Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

What I thought was interesting was how David (sell out) Attenborough's comments, and the reportage thereof, transmogrified over the several days/weeks he was in the news here.

 

[explod]

As it has done for 500,000 years...As I have personally observed for over 80 years.....The reef is NOT dying as those radical Greens try to make out.....What utter propaganda to strengthen their stupid argument about Global warming.

Absolute rubbish, what has died off will not recover. On a substancial drop in sea temperature new reef growth may come back but will take a long time. And that is common knowledge among scientists.

Wonder where you live up there noco, going to be a rough couple of days along the northern coast, so close the window. Such storms are very out of season too.

Anyolehow, the fact that frogs, with us for 800 million years (before the dinosaurs) are suddenly being wiped out in just fifty years is nothing to an ole smoking Joe like your good self.

 

[explod]

What I thought was interesting was how David (sell out) Attenborough's comments, and the reportage thereof, transmogrified over the several days/weeks he was in the news here.

What do you mean sell out. He did not say what was directed or paid for I suppose.

 

[cynic]

Absolute rubbish, what has died off will not recover. On a substancial drop in sea temperature new reef growth may come back but will take a long time. And that is common knowledge among scientists.

Wonder where you live up there noco, going to be a rough couple of days along the northern coast, so close the window. Such storms are very out of season too.

Anyolehow, the fact that frogs, with us for 800 million years (before the dinosaurs) are suddenly being wiped out in just fifty years is nothing to an ole smoking Joe like your good self.

A lot of cells in my body die off never to be seen again also. Just a fact of nature really.

As to those frogs, 800 million years is one heck of a good innings! About time they made room for other species instead of hogging the limelight.

Edit: I forgot to add a reminder about this novel concept called evolution. In order for it to happen, things have to change, species and their habitat. There's this thing called nature and it is nothing to be alarmed about!

 

[noco]

Absolute rubbish, what has died off will not recover. On a substancial drop in sea temperature new reef growth may come back but will take a long time. And that is common knowledge among scientists.

Wonder where you live up there noco, going to be a rough couple of days along the northern coast, so close the window. Such storms are very out of season too.

Anyolehow, the fact that frogs, with us for 800 million years (before the dinosaurs) are suddenly being wiped out in just fifty years is nothing to an ole smoking Joe like your good self.

If you are as astute as you perceive yourself to be, you would have observed that I am from Townsville.....Have been here for nearly 50 years.....I am 42 km from Slashers and Brewers reef off Townsville which I have visited on several occasions....Don't try and tell me I me I am talking rubbish......I don't know where you live but it would not surprise me if you have never ever been any where near the Barrier Reef......My mother was born in Port Douglas in 1897 and she often told me how the reef was affected in her time.

Perhaps you should take a trip sometime to the reef if you have never been there before.....We all mostly white people but we do have a number of Indigenous people here but they are friendly.....We are very friendly people too.....we do have a few unwelcome visitors that swim off the beaches and in the creeks...But if you don't worry them they will not worry you because they are not very friendly if you try to pat them.....Anything else you would like to have some lessons on in North Queensland do not hesitate to ask......I will be here to help you.

BTW..the weather is fine here and enjoying the winter Sun shine......Still getting around in a pair of shorts from the time I get out of bed.
Hope I have been of some help to you.

 

[luutzu]

A lot of cells in my body die off never to be seen again also. Just a fact of nature really.

As to those frogs, 800 million years is one heck of a good innings! About time they made room for other species instead of hogging the limelight.

Edit: I forgot to add a reminder about this novel concept called evolution. In order for it to happen, things have to change, species and their habitat. There's this thing called nature and it is nothing to be alarmed about!

Is there sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek I might have missed?

I'm not sure most people would be so philosophical if they or the one they love go through these "evolution" and death stuff that's just a natural part of evolution.

 

[cynic]

Is there sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek I might have missed?

I'm not sure most people would be so philosophical if they or the one they love go through these "evolution" and death stuff that's just a natural part of evolution.

I am guessing those ancestral climatologists were quite upset when, despite the widely proclaimed efficacy of climate models, their jurassic tariffs failed to reduce the size of their clawprints! The rest is prehistory!

