Another Dog Attack - Sad Story All Round

[SevenFX]

do people actually research their breeds before adding them to a family home ?

temperament was the first on our list ....

Many breeds would dominate the occupants in a SOFT household, given half a chance.

No means No, doesn't it...???? :

SevenFX

 

[Rapture]

Many breeds would dominate the occupants in a SOFT household, given half a chance.

No means No, doesn't it...???? :

SevenFX

Dominate.... YES ... if you let them , it also depends on how they are trained and treated .. But some breeds are bred to have an aggressive nature - your fighting dogs, such as Pit Bulls - and others are toy, lap dogs or working dogs . Wouldn't you say that if it is their nature/breed to be agreesive you would avoid them altogether ?

 

[SevenFX]

Rapture's question prompts me to tell my story from walk last night.

I had my obedienced trained, balanced, friendly & yes playful (seriously) rotty (yes big teeth, but big hearted 2) on walk last night when we came across this couple, with a medium sized bitzer intensily lunging & barking on the end of the lead.

Because I'm (& my rotty) is so used to "Little dog Syndrome" I didn't say anything, but as she (handler) and partner got bit to close with their dog, not seeming to care what their dog was doing...??? I said to her "It may be a good idea if you discourage your dog from being aggressive towards other dogs" hoping to avoid a incident....

Hmmmm though that would/may do the trick...? NOT

She replies, as the dog continues at the end of the lead, I can't do anything, he's been like that for 11 years, and he wont change...????

However I'm not sure if she was hoping to wake one morning, to find the dog a new dog... and observing their behaviour moreso than the dogs, and think they were happy with their dog showing what she may have thought as being a domiment top dog..

It wqas like watchin someone fly a kite.... and couldn't see the partner do anything other than smile through it all...????

p.s Mine didn't even bark once, and his tail was wagging though it all...
SevenFX

 

[Rapture]

Rapture's question prompts me to tell my story from walk last night.

I had my obedienced trained, balanced, friendly & yes playful (seriously) rotty (yes big teeth, but big hearted 2) on walk last night when we came across this couple, with a medium sized bitzer intensily lunging & barking on the end of the lead.

Because I'm (& my rotty) is so used to "Little dog Syndrome" I didn't say anything, but as she (handler) and partner got bit to close with their dog, not seeming to care what their dog was doing...??? I said to her "It may be a good idea if you discourage your dog from being aggressive towards other dogs" hoping to avoid a incident....

Hmmmm though that would/may do the trick...? NOT

She replies, as the dog continues at the end of the lead, I can't do anything, he's been like that for 11 years, and he wont change...????

However I'm not sure if she was hoping to wake one morning, to find the dog a new dog... and observing their behaviour moreso than the dogs, and think they were happy with their dog showing what she may have thought as being a domiment top dog..

It wqas like watchin someone fly a kite.... and couldn't see the partner do anything other than smile through it all...????

p.s Mine didn't even bark once, and his tail was wagging though it all...
SevenFX

Seems like the dogs above are a reflection of their owners . . I agree with your comment to the owners .. Dogs, like children, need to know what is and what isn't acceptable behaviour..

I'm not a fan of yappy little dogs either ( I do love dogs .. honestly ) .. Alot of them are over pampered, and due to their "cuteness" are at times oevr looked when it comes to training and obedience .. IMO

Now in case anyone gets upset or defensive .. I did say most not all ...

 

[SevenFX]

Dogs, like children, need to know what is and what isn't acceptable behaviour..

I used to describe teaching (not training) children as being very similar to teaching dogs, esp puppies, but not anymore as parents never seem to assimulate the two together...????

But Yes have to agree with both you and dog understanding what acceptable behaviour means.

Dogs understand through repetitive patterns, and thats the one thing some people aren't good at.

SevenFX

 

[2020hindsight]

Tek - howdy
I think you said you have a rotty.?
My dog is part rotty at least (her mum got around a bit though). - actually she was part of an abandoned litter, and I picked her up at the RSPCA.

I've always thought that the use of rotties in the movie "the omen" - where they take the devil's side (forget the details) - just before the lightning bolt brings down the metal spike that skewers the bloke diagonally at the end - was unfair on rotties' reputation.

Rottie owners should file a class action for "defamation of character" (IMO)

 

[2020hindsight]

I used to describe teaching (not training) children as being very similar to teaching dogs, esp puppies, but not anymore as parents never seem to assimulate the two together...????

