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US Election Thread

Now that the 2024 election is (almost) done and dusted, we need to turn our attention to the 2028 presidential election.
Both major will have to find a new candidate, the GOP because Trump will have served two terms, Democrats because Kamala Harris has lost twice.
Firstly, in the primary where Biden was chosen in 2020 (she dropped out when miles behind with democrat voters very early on in the primary), and secondly she was soundly trounced by the rest of the voters in the presidential race.
Despite this, according to Puck polling company, it seems that among the democrat voters, Harris is still the favourite, and has the biggest percentage of democrat voters wanting he to run again.
For the GOP, Vice president elect J.D. Vance is less popular among potential voters than Harris.
Can't wait for the next round of election media headlines to start(or perhaps they have already started?).
Mick
 
How could they even consider Harris?
I think someone else rises to the top. Online there's a big division where a breakaway group of dem voters want a moderate. Installed puppets are not going to make it.
 
Came across this article on "What do Americans think ?" or do they ?

Americans Have One Very Strange Cognitive Bias

Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love The People.​


Jonathan V. Last

1. Perceptions​

Yesterday Jemele Hill recirculated a study YouGov did in 2022 about the gaps between people’s perceptions and reality.

YouGov asked a series of questions on “What percentage of Americans do you think are [fill in the blank]?” With the [blank] being all sorts of qualities: black, gay, Christian, left-handed, own a passport, etc.

The results were hilarious. Here are some of the percentages that Americans (on average) think their fellow citizens are:

  • Transgender: 21 percent
  • Muslim: 27 percent
  • Jewish: 30 percent
  • Black: 41 percent
  • Live in New York City: 30 percent
  • Gay or lesbian: 30 percent
We’ll get to the actual, in vivo percentages in a moment. First I want to point out the absurdity: 1-in-3 are gay/lesbian? Muslims and Jews make up 57 percent of the country? Blacks are 40 percent of the population?

Not to be crass, but if a third of the population is gay/lesbian then where are all the kids coming from?

If a quarter of the country is Muslim and a third is Jewish, then mosques plus synagogues would outnumber churches. Does anyone see more mosques and synagogues than churches as they drive around?

If 40 percent of the country is black then wouldn’t there be a lot more black people in Congress? I mean, there have only been 12 African-American senators ever.

You see what I mean: These perceptions do not square with any version of observable reality. Here the numbers as they actually exist in the real world:

  • Transgender: 1 percent
  • Muslim: 1 percent
  • Jewish: 2 percent
  • Black: 12 percent
  • Live in New York City: 2 percent¹
  • Gay or lesbian: 3 percent
We are talking about errors of perception measured by orders of magnitude. On the trans population, the average American’s estimation is off by 2,000 percent.


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If you go down the list of characteristics YouGov asked people abut, you see a persistent mistake in one direction: Americans vastly overestimate the numbers of people in minority groups. And by “minority groups” I’m not just talking about racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities. They wildly overestimate all kinds of minorities.

For instance, in addition to believing that 30 percent of the country lives in NYC, the average American thinks that 30 percent of the country lives in Texas and 32 percent lives in California.²

People think that 20 percent of the country makes $1 million (or more) per year (real number: less than 1 percent); that 54 percent of the country owns guns (real number: 32 percent); that 40 percent of the country served in the military (real number: 6 percent); and that 30 percent of the country is vegetarian (real number: 5 percent).


There’s something interesting going on here that speaks to a particularly American cognitive bias.

You might think that a normal bias would be to look around, see what is common in your experience, and extrapolate to believe that this is also for true of the rest of the world. Instead, we have the opposite.

People see very few of these characteristics in their everyday lives—and then decide that the rest of the world must be full of these minority groups they rarely encounter.

For someone living in a middle-class suburb of Cleveland, how many trans people, or Muslims, or millionaires do they meet on a daily basis? I’m guessing, just based on statistics, that the answer approaches zero.

But this average person takes the absence of those minority groups in their life and assumes that the rest of the country is chockablock with them.

That is a strange kind of bias. But wait—there’s more!