 

[luutzu]

I am guessing those ancestral climatologists were quite upset when, despite the widely proclaimed efficacy of climate models, their jurassic tariffs failed to reduce the size of their clawprints! The rest is prehistory!

sarcasm works better with actual facts AlgoMonk.

 

[cynic]

sarcasm works better with actual facts AlgoMonk.

Prehistory may not repeat, but it certainly rhymes with history! And that's a fact!

 

[explod]

I am only 70 noco and from what you say you are near the ton, so take my hat off to you there ole pal.

I used to visit Townsville on holidays as a kid and as I have said many times on this site, was a shearer around Longreach. Used to go out a lot with my Uncle and my Cousin has a fish wholesale business there established over 45 years ago. I have fished it and swam in it. We used to love diving and swimming underwater to see who could hold thier breath the longest. As an artist from a very young age I loved the colours too.

The reef in clarity of colour had changed enormously 10 years back when I attended a funeral. My Cousin says it has further deteriorated drastically since then. And fish stock, strewth one could go on.

But basically my Family are of the land and I grew up on a farm. Recently retired fully to Bendigo and tapping back into the farming associates I can say we do not need scientists to tell us something is very wrong and the accelleration matches the increase in pollution in my observation.

Was at the local Green's candidate's election launch here yesterday and the thing is, alternative clean power sources are becoming economically very competitive which provides the possibility for huge industry growth and jobs. It is being done overseas big time but of course we will be held back till the big conglomerates can control it all first and thier donation power is great enough to support the right wing fascists of the Govum crooks Ments

 

[noco]

I am only 70 noco and from what you say you are near the ton, so take my hat off to you there ole pal.

I used to visit Townsville on holidays as a kid and as I have said many times on this site, was a shearer around Longreach. Used to go out a lot with my Uncle and my Cousin has a fish wholesale business there established over 45 years ago. I have fished it and swam in it. We used to love diving and swimming underwater to see who could hold thier breath the longest. As an artist from a very young age I loved the colours too.

The reef in clarity of colour had changed enormously 10 years back when I attended a funeral. My Cousin says it has further deteriorated drastically since then. And fish stock, strewth one could go on.

But basically my Family are of the land and I grew up on a farm. Recently retired fully to Bendigo and tapping back into the farming associates I can say we do not need scientists to tell us something is very wrong and the accelleration matches the increase in pollution in my observation.

Was at the local Green's candidate's election launch here yesterday and the thing is, alternative clean power sources are becoming economically very competitive which provides the possibility for huge industry growth and jobs. It is being done overseas big time but of course we will be held back till the big conglomerates can control it all first and thier donation power is great enough to support the right wing fascists of the Govum crooks Ments

THE GREENS ARE AT IT AGAIN......GROSS EXAGGERATION AND DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH AS THEY ARE DOING NOW AND HAVE DONE IN THE PAST....THE GREENS MUST COME CLEAN AND STOP THIS PROPAGANDA.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...g/news-story/99810c83f5a420727b12ab255256774b

Activist scientists and lobby groups have distorted surveys, maps and data to misrepresent the extent and impact of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef, *according to the chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, Russell Reichelt.

A full survey of the reef *released yesterday by the author*ity and the Australian Institute of Marine *Science said 75 per cent of the reef would escape unscathed.

Dr Reichelt said the vast bulk of bleaching damage was confined to the far northern section off Cape York, which had the best prospect of recovery due to the lack of *onshore development and high water quality.

The report emerged as Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten traded political fire on the reef’s future this week at the halfway point of the election campaign.

As Labor announced $500 million towards protecting the reef, the Opposition Leader said: “We will invest in direct environmental management. We will invest in science and research. We will invest in proper reef management.’’

He said if Australia did not spend the money on the reef, “it is in serious danger of being irreparably damaged. If we do not act, our children will rightly ask us why didn’t we.’’

The Prime Minister said the reef and its health were “a great passion of mine and my government’’. He cited the chairman of the World Heritage Committee, Maria Bohmer, who said last year Australia’s management of the Great Barrier Reef was a world-class example of coral reef management. “So there is no question that we are doing a good job,’’ Mr Turnbull said.