Dogs understand through repetitive patterns, and thats the one thing some people aren't good at. SevenFX

I recall the dog trainer telling me "you keep trying, and finally, eventually, if you're patient, perhaps, after a while, .. the dog will do something right !! ...

and the praise em to the sky !!!

And I thought - "WOW! - just like teaching kids baseball!! "

 

[nioka]

Tek - howdy
I think you said you have a rotty.?
My dog is part rotty at least (her mum got around a bit though). - actually she was part of an abandoned litter, and I picked her up at the RSPCA.

I've always thought that the use of rotties in the movie "the omen" - where they take the devil's side (forget the details) - just before the lightning bolt brings down the metal spike that skewers the bloke diagonally at the end - was unfair on rotties' reputation.

Rottie owners should file a class action for "defamation of character" (IMO)

Isn't it doberman that is used that way in the movies and not a rottie. We have a rottie staffie cross at the moment. She has a fearsome bark and is aloof but is more likely to lick someone to death than attack. Her predecessor was a pure rottie with the same temperament. They really are gentle giants. However it would be easy to make that type of dog dangerous if they were treated or trained that way, simply because of their size and strong jaws.

 

[2020hindsight]

nioka
i have friends with 2 staffies - So weird - they love people but hate other dogs.
I mean they have already killed a visitor's dog!

I know someone who owns a farm who had the same problem - visitors arrived with some fancy poodle or labradoodle or something , and the pack of cattle dogs on the farm killed it

not a good look if you want visitors to come back for a return visit , lol

PSA speaking of doberman's - how's this story .....
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=218228&highlight=doberman#post218228

 

[Happy]

From Yahoo7, 3 Dec. 07
ATTACK DOG SPRUNG FROM POUND'S DEATH ROW


A Victorian council is pleading for the public's help to recapture a dangerous dog which was stolen from a pound before it could be put down.
The Great Dane St Bernard cross, called Tyson, was to be euthanased last week over an attack in October last year which left a Melbourne woman with serious facial injuries, including a broken nose.
But the dog disappeared from the RSPCA shelter in East Burwood, Melbourne, after intruders smashed their way in through a window and broke into the seized dog section on Sunday, November 25.
In October this year, the City of Port Phillip successfully prosecuted Tyson's owner Dale Harbinson over last year's attack and ordered the dog be destroyed.

"We didn't take this decision lightly. Mr Harbinson was able to appeal and did so. However, in the interests of public safety, the council decided to proceed with its initial decision," Port Phillip mayor Janet Bolitho said.

"Now, this dangerous dog has been stolen and may again pose a threat to the public.
"Whoever has the dog may not realise that they have committed a serious offence which could result in fines or even jail time and that's without taking the criminal damage to the RSPCA into account. The dog ... is a menace to Melbourne."
Victoria Police is investigating the RSPCA break-in and has interviewed Tyson's owner.

Law means less and less, scary stuff.

 

[Happy]

From ABC, 20 Jan. 08


ESCAPED PIT BULLS KILL HORSE


Rangers are investigating an incident in which two pit bull terriers attacked and killed a horse at a property south of Perth.
Rangers were called to the Lakelands property to capture the two dogs, which had escaped from their owner.
A spokesman for the City of Mandurah says pit bull terriers are automatically registered as dangerous dogs and are required, by law, to be restrained at all times.
The dogs have been impounded.

Laws, rules, regulations, they are all only as good as paper on which they are written.

Until next attack, laws, rules and regulations will give us false sense of security.

 

[Julia]

Happy, your second to last post: I'm a bit surprised at the combination of a Great Dane/St Bernard being aggressive. Both these breeds are usually very peaceful and gentle. Sometimes I wonder about the breeding classifications given to dogs, e.g. over the years I've come across hundreds of people who say "I love German Shepherds", and indicate their dog. The creature they are referring to might have a bit of G. Shepherd somewhere but it is by no means a purebred dog.

So when media reports appear naming a breed of dog involved in an attack I always take it with a grain of salt.

Also,I just don't think it's possible to classify a breed as entirely one type of personality. I've had a number of Shepherds over the years and they have ranged from complete wusses who never even barked when someone approached our property, to the very territorial, protective one at present who won't let anyone near without my OK.

Just one other thing as a note to owners of little dogs. Please train your small dogs to be sensible around bigger breeds. So many owners of little dogs think it's oh so cute when their little yapper rushes up aggressively to a large dog. They stand there and say stuff like "Oh look at Bozo: he thinks he's a Rottweiler, he's got such a strong personality". Most large dogs if properly trained will ignore this provocative behaviour but if it persists and the big dog continues to have his heels snapped at, then some sort of retaliation is going to occur.

