Half my family are now expats because of what they can earn overseas. If this economy dives because of Labours focus on social issues instead of economic issues I think the expac percentange will increase, and social unrest could go anywhere.
and 2020, 1) i don't have kids 2) if i abused my kids then i suppose they should be taken away, which is the policy today for most people (except aboriginals it seems)
Just heard on radio news.
Dalai Lama has written to Kevin Rudd saying "sorry" was the right thing to do.
Helping people is not about giving them handouts. It is about giving back their sense of self esteem, so that they can help themselves. Dont give a man a bag of rice ready to cook - give him the knowledge to grow and harvest the rice himself.
Yes, and your exchange has been an example of two people being prepared to do just that. Doubt you'll ever agree, but you've both shown respect for the other's point of view - something to be much admired and emulated.We have had our barney's, haven't we! How do we learn though? By listening, taking on board, accepting others thoughts, discussing, maybe convincing: - I am sure we have both learnt a lot!
Once again another poster boo-hooing over money that they feel should have gone to them or similar - no discussion of the principles or past events , facts etc
Boo freakin' hoo - cry me a river. You've got no idea what you're talking about - what generalised rubbish.
And really what a laugh ...as for Geoff Clarke - who gives a fat rats? - one person doesn't represent the aboriginal race just the same as any number of scumbag whites don't represent their race.
How's your bitterness and greed going?
From ABC, 15 Feb. 08
INTERNATIONAL LAW COULD BE USED FOR STOLEN GENERATIONS COMPO
A Northern Territory law expert says this week's historic apology to the Stolen Generations will not enhance the ability of Aboriginal people to claim compensation from the federal, state or territory governments.
Matthew Storey led an unsuccessful Stolen Generations compensation case for Lorna Cubillo and Peter Gunner a decade ago.
Mr Storey, who is the head of Charles Darwin University's Law Department, says Federal Parliament's 'sorry' motion will not open a floodgate of similar claims.
But he says international law could be applied.
"International law would see the situation of the Stolen Generations as one of a gross violation of human rights and has it's own analysis of the appropriate way to deal with that.
"The appropriate way under international law is to pay compensation as part of a reparations package."
Prospector, earlier in this thread I suggested that, rather than send teams of builders to the communities to build houses, better to send people who can teach the local people to build their own houses, to work alongside them.
Then, hopefully, the finished houses will be lived in with a pride of achievement and ownership and cared for accordingly. Wouldn't this be a start to changing attitudes amongst both races?
Yes, and your exchange has been an example of two people being prepared to do just that. Doubt you'll ever agree, but you've both shown respect for the other's point of view - something to be much admired and emulated.
Prospector, earlier in this thread I suggested that, rather than send teams of builders to the communities to build houses, better to send people who can teach the local people to build their own houses, to work alongside them.
Then, hopefully, the finished houses will be lived in with a pride of achievement and ownership and cared for accordingly. Wouldn't this be a start to changing attitudes amongst both races?
Yes, and your exchange has been an example of two people being prepared to do just that. Doubt you'll ever agree, but you've both shown respect for the other's point of view - something to be much admired and emulated.
From Yahoo7
Friday February 15 2008, 11:22 AM
GILLARD REITERATES OPPOSITION TO COMPO
The federal government says it remains opposed to compensation for the stolen generation, despite plans for Victoria's first stolen generation claim.
Days after Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's historic apology, Reservoir man Neville Austin, 44, revealed plans to launch an action against Victoria in the first case of its kind.
His barrister Jack Rush QC said he had been working on the case with Mr Austin for 12 months.
But Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard reiterated the government's stance against compensation.
"We have said no to compensation, there have been people who have asked the federal government to create a national compensation fund," Ms Gillard told Fairfax Radio Network.
But she said she would have to check with Attorney-General Robert McClelland to see if the government would be specifically represented in the Austin case.
The head of Stolen Generations Victoria and Mr Austin's cousin, Lyn Austin, said while she could not comment on Mr Austin's case, dozens more were preparing similar claims.
"I cannot make comment on that case at all, but ... I do know that there are another 30 or 40 that are going to be doing a civil action claim," she told ABC radio in Melbourne.
Prospector......I do beleive that Julia has just paid both of us a compliment.
Isn't she nice?
Thank you Julia. We'll continue exercising restraint by speaking politely and resisting the urge to rip out each other's throats!
some aboriginal people have the skills and motovation to build their own houses, but very few have any respect, pride or anything else for their own or anyone elses property
below is the article on the first payout of the "stolen "generation
dont the facts show everybody that he was better in foster care?
He was 13 months old... under the authority of the Aborigines Protection Board, he was given to a woman who became his foster parent, without the permission of his parents
his father died at a young age, his mother couldnt care for him, so isnt this the same as a child welfare organisation taking away a child , black or white for their own good?
and to the children of these people. where do you think you would be living today if it werent for the government.
in a nice house, going to school, having a job,
or sitting in squalor in some town camp, an alcoholic with a short life expectancy, diabetes, no job, house, anything
so i again i say sorry. sorry that we gave you a future, a longer life, an education, better health,
Why they turned their backs 14 February 2008, 10:30 Ali Cobby Eckermann
Yesterday morning I sat in my house at Titjikala, on the edge of the Simpson Desert, with kinship family and friends watching Prime Minister Kevin Rudd give his apology to the Stolen Generations of Australia.
An overdue and unbelievable moment.
