Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Its the rising of extremes, a slight warming of the poles is causing increased cloud from the poles which in turn is creating colder spots at times and hotter areas.

Humankind have survived millions of years in relative comfort, but now increasing numbers are perishing from more frequent and warmer heat waves.

Hiding in the sand will not protect anyone from the increasing and observable changes we are witnessing now.

The problem with your speculation here is the the incidence of extreme weather is reducing.

http://www.globalwarming.org/2013/0...-pielke-jr-shares-the-data-with-senate-panel/

 

[luutzu]

The problem with your speculation here is the the incidence of extreme weather is reducing.

http://www.globalwarming.org/2013/0...-pielke-jr-shares-the-data-with-senate-panel/

No risk whatsoever.... yet New York City is spending some $170Billion over next few years to shore up its levies and various other projects to ease flooding and storm surges - the last couple of which floods their rails and clean the shorelines a bit.

There's a headline on Newsweek right now quoting some US coast guard official saying his department now have to deal with more open water the size of continental US due to Arctic melting.

It also has some report about the new Cold War and the race for Arctic oil, gas and shipping. Where Shell is about to drill... and ey, if there's a spill like BP's in the Gulf of Mexico, it'll only cost them 3 months' profit spread over a couple decades...

I like how costs/benefit analysis works when profit is all mine but the destruction of the environment is everybody else's problem and my slap on the wrist.

 

[explod]

The problem with your speculation here is the the incidence of extreme weather is reducing.

http://www.globalwarming.org/2013/0...-pielke-jr-shares-the-data-with-senate-panel/

Yes, had a good read over the link. Very vague as with the notation links and typical of that presented to support the oil and coal lobbies.

In the first chart he uses GDP which we know in substance has dropped in that period.

In the second, Insurance Companies have backed away and reduced thier exposure to storm risk, so this chart is useless.

In the next, he may be right about frequency but certanly not in the intensisty.

In the next, again the erosion of insurance exposur/cover would expain this one.

And on floods, the damage of late as reported on the media, is much more intense and frequent. Of late, two big onesacross the Phillipines, a number across Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

And on droughts, world production has dropped below need and demand. The price of beef has just gone through the roof and as reported on tonights news will be scant on our own supermarket shelves in Australia from now on.

Unlike noco I only have 70 years but as my family background was the land, and as such the weather and seasons effecting crops and livestock production I was exposed to the views and experiences of my Great Grandfather (potatoes) my Grandfather (wheat) and my Dad, (livestock)

 

[wayneL]

Yes, had a good read over the link. Very vague as with the notation links and typical of that presented to support the oil and coal lobbies.

In the first chart he uses GDP which we know in substance has dropped in that period.

In the second, Insurance Companies have backed away and reduced thier exposure to storm risk, so this chart is useless.

In the next, he may be right about frequency but certanly not in the intensisty.

In the next, again the erosion of insurance exposur/cover would expain this one.

And on floods, the damage of late as reported on the media, is much more intense and frequent. Of late, two big onesacross the Phillipines, a number across Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

And on droughts, world production has dropped below need and demand. The price of beef has just gone through the roof and as reported on tonights news will be scant on our own supermarket shelves in Australia from now on.

Unlike noco I only have 70 years but as my family background was the land, and as such the weather and seasons effecting crops and livestock production I was exposed to the views and experiences of my Great Grandfather (potatoes) my Grandfather (wheat) and my Dad, (livestock)

Luutzu, Plod,

Science, data, not heresay please.

and plod, cash cattle price chart for your interest. (Yes US price, but we cannot assign global implications from local conditions)

 

[Knobby22]

Luutzu, Plod,

Science, data, not heresay please.

I agree and from scientific sources instead off biased Senate committees funded to obscure facts and finally figures that are up to date not ending 10 years ago. The truth despite the graph below is that the effect at present is less than 2% which is really quite small when compared to the rarity and other influences of storms. The other problem is data collection, we didn't have satellites 100 years ago. Still it appears visible.

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes

 

[explod]

Luutzu, Plod,

Science, data, not heresay please.

May not be scientific but my personal views and observations are not heresay.

If I quote I append the appropriate acknowledgement; and in a discussion one is entitled to a point of view.

 

[Smurf1976]

And on droughts, world production has dropped below need and demand.

That's at least partly due to population increase rather than drought per se. Keep using more and more of something each year and in due course it gets difficult to maintain adequate supply.

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu, Plod,

Science, data, not heresay please.

and plod, cash cattle price chart for your interest. (Yes US price, but we cannot assign global implications from local conditions)

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What's hearsay to you?