 

[Happy]

Julia,
I am not expert on breeds and dogs behaviour, but I know that dogs can behave quite differently with or without their owners presence and with or without presence of other dogs.

All I would like to be able to do, is go for a walk and not wander if dog is going just to walk past me or only jump on me or attack me, when law of the land says that dog should be on a leash in full control of the owner.

 

[Julia]

Julia,
I am not expert on breeds and dogs behaviour, but I know that dogs can behave quite differently with or without their owners presence and with or without presence of other dogs.

All I would like to be able to do, is go for a walk and not wander if dog is going just to walk past me or only jump on me or attack me, when law of the land says that dog should be on a leash in full control of the owner.

I completely agree, Happy.
I'd suggest that, if you have any problems with dogs, you make a complaint to your local council. I guess they vary in their diligence about following up complaints, but where I live they take any complaint very seriously.

Beaches can be an area of difficulty in that there are several which are designated off leash areas for dogs within certain hours. Probably best for non dog owners to avoid these areas at those times.

 

[Happy]

From Nine MSN, 07:46 AEST Tue Aug 4 2009

NZ WOMAN MAULED BY EIGHT HUNTING DOGS

A New Zealand woman has suffered serious injuries from multiple bite wounds after eight pig hunting dogs attacked her as she jogged past a rural property on North Island, police say.
The woman suffered scores of bites to her scalp, arms and legs before the dogs ran off. Rescue services flew her to Waikato Hospital by helicopter, where she had nine hours of surgery overnight on Monday, emergency specialist John Bonning said on Tuesday.
"There were serious injuries pretty much all over her body," said Sergeant Jason Shailer of Te Awamutu police in central North Island.
The woman, Margit Christensen, 36, told him she curled into the foetal position to protect herself during the 15-minute attack - a move that saved her life, he told National Radio.
"She was the most seriously injured person that been injured by dog bites I have ever seen. She had injuries all over her body - to her arms, her neck, her back, her legs and it sounds like an absolutely horrific attack," he said.
"Blood loss is certainly a way you can die from injuries such as these," he added.
The woman was in a stable condition after extensive surgery, but Bonning said she faces many skin graft operations.
Shailer said the dogs had been seized and destroyed after their owner signed a destruction order.
A decision on whether the owner would be charged over the attack by his unrestrained pig-hunting dogs will be made later on Tuesday, Shailer said.
The woman's mauling follows a similar attack on a teenage cyclist a year ago by four pig-hunting dogs that bit the 13-year-old more than 100 times. He was saved when a passing woman motorist pulled him into the safety of her car.
A woman and a man died in separate dogs attacks in recent years and several children have been badly mauled. New Zealand dog control laws have been stiffened to require the destruction of animals involved.

I only hope that one day it is not me!

 

[Surfer35]

These dogs should all have been given a Schmako for their efforts toward reducing our numbers.

 

[dutchie]

Another toddler killed by vicious dog.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...-dog-burned-down/story-e6frf7jx-1226117129682

How many more children need to be killed (injured) before something is done?

Disgraceful - owners should be jailed - no excuses!

 

[Knobby22]

I agree dutchie.

There is a famous experiment where the Russians tamed foxes.
They chose for temeprament and juvenile traits and sure enough they got tamed foxes.
They also took a seperate batch and picked the most viscious animals to breed, they got foxew that will attack hmans with no fear.

It is obvious to me that these pitbulls are being chosen for bad traits of visciousness at birth and are really being "untamed". The people breeding these creatures should not be allowed to continue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

 

[pixel]

It is obvious to me that these pitbulls are being chosen for bad traits of visciousness at birth and are really being "untamed". The people breeding these creatures should not be allowed to continue.

The people that hold these creatures should be institutionalised or at least referred to a shrink.
Seems their self esteem is so puny that they can only put on a macho facade by being seen to "control" a pitbull - or similar dangerous beast. I have no sympathy for them, but every sympathy for the innocent victims and their bereft families.

 

[Happy]

Terrible news and unnecessary death.
What makes this one worse is that dog escaped somebody else’s yard.

Suppose the only one worse than this case was information on how girl was eaten alive by brown bear and all she could do is call her stepmother on a phone.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8286927/mother-hears-bear-cubs-eat-daughter