Activist groups last week seized on reports that a UN *assessment of the impacts of climate change on iconic Australian World Heritage sites, including the Great Barrier Reef, Kakadu and the Tasmanian Wilderness was censored by Australia. It later emerged that the report the government was accused of censoring was complimentary of the Turnbull government’s actions to protect the Great Barrier Reef.

The political debate and the *release of the authority’s survey results highlights a growing conflict between the lead Barrier Reef agency and the National Coral Bleaching Taskforce headed by Terry Hughes.

Dr Reichelt said the authority had withdrawn from a joint *announcement on coral bleaching with Professor Hughes this week “because we didn’t think it told the whole story”. The taskforce said mass bleaching had killed 35 per cent of corals on the northern and central Great Barrier Reef.

Dr Reichelt said maps accompanying the research had been misleading, exaggerating the *impact. “I don’t know whether it was a deliberate sleight of hand or lack of geographic knowledge but it certainly suits the purpose of the people who sent it out,” he said.

“This is a frightening enough story with the facts, you don’t need to dress them up. We don’t want to be seen as saying there is no *problem out there but we do want people to understand there is a lot of the reef that is unscathed.”

Dr Reichelt said there had been widespread misinterpretation of how much of the reef had died.

“We’ve seen headlines stating that 93 per cent of the reef is prac*tic*ally dead,” he said.

“We’ve also seen reports that 35 per cent, or even 50 per cent, of the entire reef is now gone.

“However, based on our *combined results so far, the overall mortality rate is 22 per cent — and about 85 per cent of that die-off has occurred in the far north *between the tip of Cape York and just north of Lizard Island, 250km north of Cairns. Seventy-five per cent of the reef will come out in a few months time as recovered.”

I AM AFRAID THE GAME IS UP FOR THE GREENS AFTER BEING EXPOSED TODAY.

Bill Shorten's announcement of an injection of $500,000,000 into the reef is an absolute waste of money.....Governments both state and federal have been checking the water ways in NQ for years and have recently discovered some leaching from the NQ Nickel refinery which Clive Palmer' was supposed to have fixed 2 years ago hence the court action that was taken against him.

The main affect on the reef is off Cape York where there is unpolluted run off......The reefs of Townsville have not been affected, so plod don't believe a word the GREENS are ramming down your throat...The Greens do not have leg left to stand on...They are full of lies and deceit.

 

[luutzu]

Prehistory may not repeat, but it certainly rhymes with history! And that's a fact!

The expanse of history you're talking about repeating itself goes for how long? 65 million years?

Don't think people can live with not living for 65 million years.

This century, we're seeing at the level of species extinction as when the asteroid wipe clean the dinosaurs.

Have you noticed any asteroids of similar size or scale hitting our planet lately to have caused such level of species extinction?

No? So it must be something else right?

What could it be?

The weather just getting cold and hot as it normally does?

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And with this species extinction... it is an established fact. Species are dying at rate of something like 1 or two species per year since 1900s.

Normal rate of extinction and evolution are expected to average 1 to 2 every 100 years, not every year.


But maybe all the deniers are right... all these death and destruction are all natural and Earth will heal itself. Just our species' death are part of nature's way, too.

 

[explod]

Russell Reichelt has to be careful with his words as he is a servant of the Federal Government. So I don't buy any of it. And noco, why the bold print in your quotes, it is annoying and a further destraction. A quote should be done as "follows"

The Greens are directed from the bottom up. Policy is developed from branch meetings across the country, their scrutiny, discussion and approval. The others from top down and beware anyone who does not stick to the script.

Its a bit of a contradiction the press picking up on inconsistencies so described. In a democracy one should be able to put ones own individual thoughts out there as part of answers. The knit picking are destractions to keep the electors confused and distracted.

 

[noco]

Russell Reichelt has to be careful with his words as he is a servant of the Federal Government. So I don't buy any of it. And noco, why the bold print in your quotes, it is annoying and a further destraction. A quote should be done as "follows"

The Greens are directed from the bottom up. Policy is developed from branch meetings across the country, their scrutiny, discussion and approval. The others from top down and beware anyone who does not stick to the script.

Its a bit of a contradiction the press picking up on inconsistencies so described. In a democracy one should be able to put ones own individual thoughts out there as part of answers. The knit picking are destractions to keep the electors confused and distracted.

