Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[overhang]

What a mob of hypocrits the Greens and many of the Labor lefties are to hold a candle light vigil over the death of one Iranian riotor on Manus Island....Where were these radicals when 1200 asylum seekers lost their lives at sea due to the stupid policy of Labor and the Greens?

I'm guessing you took that from the trash excuse for a journalist Andrew Bolt, a quick google search would have debunked his theory. http://i.imgur.com/U3HhTFr.png Unlike Bolt there are people out there who are humanitarians and don't just use it to as a mirage to hide behind a political agenda, ie the pink bats deaths.

For the record I think apart from how poorly handled this has been by Morrison that Labor share equal blame for his death.

 

[AAA]

I'm guessing you took that from the trash excuse for a journalist Andrew Bolt, a quick google search would have debunked his theory. http://i.imgur.com/U3HhTFr.png Unlike Bolt there are people out there who are humanitarians and don't just use it to as a mirage to hide behind a political agenda, ie the pink bats deaths.

For the record I think apart from how poorly handled this has been by Morrison that Labor share equal blame for his death.

I'd allocate 99.9999% of the blame to Labor. If it weren't for Rudd dismantling the Howard policies we wouldn't have the thousands in detention that we have now. Rudd implemented the current Manus Is policy. Rudd allocated the funding (adequate or not)for the policy. Rudd employed the company running this centre when the death occurred. The desceased arrived at Manus Is on Rudd's watch.

Where has Scott Morrison gone wrong here. What should he have done better.

 

[overhang]

I'd allocate 99.9999% of the blame to Labor. If it weren't for Rudd dismantling the Howard policies we wouldn't have the thousands in detention that we have now. Rudd implemented the current Manus Is policy. Rudd allocated the funding (adequate or not)for the policy. Rudd employed the company running this centre when the death occurred. The desceased arrived at Manus Is on Rudd's watch.

Where has Scott Morrison gone wrong here. What should he have done better.

And I would concur with you. Where Morrison went wrong is the information he allowed himself to be mislead by, why is it the media had the information before his press conference that the riot occurred inside the center and that the locals entered the facility. Why is it that a former G4S guard was on the ABC claiming it was common for the locals to be let into the facility as the number of PNG guards exceeded that of our own but yet Morrison was unaware this was taking place. Obviously its more the case that he hasn't received the correct information but he is the face of this.

I would like to know what the position of those opposed to these policies will be hypothetically in 9 years time, there are no boats and no one in detention due to the current tough stance, there for no one is suffering due to our policies. Would they call for the abolishment of offshore processing again at the risk of an influx of boats resulting in drownings again?

 

[rumpole]

Where has Scott Morrison gone wrong here. What should he have done better.

For starters he should discontinue the practise of using private security companies to do work that government agencies should be doing.

Private companies are just a ruse to get around the use of the Freedom of Information act and to defer responsibility for corrupt or underhand behaviour to someone else.

Morrison should clearly state that the buck stops with him when it comes to taking responsibility for his own portfolio, and not hide behind either the Defence Force or shady private corporations.

 

[AAA]

For starters he should discontinue the practise of using private security companies to do work that government agencies should be doing.

Private companies are just a ruse to get around the use of the Freedom of Information act and to defer responsibility for corrupt or underhand behaviour to someone else.

Morrison should clearly state that the buck stops with him when it comes to taking responsibility for his own portfolio, and not hide behind either the Defence Force or shady private corporations.

Private corporations are used increasingly throughout the world for activities that were once performed by governments ie. corrective services, military base security, speed camera activities. I don't see anything out of the ordinary or wrong in Australia using private security companies for security of these centres. It's done because it makes economic sense.

People die in detention quite regularly. Is a corrective services minister expected to resign every time there is a death in custody.

Conditions could always be improved in these detention centres. It generally boils down to money. How much more does it cost to run these detention centres now with thousands in custody compared to the costs when there were only a handful of detainees as was the case when Labor came to power.

How many ministers for immigration did labor have. Did any of them have anywhere near the success Morrison has had in halting the arrival of boat arrivals. If you look at the results the only reasonable assessment of Morrisons performance is that he is doing an exceptional job.

 

[noco]

I'm guessing you took that from the trash excuse for a journalist Andrew Bolt, a quick google search would have debunked his theory. http://i.imgur.com/U3HhTFr.png Unlike Bolt there are people out there who are humanitarians and don't just use it to as a mirage to hide behind a political agenda, ie the pink bats deaths.

For the record I think apart from how poorly handled this has been by Morrison that Labor share equal blame for his death.

If you had been more astute, you would have noted the article came from the Australian.

Anfrew Bolt had nothing to do with it.

Wakie wakie!!!!!!!!

 

[rumpole]

I don't see anything out of the ordinary or wrong in Australia using private security companies for security of these centres. It's done because it makes economic sense.

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It may make economic sense to euthanise everyone over 70 before they cost us a fortune in health or pensions.

Please explain to me how someone who does something for a profit can do it cheaper than those who basically do it at cost ? By cutting corners, reducing standards, employing the cheapest labour possible (more susceptible to bribes), and generally acting as a black hole that swallows ministerial accountability.

The taxpayer still pays for these services, but the value we get from them is hidden behind "commercial in confidence" walls.