So I must witness it firsthand? I can't listen to Scientists and experts and repeat their findings, especially when it makes a lot of sense? I must do my own research, collect my own data and all that?

I'm a simple man... say i'm at the beach, in the rock pool. A few swimmers and myself could take a leak in the water and it won't make much of a difference... but if everyone else on the beach stop by and relieve themselves in the pool, maybe the safest and smartest thing to do is to get out of the water - and get out long long before you see the line forming.

We know CO2 from fossil fuel is no good - not good for us to breathe in, not good for global temperature. Most of our power comes from fossil, we're using more and more of it each day... and some of us are seriously debating whether that's a smart thing to do or not, whether that would have an impact on life or not.

Heard a few weeks ago some research found that about half of all Indian children in Delhi suffered from lung/breathing disease. The city's air quality is off the scale bad - worst than China's major cities... But ey, it could be their diet or something; maybe it's genetic.


So yea, stand by the pool and keep answering nature's call if you want. Only a couple thousands dead from heat stroke now and then; only a couple million kids suffering from lung disease in India; and extinction rate of wildlife is estimated to be only 100 times more than naturally occurring extinction over a century.

 

[wayneL]

Astonishing

 

[Logique]

Predictions of another Maunder Minimum like Mini-Ice Age during 2030-2045. From the Royal Astronomical Society, respect the science.

But the climate alarmists won't miss a beat. So long as the political response involves wind farms and more expensive electricity generally, more taxes, wealth redistribution and a little bit of social engineering thrown in for good measure.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm

Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to 'mini ice age' levels: Sun driven by double dynamo

Date: July 9, 2015

...Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645....we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago."

 

[luutzu]

Astonishing

What's astonishing is that you could lightly deny or be "skeptical" about a subject that could literally end our species on Earth. And will literally kill thousands each year and millions more from famine and disease before homosapiens and its support system are gone too.

Like I've said before, lazy people like me, with hearsay and what not, we believe the scientists, we support green initiatives, we think that global warming is happening and would support curbing of CO2, support alternative energy... and even if it turns out that this global warming was all a big hoax, at least there's cleaner air to breathe and clean water to drink.

Ever thought what would happen if you're wrong? That Global Warming is real?

But it can't be? And you know that from reading a few report funded by "think tanks"?

Man, if a person close their garrage and leave the engine running - they'll literally die from toxic fume. But, somehow, if millions of those cars and hundreds of thousands of engines and power plants with similar or worst toxin do the same into the atmosphere - there's no consequences, at all!

Does that sound scientific or rational to you?

There's a few report I saw where pretty much all of the residents living near coal power plants, or oil refinery in Texas, or the Koch's chemical plant and the now polluted creeks the Kock use as open sewer... most people living around those die from lung and other cancer. Guess that's just one big coincidence.

Science is more than just plotting charts. And there is no such thing as "scientific certainty" - the best you could hope for is a 95% or a 99% probability of the conclusion being non-random.

To most that's fair enough, to others well that's just "not in" and not good enough.

anyway...

 

[luutzu]

Predictions of another Maunder Minimum like Mini-Ice Age during 2030-2045. From the Royal Astronomical Society, respect the science.

But the climate alarmists won't miss a beat. So long as the political response involves wind farms and more expensive electricity generally, more taxes, wealth redistribution and a little bit of social engineering thrown in for good measure.

What is the purpose of gov't if it doesn't engineer society?

There's been wealth redistribution alright, just it goes the other way and not the way you and popular right winger believe.

When a public asset is privatised, who do you think benefit the most? The public and the consumer or the new owners?

When those "fat and inefficient" public assets are sold, the new owners will first take an axe to the workforce, renegotiate pay and pensions... Guess who pay the bills for workers who got laid off? Their family and CentreLink.

When the asset becomes more efficient and profitable... where does the profit comes from? Higher prices from consumers (the public) and profit goes to private hands - the mom and pop aussie shareholders right?


Even if an informed person is a multi-billionaire, i still don't they'd see these policies as good for society. Yet somehow some of the people who's likely to be most disadvantaged by the policies, supports it.

I guess money will always make more money; and it's not always through compounding interests.

 

[noco]

Man, if a person close their garrage and leave the engine running - they'll literally die from toxic fume. But, somehow, if millions of those cars and hundreds of thousands of engines and power plants with similar or worst toxin do the same into the atmosphere - there's no consequences, at all!

Does that sound scientific or rational to you?



anyway...

Isn't the exhaust from vehicles carbon monoxide?

