Unanswered 9/11 questions

[Dan_]

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Wayne,

You have always conducted your duties to the highest standard. Can't you do both? this thread is interesting and your input would be appreciated.

 

[visual]

Moneytree, start reading some respectable sources.

Think about it.
What happened to the plane and passengers then?

How many people would need to know this, e.g. pentagon staff, airline, crew, passengers, government officials, air traffic controllers, aircraft crash inspectors etc and are you saying that everyone would be craven enough not to blurt the truth? Just so they could get a helicopter to try some missiles out???

Perhaps the plane did not crash into the centre of the Pentagon due to the fact the pilots weren't that good?

And did you see the President when the attacks occurred. He looked a rabbit in a spotlight. No idea.

Come on!

Come on!

Wayne,Knobby asked a good question,and I answered I felt credibly,on post 51 ,why?because my conspiracy isn`t so far flung that it can`t be true,after all it`s often said that whatever hollywod comes up with,real life always outguns it.And this is about a conspiracy,


Synonyms: cabal, complot, confederacy, connivance, countermine, counterplot, covin, disloyalty, fix, frame*, game, hookup*, intrigue, league, machination, perfidy, plot, practice, put-up job*, scheme, sedition, treacherousness, treachery, treason, trick, trickery

I know how you love the dictonary so I looked it up,
disloyalty,fix,perfidy put up job threachery,all good words for how I truly feel.

 

[wayneL]

LOL

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grenade.htm

 

[visual]

Apparently this will answer all the unanswered questions

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

 

[wayneL]

Nope,

Though it does have some good points, many of the debunkings have been... debunked.

 

[wayneL]

Nope,

Though it does have some good points, many of the debunkings have been... debunked.

http://911review.com/pm/markup/

 

[2020hindsight]

Trouble with capitalism is corruption. So tempting (and profitable) for inspectors to turn blind eye when checking
a) steel reinforcement in columns that collapsed in earthquakes in USA and Kobe
b) steel reinforcement in the concrete bunkers over nuclear powerplants meant to make them plane-crash-proof (fortunately not tested as yet)
c) fireproofing of the structural members of WTC - documented even before the 9/11 incident.

 

[Freeballinginawetsuit]

Have found this thread an interesting read. Probably like most people, I happened to see 9/11 live on tv, watched the docs on the reasons the trade centre collapsed etc.

On the flip side, their was no holocaust, stalin didn't mass purge his own people,pol pot was just educating his citizens etc. Lots of people believed this,whole nations in fact under a dictatorship, fuelled with mis-information/propaganda.These events did happen affected millions,their families and for generations to come. Conspiracy theorists have views on the aforementioned, ignorant and repulsive to the memory of the victims.

Thousands of people died in 9/11 including our own citizens. Events on that day covered by a democratic dogged media of free countries. Sure the media can be twisted/manipulated but not in an event of the 9/11 magnitude. If their was a sleeping "Conspiracy" it would of come out for sure!.

Moneytree, maybe you should hang out with the Iraqi media guy who said no troops were in Iraq, whilst the retard was getting shot at with troops clearly visable in the background of the Bagdad hotel. Then again, maybe in one of these countries you would get gassed or tortured for expressing the absurd views you so freely spout in a democratic country.

I for one am grateful for what generations before me have afforded. I am also grateful for what is going on in the world arena at the moment, I dont want to hop on a plane, train, work in a high rise etc that is targeted by some martyr of a bent ideolgy.Sure Bush isn't the brightest of sparks & howards a gopher, but whats the alternative the spineless UN. If a few countries get democracy, the terrorists know we are going to have a go at them and the bonus of some OIL, well its worth a bash. If 9/11 was the seed for all this at least it forced us out of the ostrich approach, appeesment never works (look at Hitler) and Saddam was pretty much another Hitler.


Sure 9/11 happened pretty much exactly as reported. Maybe their were some mitigating suss circumstances, minor ones at best. It was a devasting event that deserved a proportionate response on Al Quaida, who incedently put their hand up as the perportrators.

 

[wayneL]

who incedently put their hand up as the perportrators.

Free',

On a topic as serious as this, satire should be left out of the discussion, it is most disingenuous.

As to the statement above, OBL also vehemently denied involvement.

http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SCH20060601&articleId=2555

 

[Freeballinginawetsuit]

Free',

On a topic as serious as this, satire should be left out of the discussion, it is most disingenuous.

As to the statement above, OBL also vehemently denied involvement.

http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SCH20060601&articleId=2555

Apologies for the Satire!

I guess my point is O.K. 9/11 happened and pretty much in the way reported.

Could it have been prevented or can we avoid future such events. Well thats proving difficult as it would!, considering the scope of what has to be covered to eliminate a small number of crew in a large system of targets.

