Unanswered 9/11 questions

[Ageo]

The only aspect about 9/11 that I know for sure is: that I will never know the whole truth.

Now I spend my spare time trading/learning and find it's far more profitable

Thats exactly where i stand.

 

[Bulltrader]

1. there is no evidence whatsoever that a plane hit the Pentagon. The Government told us what happened and some believed it.
No they were paper mache models we saw on TV.

I don't ever recall seeing on TV footage of a plane hitting the pentagon

 

[Happy]

Few still photographs were shown on TV from security camera.

I suppose lack of footage of Pentagon building might be caused by restriction made on filming the building, which was probably classified as sensitive infrastructure.

 

[money tree]

So there were these pilots right....and they failed their accreditation on a Cessna.....but somehow managed to fly a 767 3 inches off the ground @ 400mph, without being fired on by the Pentagon missile defence, without being seen by motorists or caught on the numerous video cameras, without wake turbulence damaging anything, without touching a light pole or 2 overpasses it would of had to of flown though, without the Pentagon lawn being scorched or even scratched, or the 6ft high rolls of cable in front of the impact site being scorched / moved, and flies a 160ft plane into a 40 ft hole.

He then survives the crash, turns invisible, and removes all the bodies / engines / luggage / fuselage in a matter of seconds. He is even thoughtful enough to remove any trace of blood.

thats one amazing pilot!

Experienced 767 pilots says its impossible to fly a plane that low because of the cushion effect. Plus, it would have been impossible for the wingtips or engines to not graze the earth.

The U.S gov released some "evidence" it said didnt exist earlier. It shows a grey smoke trail following whatever hit, which was flying perfectly horizontally a few inches above the ground. Thats weird because jet engines dont produce grey smoke, or any visible smoke. They also showed photos of light poles which popped out of the ground.....but if these were hit by the plane, why werent they bent? Why wasnt there pieces of plane debri?

Why did the pilot not just aim for the centre ring? Why didnt the Pentagon defence system initiate?

now if you still believe the official explanation, I have some land on mars to sell.

So whats the truth?

The Pentagon had just spent $100m renovating the West wing. They installed bulletproof glass and reinforced walls & ceilings. The area was 90% vacant at the time. As proof or work being done, you can see the rolls of cable in photos.

This "attack" was a test of:

1. the missile defence system
2. the structural safety of the building
3. emergency response

Damage and loss of life was kept minimal.

The damage was caused by a missile, fired from a military helicopter at close range. Eyewitness accounts confirm this. Thats why there is no debri, no scorching of the lawn, a visible grey smoke trail & a small hole which goes through 9ft of steel reinforced concrete.

 

[Happy]

If all is true, we have win win situation.

Terror people claimed victory and defence system was successfully tested too.

 

[visual]

So there were these pilots right....and they failed their accreditation on a Cessna.....but somehow managed to fly a 767 3 inches off the ground @ 400mph, without being fired on by the Pentagon missile defence, without being seen by motorists or caught on the numerous video cameras, without wake turbulence damaging anything, without touching a light pole or 2 overpasses it would of had to of flown though, without the Pentagon lawn being scorched or even scratched, or the 6ft high rolls of cable in front of the impact site being scorched / moved, and flies a 160ft plane into a 40 ft hole.

He then survives the crash, turns invisible, and removes all the bodies / engines / luggage / fuselage in a matter of seconds. He is even thoughtful enough to remove any trace of blood.

thats one amazing pilot!

Experienced 767 pilots says its impossible to fly a plane that low because of the cushion effect. Plus, it would have been impossible for the wingtips or engines to not graze the earth.

The U.S gov released some "evidence" it said didnt exist earlier. It shows a grey smoke trail following whatever hit, which was flying perfectly horizontally a few inches above the ground. Thats weird because jet engines dont produce grey smoke, or any visible smoke. They also showed photos of light poles which popped out of the ground.....but if these were hit by the plane, why werent they bent? Why wasnt there pieces of plane debri?

Why did the pilot not just aim for the centre ring? Why didnt the Pentagon defence system initiate?

now if you still believe the official explanation, I have some land on mars to sell.