 

[luutzu]

Isn't the exhaust from vehicles carbon monoxide?

Analogy... for illustrative purposes.

 

[noco]

Predictions of another Maunder Minimum like Mini-Ice Age during 2030-2045. From the Royal Astronomical Society, respect the science.

But the climate alarmists won't miss a beat. So long as the political response involves wind farms and more expensive electricity generally, more taxes, wealth redistribution and a little bit of social engineering thrown in for good measure.

And here is some more modelling on the expected mini ice age.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...n_the_warming_now_warnings_of_a_mini_ice_age/

Global warming hysteria is so yesterday:

The earth is 15 years from a “mini ice-age” that will cause bitterly cold winters during which rivers such as the Thames freeze over, scientists have predicted.

Solar researchers at the University of Northumbria have created a new model of the sun’s activity which they claim produces ”unprecedentedly accurate predictions”.

They said fluid movements within the sun, which are thought to create 11-year cycles in the weather, will converge in such a way that temperatures will fall dramatically in the 2030s.

Don’t question this science! Or was it the last science we weren’t supposed to question? It’s so confusing.

(Thanks to reader Shane and dozens of others.)

 

[noco]

And here is some more modelling on the expected mini ice age.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...n_the_warming_now_warnings_of_a_mini_ice_age/

Global warming hysteria is so yesterday:

The earth is 15 years from a “mini ice-age” that will cause bitterly cold winters during which rivers such as the Thames freeze over, scientists have predicted.

Solar researchers at the University of Northumbria have created a new model of the sun’s activity which they claim produces ”unprecedentedly accurate predictions”.

They said fluid movements within the sun, which are thought to create 11-year cycles in the weather, will converge in such a way that temperatures will fall dramatically in the 2030s.

Don’t question this science! Or was it the last science we weren’t supposed to question? It’s so confusing.

(Thanks to reader Shane and dozens of others.)

More on the mini ice age repeating history which was not man made.......How will the alarmist counter this one?


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-within-15-years/story-fnihsmjt-1227439367667

BREKKIE WRAP: Earth heading for ‘mini ice age’ within 15 years

Rosemarie Lentini and Network Writers
News Corp Australia
July 13, 2015 3:33AM

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Near future ... scientists predict earth will face another “mini ice age” in the next 15

Near future ... scientists predict earth will face another “mini ice age” in the next 15 years. Picture: Supplied

EARTH faces a new “mini ice age” in the next 15 years, bringing year-round snowfields and turning normally ice-free waterways to sleet, scientists predict.

As the Antarctic Vortex grips Australia, solar researchers from the University of Northumbria in the UK say solar activity is set to plummet by 60 per cent in the 2030s.

Research lead Professor Valentina Zharkova said fluid movements within the Sun, believed to create 11-year cycles in the weather, will cancel each other out, triggering a dramatic temperature drop.

This will lead to a weather phenomenon known as a “mini ice age” which previously hit between 1645 and 1715.

The findings are based on a new model which scientists claim produces “unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities” within the Sun’s “heartbeat”.

“[In the cycle between 2030 and around 2040] the two waves exactly mirror each other — peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the sun,” Prof Zharkova said.

“Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a ‘Maunder Minimum’.”

Maunder Minimum was the name given to the period between 1645 and 1715 when Europe and North America experienced very cold winters.

 

[Tisme]

What was the first, second and third laws of thermodynamics?

Of course there is now a fourth law ... because there's an aberrant, cool in an isolated pocket of the planet, there is no application of the first three laws. No matter that places like QLD are gripped in a drought that threatens the livestock industry is pushing up meat prices astronomically.

 

[explod]

And meanwhile the permafrost ice is dissapating under the ice caps letting out the methane.

Yes some extra surface ice is forming during the respective winter months only to dissapear more each summer. And it is simple realy. Warmer at the poles, more cloud spreading from north and south towards the equator giving the appearance that all is ok.

 

[noco]

What was the first, second and third laws of thermodynamics?

Of course there is now a fourth law ... because there's an aberrant, cool in an isolated pocket of the planet, there is no application of the first three laws. No matter that places like QLD are gripped in a drought that threatens the livestock industry is pushing up meat prices astronomically.

Meat prices are rising due to the high export demand and not the drought.

 

[Tisme]

Meat prices are rising due to the high export demand and not the drought.

Not true. Ask you friends who own cattle....... shame on the Nats for not providing relief. Supply and demand Noco, if they all don't die of starvation, which is a real possibility, the selling of the herds that is happening now will cause long term scarcity and sustained higher prices.