I could not fault his speech, and the applause that followed was very heartfelt and I hope was felt right across the nation. I loved how he walked to warmly embrace the members of the Stolen Generations in the Parliament – actions follow words. Some of those people are known to us.
I felt tense listening to the following speech by Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson.
Maybe his speech was given with 'good intent', as indeed he reminded listeners that the removal policies were issued also with 'good intent'.
I did not need his reminders of the past or reminders of the issues that Indigenous people face today. I wondered how many hours (not days) he has actually spent sitting under the trees listening to Aboriginal people in remote community.
Segments of his speech reminded me of my childhood, trying to fit into a model of society that did not match my thoughts and feelings and went against my DNA. No matter how much I tried I always fell short of the benchmark and was often punished for that.
I don't remember being asked how I felt, what I wanted to do or hearing, 'gee you look sad, is there anything I can do?'
And Mr Nelson - of course I know all the personal gains I received from growing up with my much loved adopted Lutheran family. I also remember how hard it was fitting in to the local community where I was raised.
When the crowds turned their backs during his speech I understood their actions.
I think he gave a somewhat selfish speech, trying to justify the past 11 'reconciliation-squashing' years under the Howard Government. ....
.... At least Mr Nelson said 'sorry' in the end and people's high spirits could soar again. His speech is still historic, and his legacy.
But the day was not about Brendan Nelson or his political party!
The day was about finally recognising this chapter in Australian history. About finally acknowledging the injustices that have caused so much pain and suffering. About finally allowing all Australians to come together for healing.
It may take some time but hey, it was a bloody great start yesterday morning.
It felt good to remember that Mr Nelson is not the leader of our country, that Kevin Rudd is Prime Minister. God bless you Kevin!
below is the article on the first payout of the "stolen "generation
dont the facts show everybody that he was better in foster care?
his father died at a young age, his mother couldnt care for him, so isnt this the same as a child welfare organisation taking away a child , black or white for their own good?
and to the children of these people. where do you think you would be living today if it werent for the government. in a nice house, going to school, having a job, or sitting in squalor in some town camp, an alcoholic with a short life expectancy, diabetes, no job, house, anything.
so i again i say sorry. sorry that we gave you a future, a longer life, an education, better health,
THE first member of the stolen generation to successfully sue for compensation has been awarded another $250,000 on top of his historic payout.
Victorian Bruce Trevorrow, 51, last August won $525,000 for false imprisonment, pain and suffering after he was taken from his parents when he was just over a year old.
The latest payout comes as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd prepares to use a legal loophole to avoid compensation claims when he makes his stolen generation apology.
Constitutional law expert George Williams said parliamentary privilege would give the Government "iron-clad" protection from payout claims.
"No liability can arise so long as it is done in Parliament. What is said in Parliament cannot be questioned in court," he said.
Yesterday, the South Australian Supreme Court awarded Mr Trevorrow an extra $250,000 in lieu of interest.
Mr Trevorrow's lawyers had argued he should get $800,000 in interest, calculated from the time he was removed from his family, while the state argued he should receive $75,500.
Mr Trevorrow was not in court yesterday.
Outside court yesterday, his lawyer, Claire O'Connor, called on the states to set up a compensation scheme for stolen generation members.
Individuals suing for compensation were creating an expensive and time-consuming process, she said.
"Now that we have this judgment that explains liability and explains practice, it would be, I think, preferable to set up a compensation scheme," Ms O'Connor said.
"They've got to be cheaper."
Tasmania has established a compensation fund and last year South Australia sought a report on its effectiveness.
SA Attorney-General Michael Atkinson said the state's Crown Solicitor was considering whether to appeal against points of law in yesterday's judgment.
After last year's $525,000 payout, Mr Trevorrow said: "At the end of the day you can't put a dollar value on what has happened to me."
He was 13 months old when on Christmas Day, 1957, he was driven from his Coorong home southeast of Adelaide to Adelaide's Children's Hospital with stomach pains.
Two weeks later, under the authority of the Aborigines Protection Board, he was given to a woman who became his foster parent, without the permission of his parents. About six months later, Mr Trevorrow's mother wrote to the board asking when she could have her son back.
"I am writing to ask if you would let me know how baby Bruce is and how long before I can have him home?" she wrote in July 1958.
"I have not forgot I have a son in there."
The court heard the hospital lied, telling her the baby was making good progress and needed to stay for treatment.
Mr Trevorrow never again saw his father, who died eight years later.
His foster family told him he was white, even as children taunted him with slurs such as "boong" and "darkie".
He developed psychological and behavioural problems.
At three years old, he had trichotilliomania, where children pull out their hair.
He was diagnosed as depressed, had a speech defect and chewed his clothing.
After repeated threats to give him away, he was returned to his mother and siblings when he was nine.
It was only then he found out he was an Aborigine.
However, his mother was unable to care for him, and at 10 he was placed into institutional care.
Mr Trevorrow suffered life-long depression and insecurity, and became an alcoholic.
Last year, Justice Gray found the SA Government had acted without legal authority when it placed Mr Trevorrow with a foster family and had been a material cause of his depression.
The state denied it unlawfully removed Mr Trevorrow.
If your so serious about human rights.. then you will boycott the China Olympics... right ?... Wonder what all the political prisoners in Chinese cells think of the Olympics....do you care...?Does anyone care to give one example of success in a country that uses human rights abuses to improve society?
Howard was buying votes and exploiting the racist element of society by saying Australians should not have to say sorry.
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