 

[overhang]

If you had been more astute, you would have noted the article came from the Australian.

Anfrew Bolt had nothing to do with it.

Wakie wakie!!!!!!!!

Oh sorry I wasn't aware as it was behind a paywall which I couldn't read.

 

[AAA]

It may make economic sense to euthanise everyone over 70 before they cost us a fortune in health or pensions.

Please explain to me how someone who does something for a profit can do it cheaper than those who basically do it at cost ? By cutting corners, reducing standards, employing the cheapest labour possible (more susceptible to bribes), and generally acting as a black hole that swallows ministerial accountability.

The taxpayer still pays for these services, but the value we get from them is hidden behind "commercial in confidence" walls.

It is a worldwide practice to privatise these sort of functions. It is not a world wide practice to euthanise the over 70s. Again if it wasn't for the incompetence of the labor government we wouldn't be having this problem. Our security bill would be significantly less along with less or non existent crowding in detention centre.

 

[banco]

Stephen Conroy couldn't get the red underpants on Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell's head.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...of-boats-coverup/story-fn9hm1gu-1226837446653

I'm not sure why we have to pretend that Generals aren't a highly politicized bunch of careerists already (how do you think they got to that level)?

 

[IFocus]

Again if it wasn't for the incompetence of the labor government we wouldn't be having this problem. Our security bill would be significantly less along with less or non existent crowding in detention centre.

OK so its all Labor's fault and Morrison has no responsibility for what happens in the management and miss reporting of the facts of detention centres.

I think I am on board......hang on thats an on water operational matter.

 

[AAA]

OK so its all Labor's fault and Morrison has no responsibility for what happens in the management and miss reporting of the facts of detention centres.

I think I am on board......hang on thats an on water operational matter.

Only logical conclusion. I can't find any reason to blame anyone but labor for our overflowing detention centres. Who do you blame IFocus.

 

[IFocus]

Only logical conclusion. I can't find any reason to blame anyone but labor for our overflowing detention centres. Who do you blame IFocus.

No argument over how the boat people arrived.

However clearly this government will go down as not accepting responsibility for its own policies (operation sovereign borders covers detention centres) and running an operation thats gone rouge.

The Abbott government is creating history with its political agenda of destroying conventions defended by previous conservative governments.

But keep up the mantra so we can see how far the polling trend is going to bite.

 

[AAA]

No argument over how the boat people arrived.

However clearly this government will go down as not accepting responsibility for its own policies (operation sovereign borders covers detention centres) and running an operation thats gone rouge.

The Abbott government is creating history with its political agenda of destroying conventions defended by previous conservative governments.

But keep up the mantra so we can see how far the polling trend is going to bite.

The present government was left with a very difficult situation caused by the previous labor governments policies and incompetence. They are making considerable efforts to sort this situation out. They are having considerable success. How many days since a boat got through.

I just heard Richo interview Scott Morrison. 130 additional security personnel were deployed at Manus just before the riot. Unfortunately it wasn't enough to prevent the subsequent mayhem.

It's not a perfect world. When a prisoner is murdered in jail does the corrective services minister fall on his sword. When there's a surge in road deaths does the transport minister or police minister get the chop. When child abuse within the family kills a child does the family services minister cop it.

I think there are people unfairly demanding demanding perfection from this governments border protection results.

 

[drsmith]

I'm not sure why we have to pretend that Generals aren't a highly politicized bunch of careerists already (how do you think they got to that level)?

Are you suggesting he deserved what Stephen Conroy dished out ?

I think there are people unfairly demanding demanding perfection from this governments border protection results.

The bird's still squawking but you're arguing with a long since plucked parrot, especially on this topic.

 

[noco]

I'm not sure why we have to pretend that Generals aren't a highly politicized bunch of careerists already (how do you think they got to that level)?

What a lot of rot you speak.....I have a son who is high ranking in the air force....he has attained his ranking with study, hard work and examinations....these blokes do not just get promoted from being a brown nose....so stop carrying on like an grubby exunion rep or secretary who he needles his way into parliament.

 

[banco]

Are you suggesting he deserved what Stephen Conroy dished out ?

I'm suggesting that the good General is smart enough to know that his next promotion hinges on keeping the Government happy and that likely colours his actions. Just because he's wearing khaki doesn't mean he's any different than a civil servant wearing a suit and tie who does his best to filibuster and protect his Minister. Let's not forget he was recently in the Prime Minister's Department performing a civil service role. He knows how the game is played as well as any Humphrey.

 

[banco]

I'm sure he would look fetching in Khaki:

 

[drsmith]

I'm suggesting that the good General is smart enough to know that his next promotion hinges on keeping the Government happy and that likely colours his actions. Just because he's wearing khaki doesn't mean he's any different than a civil servant wearing a suit and tie who does his best to filibuster and protect his Minister. Let's not forget he was recently in the Prime Minister's Department performing a civil service role. He knows how the game is played as well as any Humphrey.

I'll ask the question again.

Are you suggesting he deserved what Stephen Conroy dished out ?

 

[banco]

I'll ask the question again.

Are you suggesting he deserved what Stephen Conroy dished out ?

I didn't think Conroy was out of line but then I think the Senators generally aren't aggressive enough with witnesses who obfuscate and filibuster.