Alcohol fueled violence

[Smurf1976]

I think you'll find the Gold Coast has changed a lot.

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2011/12/01/370181_gold-coast-news.html

That article is about crime in general (much of which would have nothing to do with alcohol) and suggests that whilst there has been an increase, the GC is still a relatively safe place.

 

[Julia]

The only stats I need Julia is on the news every few days ,

Oh, right. It doesn't occur to you that much of the media sees it as its mission in life to create the impression that we are living in an alcohol and drug fuelled place far worse than Kabul or Baghdad. You are being sucked in by the "let's have a sensation" media.

what every cop will tell you about what happens every weekend and the fact that medical staff at hospital emergency wards needs guards these days.

What rubbish. Certainly there are admissions of drunks and drug affected people who make the life of emergency people extremely difficult, but they are by no means a majority. A few weeks ago I spent several hours in Emergency with a knee injury and a more peaceful place is hard to imagine.

Naaa the ABC are gentile people as are you all, you should see the types on some motoring forums

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What were you actually trying to say here?

OK, the headline of the article you linked to is "Britain to Introduce Minimum Alcohol Price", so I thought that was what you were advocating.

Exactly the impression I had.

As for not being allowed on the streets when drunk, no thanks. I'd prefer to keep my civil liberties and not let the government impose punitive laws on me because a small minority (and yes it is a small minority) can't control themselves when on the booze.

+1.

The overwhelming majority of violence is not random. If you have evidence to the contrary then please share it.

If you take out domestic violence and incidents where both parties were drinking, you end up with very few genuine acts of random alcohol fuelled violence.

Correct.

Better than your ideal country where men are free to roam around dangerously drunk and carry drugs without fear of detection because .......they have their rights

They wont turn up at my place but you're a real risk, civil libertarians are well known for subversive behaviour and use the civil liberty rant to cover their tracks.

Oh god, now you're just sounding pathetically ridiculous.

 

[explod]

What rubbish. Certainly there are admissions of drunks and drug affected people who make the life of emergency people extremely difficult, but they are by no means a majority. A few weeks ago I spent several hours in Emergency with a knee injury and a more peaceful place is hard to imagine.

Maybe where you live Julia, but places like Frankston, Geelong, in fact all the Melbourne metropolitan hospitals down here are a nightmare for staff due to drunkeness and drug abuse to a lesser extent.

I have family currently employed in medicine and law enforcement.

And in the inner city areas the problems were pretty bad 25 years ago. As pub hours became more liberal, alcohol abuse, assaults and violence in the homes went through the roof.

Until restrictions are re-imposed we are doomed. Of course work and a full education for all would be the real way forward.

And tram conductors or any sort of work to support the community instead of the dole.

 

[Calliope]

And tram conductors or any sort of work to support the community instead of the dole.

???::screwy:

 

[McLovin]

Oh god, now you're just sounding pathetically ridiculous.

It truly amazes me when people are so willing to give up their rights which for hundreds of years people have died for. Sometimes, I wish we had a Fourth Amendment.

As far I'm concerned, if I'm minding my own business the state has no right to say or do anything to me. And I'm not even a libertarian.

 

[jancha]

It truly amazes me when people are so willing to give up their rights which for hundreds of years people have died for.

As far I'm concerned, if I'm minding my own business the state has no right to say or do anything to me. And I'm not even a libertarian.

My son and his girlfriend late at night chatting with friends minding their own business on a party street in the city of Adelaide... when one of the dozen gang members who happened to be walking past gave my sons girlfriend a king hit as he went past. (Maybe thought it was a bit of fun to impress the gang who knows) I dont know about you or what you would have done but if I was physically fit and could chase that clown down i would. But hang on the police across the road are right on to it...yes thats right they've seen it and apprehend my son whilst in pursuit...Hang on thats not right should'nt they be after the bad guy? My sons upset and wanting to chase blurting out they're getting away and they've punched my girlfriend to the ground blah blah. So what can the coppers do but Spray him with capsicum not once but twice, lock him up for the night and charge him for resisting arrest and assult. What else could they do? They contained the situation thats their job. Later on the culprit got arrested for another incident on the night. Now the police who have charged my son want a statement from him and his girlfriend to help put this priceless person away with the help of his past record. Please cooperate??
$4000 further on in legal fees to have a non conviction who's the winner here?
Keep dreaming Mclovin

 

[explod]

???::screwy:

A large number of the drunken trouble makers are without work and idle.