So whats the truth?

The Pentagon had just spent $100m renovating the West wing. They installed bulletproof glass and reinforced walls & ceilings. The area was 90% vacant at the time. As proof or work being done, you can see the rolls of cable in photos.

This "attack" was a test of:

1. the missile defence system
2. the structural safety of the building
3. emergency response

Damage and loss of life was kept minimal.

The damage was caused by a missile, fired from a military helicopter at close range. Eyewitness accounts confirm this. Thats why there is no debri, no scorching of the lawn, a visible grey smoke trail & a small hole which goes through 9ft of steel reinforced concrete.

So evil America tested it`s own weapons on it`s own people,wouldn`t it have made more sense to test all this,say,on an enemy? Oh thats right that would never have worked because America has already stuffed up all it`s enemies.
You guys are in need of a trip to maybe a good old muslim country,where you`ll fit right in with the madras type of education that teaches nine year old boys that if a bit of skin shows on the body of a girl than she can be raped. Go visit any one of those countries,maybe if the Americans are in a good mood they`ll evacuate you after a short stay,wouldn`t want you not to get the full lesson,now would we?

 

[rub92me]

You don't need to go to the more ridiculous theories. This is the normal disinformation tactic used to discredit any enquiry... very disigenuous.

There are legitimate questions that remain unanswered. The tactic to avoid having to answer is satire and ridicule.

Legitimate answers to legitimate question are what is needed.

Why won't they answer the questions? Why is there resistance to an inquiry?

Let's not get all silly and shrill. If we are going to go through this exercise here, lets be sensible about it.

Hold your horses, Wayne (let's not be silly and shrill). I am merely pointing out that some of the questions/accusations are patently absurd, and I countered that with an equally absurd alternative. Again, a lot of these questions have been answered/refuted. It is just that even when a perfectly rational answer is provided, the conspiracy theorists will prefer to ignore it because it doesn't fit their theory. It is disingenuos to pretend that they (whoever 'they' are) are refusing to answer any question. I agree a lot of legitimate questions are still out there and should be answered, but let's not go overboard shall we?

 

[Knobby22]

Moneytree, start reading some respectable sources.

Think about it.
What happened to the plane and passengers then?

How many people would need to know this, e.g. pentagon staff, airline, crew, passengers, government officials, air traffic controllers, aircraft crash inspectors etc and are you saying that everyone would be craven enough not to blurt the truth? Just so they could get a helicopter to try some missiles out???

Perhaps the plane did not crash into the centre of the Pentagon due to the fact the pilots weren't that good?

And did you see the President when the attacks occurred. He looked a rabbit in a spotlight. No idea.

Come on!

Come on!

 

[wayneL]

Hold your horses, Wayne (let's not be silly and shrill). I am merely pointing out that some of the questions/accusations are patently absurd, and I countered that with an equally absurd alternative. Again, a lot of these questions have been answered/refuted. It is just that even when a perfectly rational answer is provided, the conspiracy theorists will prefer to ignore it because it doesn't fit their theory. It is disingenuos to pretend that they (whoever 'they' are) are refusing to answer any question. I agree a lot of legitimate questions are still out there and should be answered, but let's not go overboard shall we?

Rub,

Nice try at the flip tactic, well short of successful though .

However I do agree, many conspiricy theorists will ignore evidence and stick to the theory.

There are certainly many 911 theorists in this category. But it applies to both sides. The official story just doesn't cut it and those who stick steadfastly to it are equally absurd.

It could all be resolved if the US government would hold a proper enquiry. To date, many times more money has been spent on investigating Clintons amourous escapades than on 911.

Until that time, people will be deeply suspicious and they have every right to be.

Cheers

 

[Knobby22]

a lot of these questions have been answered/refuted. It is just that even when a perfectly rational answer is provided, the conspiracy theorists will prefer to ignore it because it doesn't fit their theory. It is disingenuos to pretend that they (whoever 'they' are) are refusing to answer any question. I agree a lot of legitimate questions are still out there and should be answered, but let's not go overboard shall we?