I am sure the voting public would prefer to accept the word on the Great Barrier Reef from the GBRMPA, based just south of Townsville near Tickle Belly Bay, over the Greens.....I don't know how you can say the Federal Government would have any influence over GBRMPA......NB. ..I was president of the AWWA...(The Australian Water and Waste Water Association) some years ago.....I had a close relationship with GBRMPA and had visited their operation several times.......They do not fudge their work like it has been proven about the Greens.

It is your prerogative as which political party you follow but I would be having a close look at the Greens hidden agenda......They do everything behind close doors and the media have to keep their distance......The Greens are mostly Fabians ( socialist or communist ) or what ever you like to name them......The are "WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING".......They believe in central control......profit is a dirty word.....

So plod think hard about who you believe.

 

[explod]

I am sure the voting public would prefer to accept the word on the Great Barrier Reef from the GBRMPA, based just south of Townsville near Tickle Belly Bay, over the Greens.....I don't know how you can say the Federal Government would have any influence over GBRMPA......NB. ..I was president of the AWWA...(The Australian Water and Waste Water Association) some years ago.....I had a close relationship with GBRMPA and had visited their operation several times.......They do not fudge their work like it has been proven about the Greens.

It is your prerogative as which political party you follow but I would be having a close look at the Greens hidden agenda......They do everything behind close doors and the media have to keep their distance......The Greens are mostly Fabians ( socialist or communist ) or what ever you like to name them......The are "WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING".......They believe in central control......profit is a dirty word.....

So plod think hard about who you believe.

Crap, I have been very involved with the Greens for 15 years and can assure you from your take you do not have a clue as to how the party functions.

Back in the 70s as Mayor of a municipalty I had considerable insight into the Liberal Party, knew Malcolm Fraser, Bill Borthwick, Allan Hunt (Father of Greg) and some others at discussion level. The ALP was my party from a youth and know thier workings very well. Both they and the Libs are far removed from the idea of consensus among thier followers for the development of policy. I am with the Green's because they represent the combined (democratic) voice of the membership. Which as a matter of fact is how the AWU worked in my eight years as a young shearer.

And I do not require your assistance noco to think. I have a university Honours Degree (Distinction) and completed the 6 years of promotional studies within Vicpol. What you are used to is telling people what you want because you THINK you are correct, seemingly on all matters.

The Greens are very open and certainly do not operate behind closed doors, anyone is welcome to party meetings at all levels including open invitations to state and federal conferences.

On ABC right now Adam Bant is discussing community owned renewable power companies. Very good concepts.
Very off topic. Apologies

 

[noco]

Crap, I have been very involved with the Greens for 15 years and can assure you from your take you do not have a clue as to how the party functions.

Back in the 70s as Mayor of a municipalty I had considerable insight into the Liberal Party, knew Malcolm Fraser, Bill Borthwick, Allan Hunt (Father of Greg) and some others at discussion level. The ALP was my party from a youth and know thier workings very well. Both they and the Libs are far removed from the idea of consensus among thier followers for the development of policy. I am with the Green's because they represent the combined (democratic) voice of the membership. Which as a matter of fact is how the AWU worked in my eight years as a young shearer.

And I do not require your assistance noco to think. I have a university Honours Degree (Distinction) and completed the 6 years of promotional studies within Vicpol. What you are used to is telling people what you want because you THINK you are correct, seemingly on all matters.

The Greens are very open and certainly do not operate behind closed doors, anyone is welcome to party meetings at all levels including open invitations to state and federal conferences.

On ABC right now Adam Bant is discussing community owned renewable power companies. Very good concepts.
Very off topic. Apologies

Well that is fine plod if you believe in the Greens and would like to live under the RED banner ...go for it.....It is very doubtful the Greens will ever govern in their own right but they may perhaps rail road Labor into forming a coalition...Something Shorten said he would not do.....But we all know how Shorten has flip flopped lately and we all well and truly know Shorten is tarred with the same brush as Gillard.