Here in Victoria the axing of the Tram Conductors, Railway Ticket Officers and other such staff seemed top be a pivotal point in a broad sociological change for the worse.

 

[moXJO]

My son and his girlfriend late at night chatting with friends minding their own business on a party street in the city of Adelaide... when one of the dozen gang members who happened to be walking past gave my sons girlfriend a king hit as he went past. (Maybe thought it was a bit of fun to impress the gang who knows) I dont know about you or what you would have done but if I was physically fit and could chase that clown down i would. But hang on the police across the road are right on to it...yes thats right they've seen it and apprehend my son whilst in pursuit...Hang on thats not right should'nt they be after the bad guy? My sons upset and wanting to chase blurting out they're getting away and they've punched my girlfriend to the ground blah blah. So what can the coppers do but Spray him with capsicum not once but twice, lock him up for the night and charge him for resisting arrest and assult. What else could they do? They contained the situation thats their job. Later on the culprit got arrested for another incident on the night. Now the police who have charged my son want a statement from him and his girlfriend to help put this priceless person away with the help of his past record. Please cooperate??
$4000 further on in legal fees to have a non conviction who's the winner here?
Keep dreaming Mclovin

I live in one of the worst places in NSW for street violence. It has less to do with alcohol and more to do with people not respecting the law and being DHeads. Some of the judges have started to hand down harsher sentences. But the cops still have to beg victims for a simple statement.

 

[MrBurns]

A large number of the drunken trouble makers are without work and idle.

Here in Victoria the axing of the Tram Conductors, Railway Ticket Officers and other such staff seemed top be a pivotal point in a broad sociological change for the worse.

I agree but the Govt sold the trams and everything else so money is now more important than people. They want their profit and bugger everyone else, these were assets owned by the people , not any more

 

[MrBurns]

My son and his girlfriend late at night chatting with friends minding their own business on a party street in the city of Adelaide... when one of the dozen gang members who happened to be walking past gave my sons girlfriend a king hit as he went past. (Maybe thought it was a bit of fun to impress the gang who knows) I dont know about you or what you would have done but if I was physically fit and could chase that clown down i would. But hang on the police across the road are right on to it...yes thats right they've seen it and apprehend my son whilst in pursuit...Hang on thats not right should'nt they be after the bad guy? My sons upset and wanting to chase blurting out they're getting away and they've punched my girlfriend to the ground blah blah. So what can the coppers do but Spray him with capsicum not once but twice, lock him up for the night and charge him for resisting arrest and assult. What else could they do? They contained the situation thats their job. Later on the culprit got arrested for another incident on the night. Now the police who have charged my son want a statement from him and his girlfriend to help put this priceless person away with the help of his past record. Please cooperate??
$4000 further on in legal fees to have a non conviction who's the winner here?
Keep dreaming Mclovin

Thats disgusting, go to the media and let them handle it

In fact get a lawyer onto it, the cops can't get away with that rubbish.

 

[MrBurns]

It truly amazes me when people are so willing to give up their rights which for hundreds of years people have died for. Sometimes, I wish we had a Fourth Amendment.
As far I'm concerned, if I'm minding my own business the state has no right to say or do anything to me. And I'm not even a libertarian.

Why are you so concerned about your rights , you act within the law don't you or do you want to right to go outside the law, if so tough, like to get on a plane in the US where no one has been checked for explosives or weapons ? Course not, wake up to yourself and stop espousing ridiculous unworkable ideals, you must be a Labor voter.

 

[MrBurns]

Oh, right. It doesn't occur to you that much of the media sees it as its mission in life to create the impression that we are living in an alcohol and drug fuelled place far worse than Kabul or Baghdad. You are being sucked in by the "let's have a sensation" media.