I agree 100%.
There was a great documentary about why the buildings fell. It was on ABC and involved the designers and other structural engineers. Conspiracy theorists just get a buzz out of ignoring the facts and making their own half assed assumptions lacking any credibility to educated people.

 

[visual]

Knobby,don`t be so harsh on these conspiracy theorists,all the people you mentioned have been taken to an isolated island much like that bloody island on Lost,the president didn`t know because that`s a conspiracy within a conspiracy,after all if he were to be questioned much better for him to know nothing,so he could continue his presidency and they could continue with their island experiment,these people would after all need a layer of friendly co-conspirators so as to keep going.

 

[Knobby22]

Knobby,don`t be so harsh on these conspiracy theorists,all the people you mentioned have been taken to an isolated island much like that bloody island on Lost,the president didn`t know because that`s a conspiracy within a conspiracy,after all if he were to be questioned much better for him to know nothing,so he could continue his presidency and they could continue with their island experiment,these people would after all need a layer of friendly co-conspirators so as to keep going.

Of course you are right, visual.
That's where the conspiracy is taking place to create super soldiers!

 

[visual]

Of course you are right, visual.
That's where the conspiracy is taking place to create super soldiers!

Well,see I was thinking of a new society,much like the one in that movie by M.Knight Shyamalan,The Village,dont like the idea of more soldiers,but this is a conspiracy theory i suppose,

 

[wayneL]

Satire is the refuge of the ignoramus.

I've tried to keep this balanced, any more ridicule from either side will be deleted. Reasoned arguement only please.

 

[visual]

Satire is the refuge of the ignoramus.

I've tried to keep this balanced, any more ridicule from either side will be deleted. Reasoned arguement only please.

Wayne,you are discussing something that some people don`t even think happened,or happened in the way that it was witnessed around the world,with pictures and all,surely in a free society which you feel we can only enjoy for a while longer ,we should all be free to take whatever angle we want on this subject,what you are proposing is ,your way or the freeway,not very free is it?

 

[Duckman#72]

I agree 100%.
There was a great documentary about why the buildings fell. It was on ABC and involved the designers and other structural engineers. Conspiracy theorists just get a buzz out of ignoring the facts and making their own half assed assumptions lacking any credibility to educated people.

Yes I saw that doco and it was very,very good. Straight to the point, factual and from memory it even hinted at how Bin Laden had studied engineering and architecture and could have been well aware of how to exploit the weakness in the structure.

The design flaw was well known before 9/11 and the documentary went on to say that very few buildings were built like it as a result.

As for a strong wind having the same force as a commercial plane hitting the building? I am not an engineer but.........that seems absurd. What will do the most damage - 100km per hour wind hitting my upstairs window or a golf ball hitting my window at 100km per hour?

 

[wayneL]

Wayne,you are discussing something that some people don`t even think happened,or happened in the way that it was witnessed around the world,with pictures and all,surely in a free society which you feel we can only enjoy for a while longer ,we should all be free to take whatever angle we want on this subject,what you are proposing is ,your way or the freeway,not very free is it?

Not at all Visual. If you care to read what I wrote, you will see any reasoned comment is welcomed.

A good example is Duckmans comment above. It is his opinion, rationally stated.

 

[money tree]

perhaps the sceptics can provide some explanations?

how does a plane with a 160ft wingspan make a 40ft hole?

where is the plane?

what caused a 30m / 9 story crater in building 6?

how did Silverman get building 7 demolished in 5 mins flat when it takes weeks to set up a building demolition?

 

[wayneL]

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I will respect both sides of the debate and request that respect is shown to any reasoned argument.

Cheers

 

[billhill]

After the blatant corruption and lies the current US administration has demonstrated relative to WMDs and the iraq war nothing would surprise me. 9/11 was the spark the neoconservatives needed to initiate their 30 year old plan to control the middle east and hence the worlds oil. Whether it was an act by the US government or terrorist i don't think we'll ever truly know. Stupid thing is if the US had of waited a couple of years they would have found a middle eastern country with even more oil that is acually developing WMDs and aids terrorism. Iran. They may have even had UN backing for an invasion. Their timing was all wrong.