Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

How often does storm surge and king tides wash away beach front houses in Sydney noco?

I can't imagine it happening every year or seasonal climate changing all the time stuff.

My dear friend, I will take you on a journey back to the 1930's and 40's.

As a kid, my parents would take the family to Palm Beach on the Gold Coast for the annual 2 weeks holiday and then some long weekends..Palm Beach was 100 yards wide and ideal for surfing and fishing.....the sand dunes were 60 to 80 yards wide and you could count the number of houses between the road and the beach on one hand.....there was a 4 Square corner store and a pub......houses were scattered on the western side of the High Way with bush beyond.

On an average of a by annual event, the seas would become angry with king tides and the sand dunes would retreat some 20 to 30 yards towards the road leaving sand cliffs 6' to 8' high....Me and my siblings thought it was great fun jumping off the sand cliffs until my dear mother would scream at us not to do it in fear of being buried alive in a sand slide...Once the weather settled down the prevailing sea winds would blow the dry sands back up to form the original dunes and at times the sand would extend itself onto the road way....It was nature at work.

In 1962 a friend of mine told me of this beautiful block of land he had bought on Palm Beach and had started to build his retirement villa.....When I told him of my observations over the past years, I suggested to him that perhaps one day he may have to build a rock wall to save his house falling into the sea......Old Bill laughed at me....But in 1963, the very next year, natures fury struck again and old Bill had to build a rock wall to stop his house falling into the sea.....It cost him more than the cost of the house......then his next door neighbor had to do the same thing......I visited the Palm Beach a few years ago and was shocked to sea a narrow strip of beach confronted with a rock wall the entire length of the beach with ugly groins jutting out into the sea.

The same thing has been happening along the NSW Coast for years.......It happened several times on Kirra Beach and the narrow strip of land at Southport known as "Narrow Neck" which almost broke through on several occasions.

So I have no sympathy for people who build a house so close to the seas and I condemn the greedy local council at the time for allowing such development......A nature strip should have been the order of the day and Palm Beach would have looked like it was 80 years ago...

Climate change...yes of course it was climate change.

 

[basilio]

Temperature records have been smashed around the world over 2015-16. The result of these extreme temperatures has been hundreds/thousands of deaths by heat stroke.

Wet Bulb at 33 C ”” Human Hothouse Kills Nearly 800 in Pakistan

Human-forced warming of the global climate system is pushing sea surface temperatures in some areas to a maximum of 33 C. Extreme ocean warming that is increasing the amount of latent heat the atmosphere can deliver to human bodies during heatwaves. And near a 33 C sea surface hot zone, the past few days have witnessed extreme heat and related tragic mass casualties in Sindh, Pakistan.

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For Pakistan, the heat and humidity has been deadly. Temperatures over Southeastern Pakistan hit 100 to 113 Fahrenheit (40 to 45 degrees Celsius) during recent days. Night time lows dipped only into the 80s and 90s (30s Celsius). Relative humidity throughout this period has remained above a brutal 50% even during the hottest hours of the day.

Wet bulb temperatures (the wet-bulb temperature is the temperature air has if it is cooled to saturation ”” 100% relative humidity ”” by evaporation) climbed into a dangerous range of 30 to 33 degrees Celsius. This greatly reduced the ability of evaporation at skin level to cool the bodies of human beings exposed to such oppressive temperatures. As a result, people working outdoors, the elderly, or those without access to climate-controlled environments fell under severe risk of heat related injuries.

https://robertscribbler.com/tag/wet-bulb-temperatures-35-c/

 

[trainspotter]

Oh deary deary me ....

“We only have 30 years of good climate data: the satellites tell us the pause is real, and last month’s summer temperatures is not a record anything. According to the UAH and RSS global satellites, lower troposphere averages for July 2014 were 0.30C and 0.34C, compared to July 2015 of 0.28C. Even June 2015 was hotter (UAH, 0.35C; RSS, 0.39C). July 2015 is not even the hottest month since June.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...y-warmest-on-record-lie-debunked-by-nasa-data

As for the heatstroke in Pakistan and India .. happens EVERY year !! With or without an alleged "Hottest June/July on record"

PAKISTAN
June 2015 - 1219 die from heatstroke.