This environmental jargon the Greens are using is just a front for their hidden agenda...It is called sucker bait......They do do a lot of things in secretracy as is the case when they change leaders....You never hear of any pending change in leadership until it is all over as was the case with Brown and Milne......You will never convince me those two went quietly and we may never know why......I thought Brown was the be end to all end, then Milne took over and things started to go down hill....Di Natalie is a very clever politician and knows the right buttons to push and he is certainly pushing Barnacle Bill's buttons ATM...Shorten is terrified of the Greens ......If Labor and the Liberals gave each other their preferences, the Greens would be in trouble big time......But of course we know that will never happen.

The Greens want to have open borders and allow the people smuggling trade to start up.....They want to bring in another 50,000 refugees.......They are economic illiterate to say the least and will be economics vandals worst than Labor.

Di Natalie forgot he had he had a hobby farm and did not declare it....He says he will stand up for workers penalty rates and then pays people working for him $6 per hour......He is worse than Shorten.

 

[basilio]

Came across some of the latest thoughts from climate scientists on where we go to somehow reduce GG. Geo engineering is now on the radar because frankly the option of using the safer ways of just reducing emissions has run out.

This story opens that discussion. Had a great piece in from a number of climate scientists making their point.

Scientists debate experimenting with climate hacking to prevent catastrophe

Funding for geoengineering computational experiments was mysteriously included in a Senate appropriations bill
Dana Nuccitelli

Wednesday 1 June 2016 20.00 AEST


On his late-night talk show, Jimmy Kimmel recently invited climate scientists to explain that they’re not just messing with us about global warming.

In fact, climate scientists are so worried that we’re going to fail to prevent catastrophic consequences that some are studying how we can hack the climate, also known as “geoengineering.” This approach is essentially viewed as a last-ditch, “break glass in case of emergency” desperation option in the event of such a failure. Some climate scientists view this as a potentially reasonable way to deal with climate change, but others disagree. It’s a controversial topic.

Scientists have proposed various ways that we might use geoengineering to stave off a climate emergency, but one of the most popular involves pumping particles into the atmosphere. Volcanic eruptions spew tiny sulfur dioxide particles (aerosols) into the atmosphere, which reflect sunlight and act to temporarily cool the planet. If humans were to similarly pump aerosols into the atmosphere, in theory we could offset some global warming. This is known as albedo (whiteness) modification, because we would be modifying the Earth’s reflectivity.

If the idea of mimicking a continuous volcanic eruption makes you nervous, you’re not alone. A National Academies of Science (NAS) report warned that the potential side-effects of this type of climate hacking are not well understood or quantified. Moreover, it would not solve the problem of ocean acidification – sometimes referred to as “global warming’s evil twin” – a major threat to marine ecosystems that only 20% of the British public has ever heard of.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...g-with-climate-hacking-to-prevent-catastrophe

 

[noco]

Came across some of the latest thoughts from climate scientists on where we go to somehow reduce GG. Geo engineering is now on the radar because frankly the option of using the safer ways of just reducing emissions has run out.

This story opens that discussion. Had a great piece in from a number of climate scientists making their point.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...g-with-climate-hacking-to-prevent-catastrophe

OMG...The good old communist paper the Guardian again......The paper that exaggerates and distorts the truth by their own admission.......How can any one trust what they say now.

 

[luutzu]

OMG...The good old communist paper the Guardian again......The paper that exaggerates and distorts the truth by their own admission.......How can any one trust what they say now.

Is it a commie conspiracy that there seem to be weekly weather related disasters this past 5 months noco?

Around the world, back to at least a year if I remember right... there's just this new record and that new deadly fire or flood or storm or hurricane. Not the normal seasonal stuff, the serious off the chart killing people event.

Maybe there's some cause for all these, and seeing how lives are lost and home and businesses destroyed... maybe we ought to err on the side of caution? Even if it ends up we're giving in to the Red and Green idiots.

 

[Logique]

Any more of this global warming and we'll need bigger dams. Which of course won't fill

The water storage levels will rise even further during the week after the run off from the massive east coast low on the weekend. Several dams are now at 100% capacity. The largest, Warragamba Dam, is at an unheard of 92.9% capacity, and a wet La Nina winter is expected.

560mm in 3 days at my place.

WaterNSW: http://www.waternsw.com.au/supply/dam-levels/greater-sydneys-dam-levels
6 June 2016 - Dam levels NSW