high seas and deaths in Australian custody.
Assigning all blame to Labor for drownings at sea and none to Morrison for a death in his custody is one eyed.
Demanding the resignation of Morrison for one death in a bad situation that was caused by labor whilst ignoring the good job he is doing to rectify this bad situation is one eyed.
Stopping a few boats at the cost of a cooperative relationship with nearby countries is not good policy. The pace of arrivals started slowing after the PNG agreement set up by Rudd.
The Abbott/Morrison approach is overly aggressive and does not improve our image with countries that we are trying to establish better trade relationships with.
The relationship with Indonesia is about as cooperative as the one they had with Labor that had 1000s of asylum seekers leaving their shore.
I don't give Rudd any kudos for anything he did to solve the problem he is almost 100% responsible. . Like giving the fire bug praise for help putting out the fire. Do you really think someone as weak gutted as Rudd would have continued with such a hardline approach after the election if he had won.
A few questions for you Rumpole. Do you give any credit for Morrison and the government for progress they have made on the issue of asylum seekers. Do blame labor at all for leaving government with overflowing camps at Manus and Naru and the hundreds of deaths at sea during their watch. If you don't think the deaths at sea was in anyway Labor's fault do you think it is worthy to take steps that may reduce or halt deaths at sea.
I maintain the contention that this policy has a cost, either now or in the future. With a huge emerging market to our north is it worth risking this just to attempt to prove to the ultra-Right that the Abbott government is gung ho ?
If people arriving without visas are not going to be settled in Australia, there is no point in them coming here. Offshore processing and settlement is deterrent enough. The Malaysia solution would have worked, and was a cooperative agreement with another country rather than a conflicting one.
People have said that John Howard "cleaned out" the detention centres. Did these people simply disappear ? Where did they go ? The fact is that the majority of them were allowed to stay in Australia. That's a pretty "open door" result.
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As I said in the Abbott Government thread, the Malaysia solution was discussed at length in this thread at the time it was proposed.
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You have been on holidays and have not been cognitive enough to realise that this has already been discussed. SBY is making a BIG DEAL out of nothing as there is an election looming (Indonesia) and he is down in the polls. Money for trade will overcome all petty objections that are being thrown around by the incumbent government. Quite amazing how they did not have the resources to the South to stop the boats but the moment Aussie assets turn up on their territorial water borders there is a formidable flotilla of RED AND WHITE flags flying??
Monkey poo flinging chest beating at it's best
OMG ... now you understand what the sovereign borders policy is all about !
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Your very apt namesake, Rumpole of the Bailey was also one-eyed. Leo McKern lost the other eye in an accident at age 15.
Thanks,
If I have the time and energy to plumb the depths of this thread, I'll look it up.
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