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Kennas said:These are some of the rules that follow the ten commandments in Chapter 21:
21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
21:13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
This is a bit ambiguous isn't it? It was only a chapter ago he was saying 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' and now he's saying if you say bad words about your folkes you will be put to death? He should have stuck with the one rule I think, and not assisted the Israelites in killing so many people on the way to Palestine. He's lacking a bit of consistency and credibility Himself I reckon. If he was all powerful and omnipotent then He could have at least got the how to manual right in the first place.
kennas said:Ha ha, Bullmarket, the quote he put there was from one of my posts. It's a paragraph out of Exodus, as quoted and unchanged.
I thought that Islam accepted Christ as a prophet? ...
Originally Posted by Kennas
These are some of the rules that follow the ten commandments in Chapter 21:
21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
21:13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
This is a bit ambiguous isn't it? It was only a chapter ago he was saying 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' and now he's saying if you say bad words about your folkes you will be put to death? He should have stuck with the one rule I think, and not assisted the Israelites in killing so many people on the way to Palestine. He's lacking a bit of consistency and credibility Himself I reckon. If he was all powerful and omnipotent then He could have at least got the how to manual right in the first place.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
kennas said:Moses you are right about the OT. It's the Jewish guide to the world, but still the foundation of Christianity.
kennas said:I think we were talking any religion anyway, so the points still stick about religion condoning or encouraging the killing of 'innocent' people.
kennas said:I thought that Islam accepted Christ as a prophet? Just not the Son of God, whoever that is! That's another disucssion....
I see Jesus Christ to be the foundation of Christianity, and the reason why the Bible was written. Why? Because if Jesus was a real historical figure, who really did miracles by the power of God ah la gospel story, and most importantly, if Jesus really was raised from the dead, then we really do have a basis for religious belief, and we really do have a reason to take the Bible seriously.
kennas said:Yeah, I know that Thou Shalt Not Kill and should be the end of it but I wonder why God then tells Moses at other moments that certain transgressions by people are punishable by death. And all that other stuff I quoted from Deuteronomy about the killing of women and children. And didn't God send plagues plagues that kill all the first born and even frogs into Egypt to piss off the Pharaoh.
These are some of the rules that follow the ten commandments in Chapter 21:
21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
21:13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
This is a bit ambiguous isn't it? It was only a chapter ago he was saying 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' and now he's saying if you say bad words about your folkes you will be put to death? He should have stuck with the one rule I think, and not assisted the Israelites in killing so many people on the way to Palestine. He's lacking a bit of consistency and credibility Himself I reckon. If he was all powerful and omnipotent then He could have at least got the how to manual right in the first place.
Bobby said:Well bull tell us more about your theology interpretations ?
Maybe a interdict or twojust to control outhers.
Bob.
'I've Found God' Says Man
Who Cracked Genome
By Steven Swinford
The Sunday Times
6-11-6
THE scientist who led the team that cracked the human genome is to publish a book explaining why he now believes in the existence of God and is convinced that miracles are real.
Francis Collins, the director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, claims there is a rational basis for a creator and that scientific discoveries bring man "closer to God".
His book, The Language of God, to be published in September, will reopen the age-old debate about the relationship between science and faith. "One of the great tragedies of our time is this impression that has been created that science and religion have to be at war," said Collins, 56.
"I don't see that as necessary at all and I think it is deeply disappointing that the shrill voices that occupy the extremes of this spectrum have dominated the stage for the past 20 years."
For Collins, unravelling the human genome did not create a conflict in his mind. Instead, it allowed him to "glimpse at the workings of God".
"When you make a breakthrough it is a moment of scientific exhilaration because you have been on this search and seem to have found it," he said. "But it is also a moment where I at least feel closeness to the creator in the sense of having now perceived something that no human knew before but God knew all along.
"When you have for the first time in front of you this 3.1 billion-letter instruction book that conveys all kinds of information and all kinds of mystery about humankind, you can't survey that going through page after page without a sense of awe. I can't help but look at those pages and have a vague sense that this is giving me a glimpse of God's mind."
Collins joins a line of scientists whose research deepened their belief in God. Isaac Newton, whose discovery of the laws of gravity reshaped our understanding of the universe, said: "This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful being."
Although Einstein revolutionised our thinking about time, gravity and the conversion of matter to energy, he believed the universe had a creator. "I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details," he said. However Galileo was famously questioned by the inquisition and put on trial in 1633 for the "heresy" of claiming that the earth moved around the sun.
Among Collins's most controversial beliefs is that of "theistic evolution", which claims natural selection is the tool that God chose to create man. In his version of the theory, he argues that man will not evolve further.
"I see God's hand at work through the mechanism of evolution. If God chose to create human beings in his image and decided that the mechanism of evolution was an elegant way to accomplish that goal, who are we to say that is not the way," he says.
"Scientifically, the forces of evolution by natural selection have been profoundly affected for humankind by the changes in culture and environment and the expansion of the human species to 6 billion members. So what you see is pretty much what you get."
Collins was an atheist until the age of 27, when as a young doctor he was impressed by the strength that faith gave to some of his most critical patients.
"They had terrible diseases from which they were probably not going to escape, and yet instead of railing at God they seemed to lean on their faith as a source of great comfort and reassurance," he said. "That was interesting, puzzling and unsettling."
He decided to visit a Methodist minister and was given a copy of C S Lewis's Mere Christianity, which argues that God is a rational possibility. The book transformed his life. "It was an argument I was not prepared to hear," he said. "I was very happy with the idea that God didn't exist, and had no interest in me. And yet at the same time, I could not turn away."
His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: "It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, 'I cannot resist this another moment'."
Collins believes that science cannot be used to refute the existence of God because it is confined to the "natural" world. In this light he believes miracles are a real possibility. "If one is willing to accept the existence of God or some supernatural force outside nature then it is not a logical problem to admit that, occasionally, a supernatural force might stage an invasion," he says.
moses said:
What pathetic sort of God would that be? What pathetic sort of creatures would we be?
Moses
It's the greatest ever human invention.
If there was a God as described in the religions of the book, why is he allowing most of the world to go on in disbelief and suffering. The 'you have to have faith' line does not wash for me because it's just an easy way to convince people of something without providing proof. It's the ultimate placebo actually.
bullmarket said:Now, obviously those that don't believe the story of Adam and Eve will say the above is a load of horse manure, but what if the the story of Adam and Eve is true ??
saying 'how can you love eating fish then Mint Man'Mint Man said:I dont like fish and chips
bullmarket said:bobby - that would be going seriously off topic for this thread and I'm not convinced you are genuinely interested anyway, but if you are then start a new thread.
bullmarket
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