Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid dead!

[chops_a_must]

It's interesting that you compare this with a sport. Professional footballers and teams often get caught out of position or have stuffups due to poor communication. Look at the amount of training they do.

It really is not hard to yell, "move left" or "move right" though. That is pretty basic stuff. The fact that they were women, probably means they are less likely to have had that thought process, or the experience in that style of communication.

And far from a containment, from witnesses, it does not seem that was high in their thinking. Sounds like they went at it like a bull at a gate, with very little composure given the background that should have been known to them after his calls to them.

 

[AAA]

And far from a containment, from witnesses, it does not seem that was high in their thinking. Sounds like they went at it like a bull at a gate, with very little composure given the background that should have been known to them after his calls to them.

Get real! As if police can let someone like that wander off whilst they have a meeting and work out the best way to contain the situation. They have to stick with him whilst trying to maintain a safe distance so they don't get stabbed. Someone who doesn't care if he is shot can basically control the situation because short of shooting him police can't stop him going in whatever direction he wants to.

 

[chops_a_must]

Get real! As if police can let someone like that wander off whilst they have a meeting and work out the best way to contain the situation. They have to stick with whilst trying to maintain a safe distance so they don't get stabbed. Someone who wants to get shot can basically control the situation because short of shooting him police can't stop him going in whatever direction he wants.

Right... so they chase someone who is evidently only at risk to themselves or himself, yet want to maintain a safe distance? Sounds like they wanted to be heroes and it backfired badly.

And it has nothing to do with directing him, it has everything to do with guiding the officer who was walking backwards into a corner.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Right... so they chase someone who is evidently only at risk to themselves or himself, yet want to maintain a safe distance? Sounds like they wanted to be heroes and it backfired badly.

Maybe the perfect cop would have done it right

 

[chops_a_must]

Maybe the perfect cop would have done it right

A perfect cop would have closed a section of the road outside my house after a car wrapped itself around a lightpole.

A competent cop would have sufficed.

Instead, the power lines were brought down by a fire truck.

 

[AAA]

Right... so they chase someone who is evidently only at risk to themselves or himself, yet want to maintain a safe distance? Sounds like they wanted to be heroes and it backfired badly.

And it has nothing to do with directing him, it has everything to do with guiding the officer who was walking backwards into a corner.

Do police know that there isn't anyone in the vicinity that this person may stab if they just let him wander off.

You appear absolutely clueless about how disorderly, stressful and dynamic these situations inevitably are. When placed in a stressful situation it is quite common for people to focus entirely on the threat to the extent that everything else is blocked out. There is a technical term for it but I can't remember and am too tired to be bothered to google.

As another poster asked could you please outline how you would have dealt with the situation. Please detail distances you would have tried to keep from the offender. At what point would have you tried to shoot him in the leg.

 

[chops_a_must]

As another poster asked could you please outline how you would have dealt with the situation. Please detail distances you would have tried to keep from the offender. At what point would have you tried to shoot him in the leg.

I've already answered that mate.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

A perfect cop would have closed a section of the road outside my house after a car wrapped itself around a lightpole.

A competent cop would have sufficed.

Instead, the power lines were brought down by a fire truck.

They brought down power lines too? I thought they shot someone.

 

[chops_a_must]

They brought down power lines too? I thought they shot someone.

Just an example that you don't need to be a perfect cop to get the basics right.

 

[AAA]

It may have been that there wasn't anything left they could do in that situation. Who knows? The fact that 3 of them shot, indicates that they were all largely on their weapons, which is what he wanted. Keeping hands away from their holsters in this situation may have been something that could have helped de-escalate the situation. Pepper spraying at less than 15m might have worked as well. Getting the cornered officer to stay away from their gun whilst the others made the call could also have been an option.

You are full of maybes here. Hey! If my life or my colleagues life is at risk I want more then maybe this is what we should do and maybe it will work.http://www.atlanticsignal.com/pages/tpoae.html

Have a read of this link. Have you had any of these experiences whilst playing football.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Just an example that you don't need to be a perfect cop to get the basics right.

So you accept cops have some flaws then?

 

[chops_a_must]

So you accept cops have some flaws then?

Of course.

I think the demographic attracted by the force have more than most.

 

[AAA]

The fact that 3 of them shot, indicates that they were all largely on their weapons, which is what he wanted. Keeping hands away from their holsters in this situation may have been something that could have helped de-escalate the situation.

I would think that in this situation police probably had their weapons drawn. In the half second it would take to unholster he could probably run 3 or 4 metres.

I did this sort of training just a couple of days ago. It was rare for my colleagues and I to complete a senario for the first time without making some tactical mistakes. We are human. Add the stresses of a real life threatening incident it is not surprising that things go wrong.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Of course.

I think the demographic attracted by the force have more than most.

Just like all humans.

 

[Nicks]

THE KID WAS 57 KGS!!!!! 5'7!!!!

I cannot believe some adult cops with batons cant take him out, even with knives.

So what if he had a shaved head. How many men do?

How many teenagers have difficult times? especially growing up without a father.

This whole redneck right wing argument that he deserved to be shot, that our taxes pay for his bludging parents, etc etc is rubbish. A 15 yr old 57kg kid having a disturbed difficult time (thanks to our society no doubt) does not deserve to be shot. Period.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Its certainly a tragedy Nicks.

The fact that he was a troubled youth with no Dad around does
makes it even more of a tragedy.

If I was someone walking in the park and I was approached or threatened
by someone possessing knives who said Im going kill you, regardless if they were 15 or 45.

If I felt a real fear/apprehension of death or GBH to my person, I would do all I could to defend myself.

Im not saying what happened is right. Im just saying it is difficult to know how to respond to this kind of scenario

 

[GumbyLearner]

I found this on the net.

Do you guys think that this tragedy is in anyway comparable
to this episode?

http://winkandgun.blogspot.com/2007/04/michael-moore-gives-out-dayglo-orange.html

 

[numbercruncher]

THE KID WAS 57 KGS!!!!! 5'7!!!!

I cannot believe some adult cops with batons cant take him out, even with knives.

So what if he had a shaved head. How many men do?

How many teenagers have difficult times? especially growing up without a father.

This whole redneck right wing argument that he deserved to be shot, that our taxes pay for his bludging parents, etc etc is rubbish. A 15 yr old 57kg kid having a disturbed difficult time (thanks to our society no doubt) does not deserve to be shot. Period.

I bet a trained and calm understanding voice could of taken this poor child out.

I read 10 bullets were fired at this school boy- damn may as well issue Vic police with Uzi submachine guns ?? 10 bullets ! is that a sick joke ? that isnt to immobilise thats to guarantee death, thats truly disturbing.

The whole leg shot argument about being dangerous is just bollocks considering how many rounds they got off.

 

[GumbyLearner]

I dont think it adds anything to hypotesize what could have happened!

This has happened. The question is why did it happen?

 

[Ageo]

The whole leg shot argument about being dangerous is just bollocks considering how many rounds they got off.

NC: im trying to understand if your being dumb on purpose or thats just you?

how many times have we spoken about shooting in the leg? all these people that say (should have shot in the leg) have obviously never fired a pistol before. Now stop playing your video games or watching CSI because in the real world shooting under difficult circumstances is a different thing altogether.