Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Knobby22]

Guys, look at the latest chart from the Artic, specifically this year so far.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

 

[basilio]

Guys, look at the latest chart from the Artic, specifically this year so far.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

Pretty sobering set of graphs. To see that rate of change in Arctic sea ice over only 35 years is scary. Certainly not something to be dismissed lightly or as just a temporary aberration.

The interesting part is when you click on the individual years from 1980 onwards. There is a steady reduction in sea ice in most years. It's not as if the lines are random with one or two outliers.

 

[CanOz]

Yeah, we're not buying property under 5m above sea level.

 

[basilio]

Yeah, we're not buying property under 5m above sea level.

All well and good but do you seriously think we could have a functioning world if ocean levels rose 3 metres in the next 30 years ? Your property might be physically safe but that could be about all.

 

[cynic]

All well and good but do you seriously think we could have a functioning world if ocean levels rose 3 metres in the next 30 years ? Your property might be physically safe but that could be about all.

Daunting prospect.

It must be yet another cunning ploy by those dastardly aliens seeking to drive us into extinction so that they can overtake our planet!

Damn them. If you don't believe me, simply google the relevant experts in the field of alien invasion conspiracies.

 

[ghotib]

Some bold claims being made on that climatechange centric (check their vision and mission statements if you do not believe me) website there ghotib. Did you happen to notice how they neglected to mention the potential for corruption of their "isotopic fingerprints" by cosmological factors?

Under Education and Outreach? As I said with the link, the material is pitched at high school students. Focussing on the major issues isn't neglect; it's good lesson planning and communication. Of course, NOAA's Earth System Research labs have the advantage over us because they have first hand knowledge of what's major, what's minor, and what the questions are.

 

[cynic]

Under Education and Outreach? As I said with the link, the material is pitched at high school students. Focussing on the major issues isn't neglect; it's good lesson planning and communication. Of course, NOAA's Earth System Research labs have the advantage over us because they have first hand knowledge of what's major, what's minor, and what the questions are.

The section claiming that mass spectroscopy of samples taken from the environment, could somehow discern the fossil fuel contributions to the CO2 within those samples via identification of changes in the ratio of the carbon isotopes.

Did you notice the logical flaws in their process and interpretations of the results?

If all trees have trunks, does that mean Dumbo the flying elephant is a tree?

 

[sptrawler]

NASA article. Not sure if NASA have reason to fake data, but I found this interesting:

Evidence of Arctic Warming




There's even a colour chart for Noco to admonish and play Perry Mason with

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/ArcticIce/arctic_ice3.php

Arctic warming is apparently happening.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...rth's-spin-axis-shifted-by-melting-ice-sheets

 

[cynic]

Arctic warming is apparently happening.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...rth's-spin-axis-shifted-by-melting-ice-sheets

Hmmm. So some scientists have determined that the cart is now driving the horse instead of the other way around!

 

[sptrawler]

Hmmm. So some scientists have determined that the cart is now driving the horse instead of the other way around!

Apparently so, I was just on posting a Tisme post from another thread, personally I don't give a ratz.

But it did make the point that maybe, there is more at play, than cows farting.

 

[noco]

Apparently so, I was just on posting a Tisme post from another thread, personally I don't give a ratz.

But it did make the point that maybe, there is more at play, than cows farting.

Yes..You can tell that until the cows come home but you will have no hope of getting the Greenies to accept it....I tried some time ago to get them on the basic Earth science but without success.


Wait for the response tomorrow....They will have some fictitious story to tell.

 

[ghotib]

The section claiming that mass spectroscopy of samples taken from the environment, could somehow discern the fossil fuel contributions to the CO2 within those samples via identification of changes in the ratio of the carbon isotopes.

Did you notice the logical flaws in their process and interpretations of the results?

If all trees have trunks, does that mean Dumbo the flying elephant is a tree?

No I didn't. Please point them out. But please also bear in mind that the article is not written for experts. If you want to dispute the results you would do better to go to the scientific literature, which will contain much more detail about methods, accuracy, and even the possible need to investigate flying elephants.

 

[noco]

What happened to the dinosaurs?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuet3t9geXo

 

[cynic]

No I didn't. Please point them out. But please also bear in mind that the article is not written for experts. If you want to dispute the results you would do better to go to the scientific literature, which will contain much more detail about methods, accuracy, and even the possible need to investigate flying elephants.

Let me explain it another way. If all elephants have trunks, one might accurately state that Dumbo is an elephant, but does that mean that trees are elephants also?

Can you see how this misapplication of logic appears to have been employed in the use of measures of changed isotopic ratios?

Orr am I going to be accused of walking the Max Planck?

 

[ghotib]

Let me explain it another way. If all elephants have trunks, one might accurately state that Dumbo is an elephant, but does that mean that trees are elephants also?

Can you see how this misapplication of logic appears to have been employed in the use of measures of changed isotopic ratios?

Orr am I going to be accused of walking the Max Planck?

You'll have to say what you mean cynic. I think I know what you think you're saying, but it would be unfair of me to accuse you of anything on the basis of what you didn't say.

 

[SirRumpole]

A few more inconvenient facts for those interested.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/jericho-climate-policy-silence/7424598

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-19/warning-on-tipping-point-for-east-antarctic-glacier/7425362

 

[trainspotter]

Post #7892 sums it up the best

 

[cynic]

You'll have to say what you mean cynic. I think I know what you think you're saying, but it would be unfair of me to accuse you of anything on the basis of what you didn't say.

The relationship between causation and isotopic ratio changes. Is that a one to one relationship?

 

[cynic]

A few more inconvenient facts for those interested.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/jericho-climate-policy-silence/7424598

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-19/warning-on-tipping-point-for-east-antarctic-glacier/7425362

Facts or opinions , and inconvenient to whom?

 

[SirRumpole]

Facts or opinions , and inconvenient to whom?

You could read them and decide for yourself, if you could be bothered.