Thats right Julia all those injuries and attacks were made up by the media to get attention, they have an acting studio on the side where they train people to to look like they were bashed or killed, very clever the media

What rubbish. Certainly there are admissions of drunks and drug affected people who make the life of emergency people extremely difficult, but they are by no means a majority. A few weeks ago I spent several hours in Emergency with a knee injury and a more peaceful place is hard to imagine.

One-third of injured patients attending St Vincent’s Hospital Emergency Department have consumed alcohol prior to incurring their injury and almost two-thirds of these patients have been drinking at licensed premises

.

http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/pages/bocsar_mr_ab06

and that was 7 years ago, it's much worse now.

You must live near the Camelot hospital where only "nice" people are allowed in

What were you actually trying to say here?

So now I'm a racist ? Paranoia is a horrible thing Julia (I seem to be using the roll eyes thing a lot here but it's appropriate)

Oh god, now you're just sounding pathetically ridiculous.

Yeah that's right I'M sounding ridiculous............once again

A more recent link -

http://amavic.com.au/page/Member_Se...ngerous_work_violence_in_healthcare_settings/

 

[rumpole]

Prevention is better than cure. If getting drunks of the streets prevents crime and traffic accidents I really don't care if some think their rights are infringed.

 

[Sdajii]

I get out into Melbourne's stereotypical problem drinking areas fairly often, and interstate from time to time. I see a lot of violence, and it's not too unusual to see it happening to random people who were ignoring the culprit. Often drugs other than alcohol are involved.

It's pretty easy to want to roll your eyes or facepalm when self righteous people living in wealthy suburbs whinge about rights being taken away in times, places and cultures they have no familiarity with. You're not going to be walking down the street minding your own business and causing no trouble and then breathalysed and sniffed. I am a bit of a libertarian, but what do I care if people looking like causing trouble get sniffed? Heck, even if it happens to me because they do it at random, a dog sniffs me and I get a policeman telling me to have a good night. That seems a small price to pay (arguably a novelty) in exchange for keeping druggies in check. They're not going to target non problem areas anyway, it would only be in times and places prone to violence.

This 'I must live in some special part of the country because I don't see the problem' is absurd. It's like advertising the fact that you don't understand the issue, have no familiarity with it and shouldn't be trying to convince others of your baseless opinions.

Looking at what percentage of *all* violence happens in what way is completely irrelevant. If I am with violent strangers I don't become safer just because somewhere else a lot of people are being attacked by people they know! Regardless of what does or doesn't happen elsewhere, I see a lot of violence in bars and on the streets. Can the people complaining about liberty infringement say they see a lot of it too? Sure, in a perfect world we wouldn't have drug sniffs or breathalysers or locks on doors, but I'll give up my right not to be sniffed by a dog when I'm in a violence-prone situation in exchange for the police having the right to protect me and others from drug-related violence.

Sometimes it sucks that good people need to pay more or not be able to take their pocket knife on a plane or be breathalysed when they drive or pay taxes which cover expenses not related to them, but we do need to look at the big picture and do what keeps things best for everyone.

 

[McLovin]

Why are you so concerned about your rights you act within the law don't you or do you want to right to go outside the law, if so tough,

I'm not interested in the government legislating out my rights. If "acting within the law" was the only benchmark, then I guess the government could make a law opposing political free speechand you'd be fine with that?

like to get on a plane in the US where no one has been checked for explosives or weapons ? Course not, wake up to yourself and stop espousing ridiculous unworkable ideals,

Don't create a strawman. We're not discussing airline security. We're talking about walking down the street without being stopped and searched by police.

you must be a Labor voter

Quite the opposite.

 

[MrBurns]

I get out into Melbourne's stereotypical problem drinking areas fairly often, and interstate from time to time. I see a lot of violence, and it's not too unusual to see it happening to random people who were ignoring the culprit. Often drugs other than alcohol are involved.