As YouGov kept going they found that people generally underestimate the size of majority populations. Here’s what they found on majority characteristics, where the number in blue is the percentage that people think exists and the number in red is the percentage that actually exists.

I would like to propose that this peculiar perception bias is indicative of something deep in the American psyche.

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2. Paranoia​

American politics has long been driven by concerns about The Other.

Often The Other is based on race or ethnicity. Sometimes on wealth. Sometimes it’s about class.

These perception gaps suggest that Americans in the majority are deeply paranoid about their own position relative to The Other. They believe that people who are nothing like them make up some massive but invisible bloc, while the people who are very much like them—who they see every day at the store and in school—are more rare than they wish.

This distorted perception leads people in majorities to a combative, oppositional politics. They worry about being displaced by minorities they rarely encounter but fear are lurking somewhere, out there, in great masses.

Richard Hofstadter wrote about the paranoid style in American politics in 1964 and he was looking at both the contemporary and the historical. Developments since then have mostly confirmed his thesis. I think we can take it as read that paranoia is an important component of American social and political life.

And if this is the case, then I would say that our bizarre perception bias is both symptom and cause. People are paranoid about The Other, which is why they believe that hordes of The Other must exist. And the belief that their own majority group is small while The Other is large feeds the underlying paranoia.


I’m not sure how democracy is supposed to work with a population that is this paranoid, confused, and oblivious to reality.

Maybe you have some ideas. If so, please discuss them—and our cognitive bias—in the comments.


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Those numbers actually square with my own neighborhood. Virtually everyone I know is a gay Muslim Jew who owns a gun.



 
So did the Americans also have cognitive Bias when they elected Biden, or Obama, or Clinton ....
It would seem that some of the people who suffer most from cognitive bias are totally unaware .
Mick
 
Apart from the fact that Trump won the popular vote, and won well in excess of the number of delegates to win the presidency, a rather surprising data point has emerged.
Harris failed to overturn a single county from Trump, the first time in 92 years it has happened.



Mick
 
Another of those totally Bizarre election facts has emerged.
A republican rep for the 12th Texas Congress seats has been "missing" for six months.
Kay Granger did not seek reelection in the most recent Reps election process, but she is still a sitting member until Jan 6th.
So it comes as a surprise that she has been found living in an aged care facility for people with various levels of dementia.
The 81 year old had not cast a ballot since July, although the reps house has been in recess during August and October.
Even as late as December 18th, she was lauded by having had her portrait hung as being chairperson of the house appropriations commitee for 10 of the 25 years she served on the comittee. (see Kay granger Portrait ).
Various people spoke of her dedicated service, despite the fact she had been missing for a few months.
from Zero hedge

Given the closeness of some votes, its kinda surprising that no one from the GOP asked the obvious question of where the hell she was.
But then again, perhaps they already knew.
Mick
 
The release of US Congress investigation of Matt Gaetz appears imminent.

Colourful indeed. And this was the guy Donald Trump wanted to be his attack dog Attorney General.

Matt Gaetz ethics report finds evidence he paid for sex with minor

House report finds ‘substantial evidence’ ex-congressman engaged in sex trafficking among other violations

Robert Tait and Joseph Gedeon in Washington
Tue 24 Dec 2024 03.26 AEDT


A House ethics committee report on Matt Gaetz, the former Florida Republican congressman, found “substantial evidence” that he engaged in sex trafficking and paid for sex with a minor, among other serious violations of state law and congressional rules.

The investigation concludes that Gaetz, Trump’s first pick for attorney general, made payments totalling tens of thousands of dollars to women for sex and drugs across at least 20 separate occasions. The report also states that in 2017 Gaetz paid a 17-year-old girl for sex when he was 35 years old, which would constitute statutory rape under Florida law.

“The committee determined there is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz violated House Rules and other standards of conduct prohibiting prostitution, statutory rape, illicit drug use, impermissible gifts, special favors or privileges, and obstruction of Congress,” the Republican-led panel wrote in the investigation.

According to the report, Gaetz used payment apps including Venmo and PayPal to transfer money directly to more than a dozen women during his time in Congress.
The committee determined that Gaetz regularly used illegal drugs including cocaine and ecstasy between 2017-2020, and appears to have set up a pseudonymous email account from his House office to purchase marijuana, violating both state laws and House ethics rules.