April 2016 - 2 people die from heatstroke.

Last year, more than one thousand people died in a severe three-day heatwave in the metropolis. Nearly 80,000 people were treated for the effects of heatstroke and dehydration, according to medical officials.

The city of 20 million inhabitants is a sprawling metropolis with few green areas, poorly adapted to manage intensely hot weather.

Vast areas of concrete absorb heat during the day and radiate it back at night in what climatologists call the "urban heat island" effect.

http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/333460-Two-persons-die-of-heatstroke-in-Karachi-

INDIA

May 2015 - nearly 1,700 die from heatstroke.

April 2016 - At least 80 people have died of heatstroke in the south Indian states of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32926172

How many people killed in Pakistan per annum from terrorists?

Pakistan saw 3,021 deaths in terrorist attacks in in 2009, up 48% on the year before,

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/pakistan-militant-violence-death-toll

India's death rate according to CIA world factbook is about 7 per 1000. Based on this, 8.4 million people die every year in India which comes to 22,500 per day approximately. From a variety of ways to die.

Considering there is 1,290,439,147 people in India that is pretty good odds eh?

 

[luutzu]

My dear friend, I will take you on a journey back to the 1930's and 40's.

As a kid, my parents would take the family to Palm Beach on the Gold Coast for the annual 2 weeks holiday and then some long weekends..Palm Beach was 100 yards wide and ideal for surfing and fishing.....the sand dunes were 60 to 80 yards wide and you could count the number of houses between the road and the beach on one hand.....there was a 4 Square corner store and a pub......houses were scattered on the western side of the High Way with bush beyond.

On an average of a by annual event, the seas would become angry with king tides and the sand dunes would retreat some 20 to 30 yards towards the road leaving sand cliffs 6' to 8' high....Me and my siblings thought it was great fun jumping off the sand cliffs until my dear mother would scream at us not to do it in fear of being buried alive in a sand slide...Once the weather settled down the prevailing sea winds would blow the dry sands back up to form the original dunes and at times the sand would extend itself onto the road way....It was nature at work.

In 1962 a friend of mine told me of this beautiful block of land he had bought on Palm Beach and had started to build his retirement villa.....When I told him of my observations over the past years, I suggested to him that perhaps one day he may have to build a rock wall to save his house falling into the sea......Old Bill laughed at me....But in 1963, the very next year, natures fury struck again and old Bill had to build a rock wall to stop his house falling into the sea.....It cost him more than the cost of the house......then his next door neighbor had to do the same thing......I visited the Palm Beach a few years ago and was shocked to sea a narrow strip of beach confronted with a rock wall the entire length of the beach with ugly groins jutting out into the sea.

The same thing has been happening along the NSW Coast for years.......It happened several times on Kirra Beach and the narrow strip of land at Southport known as "Narrow Neck" which almost broke through on several occasions.

So I have no sympathy for people who build a house so close to the seas and I condemn the greedy local council at the time for allowing such development......A nature strip should have been the order of the day and Palm Beach would have looked like it was 80 years ago...

Climate change...yes of course it was climate change.

So we should put the recent Sydney storm down to those once-in-a-decade event then ey?

That once in a decade/century list has had a few items added to it this past decade noco.

 

[luutzu]

Oh deary deary me ....



http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...y-warmest-on-record-lie-debunked-by-nasa-data

As for the heatstroke in Pakistan and India .. happens EVERY year !! With or without an alleged "Hottest June/July on record"

PAKISTAN
June 2015 - 1219 die from heatstroke.