It's pretty easy to want to roll your eyes or facepalm when self righteous people living in wealthy suburbs whinge about rights being taken away in times, places and cultures they have no familiarity with. You're not going to be walking down the street minding your own business and causing no trouble and then breathalysed and sniffed. I am a bit of a libertarian, but what do I care if people looking like causing trouble get sniffed? Heck, even if it happens to me because they do it at random, a dog sniffs me and I get a policeman telling me to have a good night. That seems a small price to pay (arguably a novelty) in exchange for keeping druggies in check. They're not going to target non problem areas anyway, it would only be in times and places prone to violence.

This 'I must live in some special part of the country because I don't see the problem' is absurd. It's like advertising the fact that you don't understand the issue, have no familiarity with it and shouldn't be trying to convince others of your baseless opinions.

Looking at what percentage of *all* violence happens in what way is completely irrelevant. If I am with violent strangers I don't become safer just because somewhere else a lot of people are being attacked by people they know! Regardless of what does or doesn't happen elsewhere, I see a lot of violence in bars and on the streets. Can the people complaining about liberty infringement say they see a lot of it too? Sure, in a perfect world we wouldn't have drug sniffs or breathalysers or locks on doors, but I'll give up my right not to be sniffed by a dog when I'm in a violence-prone situation in exchange for the police having the right to protect me and others from drug-related violence.

Sometimes it sucks that good people need to pay more or not be able to take their pocket knife on a plane or be breathalysed when they drive or pay taxes which cover expenses not related to them, but we do need to look at the big picture and do what keeps things best for everyone.

Very true , all of it, we have no choice but to also be subject to the laws that try to catch the offenders among us.

Prevention is better than cure. If getting drunks of the streets prevents crime and traffic accidents I really don't care if some think their rights are infringed.

Correct, the population in the cities is getting more feral as time goes on, no jobs, no proper education, the only way they can get money is to steal the only way they can feel self esteem of sorts is to lash out physically.

Drugs are a huge problem, legalise them, dish them out to addicts from nominated locations and keep a record of consumption, steer them to rehab but keep the supply up so they dont feel threatened, if you do this the crime rate will plummet as there will be no drug dealing and no need to steal to buy them.

 

[Julia]

So now I'm a racist ? Paranoia is a horrible thing Julia (I seem to be using the roll eyes thing a lot here but it's appropriate)

You used the word "gentile". I gave you a definition of that word and asked what you had actually meant to say. "Gentle" perhaps? I don't know. Would be good if you could clarify. I'm not at all sure where paranoia now is coming in either?

 

[Bill M]

Alcohol itself isn't really the problem, it is more a cultural problem I think. For example in places like Spain or France you can buy 1 litre of red wine for 1 Euro. Yet in those places I don't see the kind of mindless violence like we see here. Same goes for some Asian countries, plenty of grog around for much cheaper prices but very few violent incidences. So what is it about Aussies getting blind then giving someone a hiding or getting into sensless brawls? What about girls glassing other girls in the face? again
p!ssed and agressive behaviour. I've seen chairs get thrown through pub windows and knives get pulled at the cab rank in Manly, and Manly is suppose to be a nice seaside tourist spot.

Anyone who thinks this is a minor thing is deluding themselves, but I don't think the supply of or the price of grog has anything to do with it. Something is culturally wrong here in Australia. The roughest place I ever lived was in the Latrobe Valley in Victoria. I use to go to work on Monday and hear all my work mates bragging about how they gave somebody a good biffing over the weakend, unbelievabe but true, wasn't my kind of place and I was glad to get out of there.

 

[MrBurns]

You used the word "gentile". I gave you a definition of that word and asked what you had actually meant to say. "Gentle" perhaps? I don't know. Would be good if you could clarify. I'm not at all sure where paranoia now is coming in either?

I meant gentile as in gentry but you picked up the mistake and tried to infer I was against Jews , no matter, that was yesterday.

 

[Glen48]

In USA gun companies have stopped taking orders, one company has 1million guns on order for last month, so the others manufacturing guns must be in the same boat.

So if you are worried about violence it is going to get much worse.

And as usual the feds won't do any thing until it is to late.