The committee believes that Gaetz “knowingly and willfully” attempted to obstruct the investigation, including failing to comply with subpoenas, withholding evidence, providing misleading responses, and making false public statements about “voluminous documentary evidence” that he never actually produced.

Investigators also highlighted a 2018 trip to the Bahamas where Gaetz allegedly “engaged in sexual activity” with multiple women. One woman told the committee that the trip itself served as “payment” for sexual services. The same witness reported that Gaetz took ecstasy during the Bahamas visit, which investigators determined violated House gift rules.
The Gaetz legal team, meanwhile, is fighting hard to keep the report from seeing the light of day, arguing in a new lawsuit on Monday morning: “If publicly released, would significantly damage plaintiff’s standing and reputation in the community.” It “would be immediate, severe and irreversible”. Gaetz has long maintained his innocence.

 
Well it looks as though Ukraine may have a happier Christmas, at least there is a glimmer of hope, now the Democrats are out of the picture.
Time will tell.

From the left leaning MSN, they must have choked having to print this :

Vladimir Putin claims he wants to ‘compromise’ with Ukraine and its Western allies in a bid to end the conflict.

In a TV address yesterday, the Russian president suggested peace talks could begin without any prior conditions.

His remarks raised hopes that the war, which has caused more than one million casualties, could end in 2025.
 
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I wonder if the good data scientist looked at another startling anomaly.
There was an extra 25 million votes in the 2020 election. Where did they all go?
Why did 25 million people in the US decide to vote in 2020 that had not voted in the previous elections, and then did not bother to vote in 2024?
Given that 2020 had lockdowns, limited travel, mail in voting and generally had an environment where voting would have been more difficult, how is this possible?


There was another data digger who went into this with a little more granularity.
The psephologists have a list of what they call the bellwether counties.
In the same way that the election is often decided in the swing states, (this year Arizona, Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina and Pennsylvannia , all of which trump won), these are voting counties that have largely shifted with the changes from blue to red.
They are counties from all over the country.
As can be seen in the table going back to 1984 in every year bar 2020, the eventual winner of the election won at least 90% of these bellwether counties.
However, in 2020, Trump won 100% of these bellwether counties, and yet lost.
2024 they returned to normal, Trump won the election, and won 100% of these counties.
Both of these outcomes are such outliers from the norm, that it is amazing that the US election officials have not made some sort of investigation into what was so weird in 2020.
But then perhaps they already know.

Mick




 
This was covered on Planet America.
When the voting was completed there was actually additional votes overall. That information is based on partial results.
 
This was covered on Planet America.
When the voting was completed there was actually additional votes overall. That information is based on partial results.
You saying they found an extra 25 million additional votes?
This would only answer part of the question.
I went to the US FEC where the results of all presidential elections are held.
The final certifed results had harris 72,197,031 some 9 million short of Biden in 2020.
Some may have gone to trump who finished on 77,302,580, but the total of 152,417,580 is still 6 million less than the 158,429,631 for the 2020 election.
Where were they prior to 2020?
In 2016 the total vote was 136.7 million
In 2020 it was 158.5 million, a difference of 22 million voters.
2020 still remains a statistical outlier in numbers voting.
Secondly, it does not answer the granular issue of the bellwether counties.
It is such an outlier that the odds are astronomical.
Mick
 


I agree Musk stole the votes off Harris and made them disappear, Trumps win is stolen.
 
I suppose the final act of Biden/Dem lunacy is Biden having declared the 28th Amendment at ratified, without the authority to do so. (ie invalid) This is followed by all and sundry on the lunatic side launching some sort of celebratory statement.

X and Pubs have pulled them up sharply on that - see discussion and community note on the dementia patient's post:

 
Another perfect example of the corruption of the US election system.
You would be crucified for even owning shares in Oz system, much less buying them before introducing such a bill.
Corruption at its finest.
McCaul is a republican, but that is immaterial in US politics when it comes to conflict of interest in US politics.
So many have gone intop politcs as comfortable at best and come out multi millionaires.
Mick


 
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