April 2016 - 2 people die from heatstroke.



http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/333460-Two-persons-die-of-heatstroke-in-Karachi-

INDIA

May 2015 - nearly 1,700 die from heatstroke.

April 2016 - At least 80 people have died of heatstroke in the south Indian states of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32926172

How many people killed in Pakistan per annum from terrorists?

Pakistan saw 3,021 deaths in terrorist attacks in in 2009, up 48% on the year before,

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/pakistan-militant-violence-death-toll

India's death rate according to CIA world factbook is about 7 per 1000. Based on this, 8.4 million people die every year in India which comes to 22,500 per day approximately. From a variety of ways to die.

Considering there is 1,290,439,147 people in India that is pretty good odds eh?

That is definitely one way to use statistics trainspotter.

 

[noco]

So we should put the recent Sydney storm down to those once-in-a-decade event then ey?

That once in a decade/century list has had a few items added to it this past decade noco.

I do not know how many houses on the Collarroy strip were affected because the news items keep only showing the house with swimming pool on the beach and adjoining houses.......It may well be a once-in-a-decade event..so what?....It has happened before and it will happen again and while some people are stupid enough to build their house right on the sea front which could be susceptible to bad weather, then I still have no sympathy for them.

I have quoted you true facts on Palm Beach as I have known it over the years.

I believe the authorities on the Sunshine Coast have left a lot of nature strips except around the Noosa Heads area.

It is fairly obvious from your previous posts, you would dearly like to blame Global Warming or Climate change or what ever the flavor of the day is for the Greenies.

 

[luutzu]

I do not know how many houses on the Collarroy strip were affected because the news items keep only showing the house with swimming pool on the beach and adjoining houses.......It may well be a once-in-a-decade event..so what?....It has happened before and it will happen again and while some people are stupid enough to build their house right on the sea front which could be susceptible to bad weather, then I still have no sympathy for them.

I have quoted you true facts on Palm Beach as I have known it over the years.

I believe the authorities on the Sunshine Coast have left a lot of nature strips except around the Noosa Heads area.

It is fairly obvious from your previous posts, you would dearly like to blame Global Warming or Climate change or what ever the flavor of the day is for the Greenies.

I don't think anyone is blaming one climate event on CC. I think all scientists look at patterns, severity and frequency.

For example, fracking is believed to cause Earthquake in and around places they operate. Geologists aren't conclusive and can't prove it, and they are not saying that Earthquake doesn't happen... but they looked at historical records of earthquakes in those areas and found the frequencies to be, can't remember, say 1 every 50 years... and since fracking it's more frequent.

Add to that their understanding of how fracking works - breaking rocks with pressure... when you break enough of the foundation, something will give.

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Yea, I don't know why people would build houses on sandy strips, or even face the open ocean directly.

Feng Shui fellow Aussies mate. Have a mountain or something to protect against mother nature a bit.

But lesson from these natural disasters is not so much that they are caused by CC or not (CC do play a role, but let's assume they don't)...

Lesson ought to be that if we could do things to help prevent the possibility of such disaster, maybe it's worth a try - even if it can't help people who decides to be too close to nature for their own good.

 

[trainspotter]

That is definitely one way to use statistics trainspotter.

Read the title of the thread luutzu for clarity

 

[basilio]

Read the title of the thread luutzu for clarity

Perhaps the title of the tread is the problem....

 

[trainspotter]

Perhaps the title of the tread is the problem....

Then start a new thread basilio

CLIMATE HYSTERIA WILL SAVE US

 

[wayneL]

hysteria
hɪˈstɪərɪə/
noun
1.
exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement.
"the anti-Semitic hysteria of the 1890s"
synonyms: frenzy, wildness, feverishness, irrationality; More
2.
an old-fashioned term for a psychological disorder characterized by conversion of psychological stress into physical symptoms (somatization) or a change in self-awareness (such as a fugue state or selective amnesia).

 

[noco]

I don't think anyone is blaming one climate event on CC. I think all scientists look at patterns, severity and frequency.

