Trawl through this and your questions will be answered
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/public...um/_files/asylum-stats-march-quarter-2013.pdf
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Trawl through this and your questions will be answered
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/public...um/_files/asylum-stats-march-quarter-2013.pdf
Why do you assume they will ALL be on welfare for life ? There are lots of examples of refugees starting businesses or otherwise working hard and paying their own way.
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Cut out the personalisation its totally uncalled for, Rumpole provides valid arguments your premise is at best unfortunate you can do far better Dr.
As for the Malaysia argument what's with Cambodia?
Feel free to provide the excuses.....its all Labors fault.
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In the Westminster system the buck stops with the minister.
Are you suggesting we change that convention like the other incursions of school yard politics currently employed by this opposition government.
A not so subtle attempt to scare the hell out of refugees and stop them coming. If it succeeds I foresee North Korea will probably be next
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I have always been fascinated with this.
Some one who fights their way through all sorts of issues way beyond the imaginations of anyone here for a better life for their family just to turn up and get the dole.
My only exposure to refugees from the 3rd world is that parents work night and day for the further education of family members so they have a better future than they had.
They cannot pass on fortunes but can pass on higher education any wonder why Asians dominate our education systems.
Its sheer arrogance to believe that parents would want any thing less than what we would for our own children.
It's not a perfect world. When a prisoner is murdered in jail does the corrective services minister fall on his sword. When there's a surge in road deaths does the transport minister or police minister get the chop. When child abuse within the family kills a child does the family services minister cop it.
If Morrison was incompetent it would be fair to expect him to resign. Morrison in my opinion has proven to be very competent so far.
Whilst we are talking about ministerial responsibilities did any immigration ministers resign over any of the 11 deaths in Australian detention centres between July 2010 and December 2012. Did Tony Burke resign when $60 000 000 worth of damage was caused during a riot.
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I disagree with that.
It's only 99.9% Labor's fault.
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Rumpy,
Sink ya teeth into the current government's version of this,
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12698&page=4&highlight=maternity
Further to the increasing use of private corporations in government business, the following article is interesting.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-28/dunlop-small-government-can-equal-big-problems/5287718
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-28/dunlop-small-government-can-equal-big-problems/5287718
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A good article about Saint Lieutenant General Angus Campbell:
Robert Armstrong, secretary of the British cabinet, famously called it being ''economical with the truth''. It's a technique of volunteering no information, answering questions literally, and playing a completely dead bat. Confirming only facts already known. Conscious use of ambiguous phrases such as ''as far as I know'' or ''to my knowledge'' that can equally imply inquiry or lack of it.
It's about deceiving without lying, misleading, answering questions not asked, and failing to answer questions which are. It's playing the smart-****. Making sure that nothing one says could be a springboard for criticism for what has occurred. When not ''cover-up'', which it often is, it's about ''providing cover''.
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It's also practised, as a matter of routine, by military officers answering questions from people outside the direct chain of command. Anyone else - parliamentarians, press and public - will be told only what it is convenient for government and the services to have them know.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/practised-in-the-arts-of-deception-20140228-33rht.html#ixzz2ugQghWv7
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/practised-in-the-arts-of-deception-20140228-33rht.html#ixzz2ugQcPMLJ
Robert Armstrong, secretary of the British cabinet, famously called it being ''economical with the truth''. It's a technique of volunteering no information, answering questions literally, and playing a completely dead bat. Confirming only facts already known. Conscious use of ambiguous phrases such as ''as far as I know'' or ''to my knowledge'' that can equally imply inquiry or lack of it.
It's about deceiving without lying, misleading, answering questions not asked, and failing to answer questions which are. It's playing the smart-****. Making sure that nothing one says could be a springboard for criticism for what has occurred. When not ''cover-up'', which it often is, it's about ''providing cover''.
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It's also practised, as a matter of routine, by military officers answering questions from people outside the direct chain of command. Anyone else - parliamentarians, press and public - will be told only what it is convenient for government and the services to have them know.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/practised-in-the-arts-of-deception-20140228-33rht.html#ixzz2ugQghWv7
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/practised-in-the-arts-of-deception-20140228-33rht.html#ixzz2ugQcPMLJ
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If any of those ministers gave the wrong facts or account under the Westminster system there would hell to play simply because its a sign that they are out of touch with the system, department control or trying to hide the ugly facts etc.
As Labor has had a chequered past with boat arrivals they are pretty much neutered on the subject which is a bad result given the Coalition are hiding behind uniforms to get a veil of secrecy on the bad news.
What bad news are they hiding. What ugly facts are they hiding. It's not like they were going to hide the the fact a detainee died.
I think the government has a right to maintain operation secrecy. I equate it to law enforcement operations against large smuggling enterprises. The information in those instances is very much controlled.
I think the government is being attacked on the secrecy aspect as it is the only avenue for attack. The immediate success of OSB has only highlighted the ineptitude of Labor's border control efforts.
Why can't everyone be relieved that the boats and drownings have stopped.
Are you happy the drownings have stopped Ifocus
Got a better way of sorting the whole situation out. Do you prefer regular boats arriving and regular drownings or as it stands now.
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None of these people have a better way. They are just armchair sportsmen. They are stone throwers.
When Labor was in charge they had all the information they could possibly want but they didn't use it to solve the problem. Their only ability was to make things worse.
So now these same buffoons are on the sidelines crying about lack of information. If they are given the information what the hell are they going to do with it. They are not in charge now. They should never have been in charge before.
Imo the uncontrolled invasion of our national borders is a state of war. It should be counter-acted with war-time like measures and that includes operational secrecy for obvious reasons.
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