If we have learnt antything from past historical events, doing nothing is a recipe for disaster especially with fanatical individuals.

It is a serious topic Wayne, deserving of more than 'conspiracy theories' on which was a truly tragic event, 9/11. I for one don't want to get blown up and if I had a relative involved in 9/11, I would like this to have been the catalyst for helping prevent further such events in the future. I also would have been persistent in finding out the facts behind 9/11 and making it public if their was a "conspiracy". What do you think these people would think of this thread?

Quote from Your Article:
nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act.
Not a concurrent quote with his past behaviour. I wouldn't believe a word of Bin Laden, his organisation or other rabid crew of the like (Sadam etc). Your web links look as suss as, a bit like a "NEXUS" mag. How about a thread to a reputable source is a bit like comparing the British Medical Journal to Swami Buudgies medical cure for Cancer. Come on Wayne.

 

[visual]

Nope,
Though it does have some good points, many of the debunkings have been... debunked.

http://911review.com/pm/markup/

Is it possible that these debunkers are working along side ,these liars.

For ease of grouping I posted her site,rather than many pastings

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1316

 

[wayneL]

Is it possible that these debunkers are working along side ,these liars.

For ease of grouping I posted her site,rather than many pastings

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1316

Visual,

That link has nothing to do with 911. Is your point that of purposeful misinformation?

If it is, then yes, absolutely. There is much misinformation from all viewpoints. Misinformation is a prime tool of propaganda and is extensively used by both government and the 911 movement.

That is why we should only consider quality evidence... from both sides, and why we should shun, satire, ridicule, stonewalling and outright speculation.

 

[visual]

Wayne,
9/11 happened yet some people on this thread don`t believe that it happened as was reported or that the people who claimed responsability for it ,did!
She has exsposed the lies reported as facts by many in the media and I think at least we should consider that perhaps the conspiracy theorists are leading us up a garden path.Do you consider that misinformation?

For example the missile attack on the ambulance,isnt that the same as doubting that the plane went trough the pentagon building.


At the very least these type of articles should make us question their motivation,such as the site that you up claiming that the facts had been disclaimed or debunked.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne,
9/11 happened yet some people on this thread don`t believe that it happened as was reported or that the people who claimed responsability for it ,did!
She has exsposed the lies reported as facts by many in the media and I think at least we should consider that perhaps the conspiracy theorists are leading us up a garden path.Do you consider that misinformation?

For example the missile attack on the ambulance,isnt that the same as doubting that the plane went trough the pentagon building.

Re Lebonon War: All reporting seems to be pusing a particular barrow. This happens in wars. The lesson is treat all reporting with suspicion.

What is obvious is that 99% of people cannot leave aside their pre-conceptions and personal prejudices. Hence the extreme polarisation of views. I maintain my assertion that there are no white hats in the middle east.

Re 911: Remarkably, a similar situation exists. Folks line up with what they "want" to believe and filter out unwanted evidence.

Much of the 911 movement is hysterical nonsense.

The official story is not the full truth.

These two statements are irrevocably true.

*somewhere* in between is a truth deserving of further investigation, investigation the government refuses to entertain. Why?

We may pull in all sorts of links, opinions, speculation, arguements, satire, ridicule etc. But in the end, the questions just won't go away. People can try to ignore them, but they are still there.

 

[visual]

These aren`t views being reported,these are lies,side by side they don`t stack up.
So I`m asking why the flaggelation particularly against America or Istrael.

Why is the media not reporting with the same zeal ,when the hoaxs are exposed.

Seems to me the bloggers are doing a darn better job than the reporters,they seem to be exposing the facts,wheres the media is reporting opinions,

Why this propoganda about how the west or particularly America is setting up these incidents,such as 9/11.Seems to me that the governments are investigating in order to satisfy people ,yet as soon as thats done out comes the opposing view not necessarily based on facts or even reliable experts.

 

[wayneL]

So I`m asking why the flaggelation particularly against America or Istrael.

Notwithstanding that the US and Israel enjoy far more support than critisism in the MSM-

America (as representing US UK and Aus vicariously): Because of the gargantuan hypocrisy. Talks one thing; does another. America wears a white hat, with a black bandana hidden beneath. Because they are part of our greater western culture, and we the people can possibly exert some influense over our governments. Because we the people need to reclaim the good and proper agenda of our society and not let it be hijacked by facism again. Because of our governments unquestioning support for Israel and its system of oppression and ipso facto apartheid in the occupied territories

Israel: Because of the above mentioned apartheid. Because Zionism (note: not Judaism) is a negative influense in the world. People who are capable of embracing the history and actions of zionism in its entirety recognise that. In fact there is a great body of Judaism that rejects Zionism. Because the destruction of Lebanon was totally unjustified and a war crime against a civilian population.