For example, fracking is believed to cause Earthquake in and around places they operate. Geologists aren't conclusive and can't prove it, and they are not saying that Earthquake doesn't happen... but they looked at historical records of earthquakes in those areas and found the frequencies to be, can't remember, say 1 every 50 years... and since fracking it's more frequent.

Add to that their understanding of how fracking works - breaking rocks with pressure... when you break enough of the foundation, something will give.

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Yea, I don't know why people would build houses on sandy strips, or even face the open ocean directly.

Feng Shui fellow Aussies mate. Have a mountain or something to protect against mother nature a bit.

But lesson from these natural disasters is not so much that they are caused by CC or not (CC do play a role, but let's assume they don't)...

Lesson ought to be that if we could do things to help prevent the possibility of such disaster, maybe it's worth a try - even if it can't help people who decides to be too close to nature for their own good.

Some people are not very wise when it come to real estate......WHEN THINGS GO WRONG THEY WANT TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE......Like my friend old Bill at Palm Beach....I warned him and he did not heed...He and his wife paid the price with tears.

They should follow the unwritten law.....BUYER BEWARE...



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/dde57586e6fda5d543f840b26a6344b0

 

[luutzu]

Some people are not very wise when it come to real estate......WHEN THINGS GO WRONG THEY WANT TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE......Like my friend old Bill at Palm Beach....I warned him and he did not heed...He and his wife paid the price with tears.

They should follow the unwritten law.....BUYER BEWARE...



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/dde57586e6fda5d543f840b26a6344b0

Fair enough for those who didn't know any better, but what about those who have no choice?

Say... the over 200 million people in India who's currently close to famine because the drought kill their crop and they cannot afford the imported food or water? Same with the tens of millions in SE Asia... or the farmers in Australia, US doing it really tough from the drought, then the flood.

Extreme weather, regardless of the cause, will destroy lives and livelihood; and will lead nations to war.

I mean, part of the reasons China is stealing the entire seas far from its mainland is also food and energy resources; it is also upsetting a few other neighbours with diverting water from the Himalayas/Tibet mountains into China itself; then other neighbours along the Mekong River.


So ignore for the moment the scientific community and their green agendas... I don't think humanity can keep keep doing what it has. Then you also have energy security, national security and those jets and missiles needing fossil fuels - a fast depleting resource; then the health effect of smogs.

Anyway, interesting times ahead.

 

[noco]

Fair enough for those who didn't know any better, but what about those who have no choice?

Say... the over 200 million people in India who's currently close to famine because the drought kill their crop and they cannot afford the imported food or water? Same with the tens of millions in SE Asia... or the farmers in Australia, US doing it really tough from the drought, then the flood.

Extreme weather, regardless of the cause, will destroy lives and livelihood; and will lead nations to war.

I mean, part of the reasons China is stealing the entire seas far from its mainland is also food and energy resources; it is also upsetting a few other neighbours with diverting water from the Himalayas/Tibet mountains into China itself; then other neighbours along the Mekong River.


So ignore for the moment the scientific community and their green agendas... I don't think humanity can keep keep doing what it has. Then you also have energy security, national security and those jets and missiles needing fossil fuels - a fast depleting resource; then the health effect of smogs.

Anyway, interesting times ahead.

Yes and those same Indian people are screaming our for our coal to produce cheat power for lighting, pumping, irrigation for growing and processing food.....We need the royalties for mining that coal, we need jobs in those coal mines like Adami wants to provide and what do we get, those stupid Greenies taking out court orders on environmental excuses to prevent the mine from going ahead.......The Greens don't care about those starving people so long as they stop development and progress......The Indian Government want to help those starving people and all we get is hindrance from the barmy army of the Greens.

Now don't come back and tell me the Greens are trying to stop this Global Warming crap....If India does not get our clean and efficient coal they will purchase it else where and we will finish up the losers and that is exactly what they want.......They have the National interest at heart and pigs might fly.

 

[trainspotter]

That is putting it mildly noco

 

[cynic]

... and pigs might fly.

Well some do, but they're the one's that couldn't give a phooey about their carbon footprint!

Pigs and carbon crusaders travelling cattle class!? No way!!

 

[Tisme]

I must admit, to me most of the hysteria seems to come from people trying to assert climate change is not a taxing problem, as it:

1. does not exist or;
2. does not present a danger or;
3. is just a conspiracy theory dreamed up by sheeple scientists and socialists;
4. etc

I tend to think the determined few antagonists are more like "why wasn't I told" Dorry Evans from Number 96, with the rest of us feeling like an exasperated Herb or at best Flo Patterson.

 

[wayneL]

I must admit, to me most of the hysteria seems to come from people trying to assert climate change is not a taxing problem, as it:

1. does not exist or;
2. does not present a danger or;
3. is just a conspiracy theory dreamed up by sheeple scientists and socialists;
4. etc

I tend to think the determined few antagonists are more like "why wasn't I told" Dorry Evans from Number 96, with the rest of us feeling like an exasperated Herb or at best Flo Patterson.

I gave you more credit than that.

Ah alas, alack.....

 

[luutzu]

Yes and those same Indian people are screaming our for our coal to produce cheat power for lighting, pumping, irrigation for growing and processing food.....We need the royalties for mining that coal, we need jobs in those coal mines like Adami wants to provide and what do we get, those stupid Greenies taking out court orders on environmental excuses to prevent the mine from going ahead.......The Greens don't care about those starving people so long as they stop development and progress......The Indian Government want to help those starving people and all we get is hindrance from the barmy army of the Greens.

Now don't come back and tell me the Greens are trying to stop this Global Warming crap....If India does not get our clean and efficient coal they will purchase it else where and we will finish up the losers and that is exactly what they want.......They have the National interest at heart and pigs might fly.

Saw on the news yesterday, could be SBS but then it's about solar so definitely ABC , that some Aussie company is doing pretty well, and also helping, the poor in India's slump with lighting through solar.

The device was a simple small solar panel and provide them with lighting at night. It seems the gov't or power provider dont see the worth in putting a meter on these tent cities.

So we could make money by selling them clean and green energy, one that is affordable to practically all slump dwellers.. or we could just dig coals and say it's a wonderful thing and all you people should enjoy God's creation.

Also saw some news before where Indian farmers living where the grid don't reach have resort to a few solar panels to power their home and farm equipment. The Chinese seem to be ahead of us in that innovation.

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To your point...

Choices noco. Choices and information, or lack thereof.

India being poor, most of its people have more important thing to worry about than whether their minuscule use of electricity harm the planet.

We in the West, being richer and having more choices and options, could - if we want to.

That and Indians may not have been told about Climate Change. I mean, the Canadian still sells them asbestos and Indian factories still have its workers handling the stuff like they're cotton. Then there's some of us who's fighting the commies and greenies for their conspiracies to drive us towards cleaner and non-depleting energy source.

So for the Greens and coal hater... they don't try to stop mining so people like those in India would die or pay more for their electricity... the greens does it so that CC won't kill the crops, the livestocks, the poor.

India is a pretty sunny place. Solar could play a big part in its energy mix. Might work out to be cheaper than coal since you don't need to transport the Sun all the way there.

 

[luutzu]

I must admit, to me most of the hysteria seems to come from people trying to assert climate change is not a taxing problem, as it:

1. does not exist or;
2. does not present a danger or;
3. is just a conspiracy theory dreamed up by sheeple scientists and socialists;
4. etc

I tend to think the determined few antagonists are more like "why wasn't I told" Dorry Evans from Number 96, with the rest of us feeling like an exasperated Herb or at best Flo Patterson.

Update your references Tisme.

That's like me telling my kids about Michael Jackson. Michael who?