Is that enough or would you like me to go on?

Anyway we're off topic. Take this to the other thread if you want to go on.

 

[visual]

Because the destruction of Lebanon was totally unjustified and a war crime against a civilian population.

Is that enough or would you like me to go on?

Anyway we're off topic. Take this to the other thread if you want to go on.

Lebanon started the war,it was not destroyed,the Christian part was untouched except for a couple of incidences which were explained,one was the truck that was mistaken for a missile launcher.Also hizbollah sympathisers were reported as placing flags on top of Christian school which had to be removed ,at the insistence of parents who feared that they would become targets.
The civilians were fighters without uniforms,the dead civilians ,that is children were used by the fighters as shields,even the UN representative aknowledge that.Engel,can`t remember is other name.

At the end of the day if what you say is true,why the lies and the set up photos,why do these people fight with lies and and missiles surely with all the money that it takes to buy missiles they could achieve more with diplomacy,and that type of pressure.After all they seem to be experts in media manipulation or are they scared of being found out as not having a basis for their grievances.It`s not as if this war achieved anymore than all the other wars they`ve engaged in.
Even Nasrahall admitted that this war was a mistake and had he known that Israel response was going to be so devastating he would`nt have ordered the kidnapping of the two soldiers in the first place.


If you want to take this to the other thread you`ll have to do it,you know my computer limitations,

 

[wayneL]

So 2 captured soldiers warrant hundreds of dead, including women and children. thousands upon thousands of homes and most of the lebanese infrastructure destroyed?

Capturing the soldiers was not a smart move, but does that not strike you as a tad lop-sided?

 

[visual]

So 2 captured soldiers warrant hundreds of dead, including women and children. thousands upon thousands of homes and most of the lebanese infrastructure destroyed?

Capturing the soldiers was not a smart move, but does that not strike you as a tad lop-sided?

Isreal also got hit by hundred of missiles sometimes in a day,yet most of their casualties were soldiers,the missiles were landing in populated areas targetting civilians yet hardly any casualties,do you wonder why?

The women and children were used as shields ,how do you know that is not true?They were exposed chasing good looking children corpses for heavens sake,so they could use them in yet more propoganda against Israel.They had no respect for the children even when they were dead.

The infrastructure was damaged so they could stop Iran and Syria replenishing the missiles,what were they supposed to do,leave the airport and bridge intact to make that job easier?

All of Lebanon infastructure was not destroyed,and the thousands of homes destroyed were the responsability of the terrorists,they were using them as launching pads for the missiles.It is widely accepted even by the UN that this is what happened,even the UN observers that were targetted were being used as cover,these people ,actually morons have no respect for anyone including women and children.
Do I think that Israel over-reacted actually no!
Isreal repeatedly warned the people who wanted to get out to get out yet they stayed or were forced to stay,if you sympathise with terorrists than unfortunately that is the price you pay.
Having said all that do we really know that as many as that were killed,how do you know it`s not another bit of misrepresentation.The same woman was photographed over and over in destroyed homes,just how many homes did she have?Or do they think that we think that all muslim women look the same,even down to the same scars.Look it up Wayne it`s on the link I put up earlier.

 

[wayneL]

Isreal also got hit by hundred of missiles sometimes in a day,yet most of their casualties were soldiers,the missiles were landing in populated areas targetting civilians yet hardly any casualties,do you wonder why?

The women and children were used as shields ,how do you know that is not true?They were exposed chasing good looking children corpses for heavens sake,so they could use them in yet more propoganda against Israel.They had no respect for the children even when they were dead.

The infrastructure was damaged so they could stop Iran and Syria replenishing the missiles,what were they supposed to do,leave the airport and bridge intact to make that job easier?

All of Lebanon infastructure was not destroyed,and the thousands of homes destroyed were the responsability of the terrorists,they were using them as launching pads for the missiles.It is widely accepted even by the UN that this is what happened,even the UN observers that were targetted were being used as cover,these people ,actually morons have no respect for anyone including women and children.
Do I think that Israel over-reacted actually no!
Isreal repeatedly warned the people who wanted to get out to get out yet they stayed or were forced to stay,if you sympathise with terorrists than unfortunately that is the price you pay.
Having said all that do we really know that as many as that were killed,how do you know it`s not another bit of misrepresentation.The same woman was photographed over and over in destroyed homes,just how many homes did she have?Or do they think that we think that all muslim women look the same,even down to the same scars.Look it up Wayne it`s on the link I put up earlier.

So you are quite prepared to accept the Israeli propaganda without question?

Why is it unacceptable for Lebanon to recieve armaments from Syria/Iran, yet it is quite OK for Israel to accept substantially more and more lethal armaments from the US?

Does that not seem biased?