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I think the most telling aspect of the events of Thursday are the way they are being reported everywhere. Apart from Labor pollies (and not even all of them) everyone else (print and electronic media (including the partisan ABC), random people on the radio that don't usually comment on politics, man/woman in the street) is variously describing them as a shambles, farce, debacle, chaos, shamozzle, shenanigans etc. This can only hurt Labor bigtime.
 
MrBurns said:
The mothers are due for an apology fair enough, but would you actually go to a meeting specifically for that ?
No me neither, the sort of person that does is a little extreme in their views and would hate Abbott anyway, Gillard would find it a piece of cake to win these people over..........just a little false empathy practise for her.

These mothers deserve more than an apology there should be a department set up to try to find lost kids, assess their situation and see if it's appropriate to reunite.
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That would certainly be more useful. Won't happen though. An 'apology' is much easier, even if meaningless in terms of making any difference.
If it makes the women affected feel better, though, it's fine with me. Easy to be dismissive of the feelings of others when we haven't gone through what they have.
 
Julia said:
That would certainly be more useful. Won't happen though. An 'apology' is much easier, even if meaningless in terms of making any difference.
If it makes the women affected feel better, though, it's fine with me. Easy to be dismissive of the feelings of others when we haven't gone through what they have.
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I cant believe this happened at all let alone as recently as 1982

How the world changes and evolves.........:2twocents
 
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Miss Hale said:
I think the most telling aspect of the events of Thursday are the way they are being reported everywhere. Apart from Labor pollies (and not even all of them) ever leftsyone else (print and electronic media (including the partisan ABC), random people on the radio that don't usually comment on politics, man/woman in the street) is variously describing them as a shambles, farce, debacle, chaos, shamozzle, shenanigans etc. This can only hurt Labor bigtime.
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The press are just kicking and screaming because they are letting thier big standoveroney boys down and have lost a barking tool. It is going to die down.

Some of those relegateted to the back benches have been a proplem to labor for years, extreme rights and extreme left commo's. I think the Government will be more settled now and the media to its chagrin know it.

I would bet that Gillard and co put the team together to get the Rudd thing off thier back deliberately.

It is still a long way to the election and Abbott remains uninspiring. At the end of the day going crook will not get you over the line, people are not that stupid, when it comes to casting an actual vote at the ballot box it is often very different to polls.
 
Julia said:
Fairly obviously to just refer to the mothers which was what the issue was all about.
Gillard managed to do it pretty well.
That's not a comment on her sincerity or otherwise, but recognises her capacity on this occasion to understand what her audience wanted to hear. Imo Mr Abbott should have done likewise.
Seems like an unimportant issue to most of us, but it was hugely important to that group of women who have waited fifty years for the apology and who travelled from all points to Canberra for the occasion.
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Julia said:
Sails, you're of an age when you should clearly remember the stigma attached to unmarried mothers.
Usually, the father of the child was nowhere to be seen, and the girl bundled off somewhere to endure her pregnancy and the birth out of the public eye. Some of these young girls were forced to have their babies locked alone in a broom cupboard, such was the punitive nature of the social mores of that time. Then they were not allowed to see their children after the delivery, despite their wish to keep them. I'm not sure, but I don't think there was any single mother's pension in those days. Certainly there was a widespread stigma attached to any young woman bearing a child without a husband.

Just contrast that with how much welfare is available to single mothers these days. Not to mention publicly funded IVF for lesbians etc.

Don't you think those young mothers of fifty years ago are due some sort of apology for the inhumane way they were treated?

I'd hate to think some of the judgements being made now, and on this thread, relate to an ongoing moral condemnation of young women who made a mistake in a time when reliable contraception was unavailable.
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Actually agree for a change it was a time for heighten sensitivity and needed to be treated as such lots of raw emotion of a time past with heavy memories and pain.
 
IFocus said:
Actually agree for a change it was a time for heighten sensitivity and needed to be treated as such lots of raw emotion of a time past with heavy memories and pain.
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Of course, any excuse to denigrate Abbott...lol
 
Bring on the election, the Australian people want to start 'moving forward' now.
This is a disgrace
Everyone I have spoken to wants her out.

I am sick of seeing this woman going off like a pitbull....
 
drsmith said:
That wind bag Andrew Wilkie is at it again,



After the betrayal on his pokies reforms and 2 and 1/2 years in office, does he really expect a new Gillard government ?

I don't think so.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...onfidence-motion/story-fnhqeu0x-1226604003355
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What is Wilkie on about, asking for stability? Doesn't he realise that's what Julia is providing? She must be, mustn't she? That's what she promised afterall. Seems Wilkie can't recognise 'stabilidy' when he sees it? ;)
 
Once Gillard has purged the rest of the Rudd backers - Albanese, Bob Carr and Mark Butler she will have free air to govern for what is important:

1. Julia Gillard
2. Julia Gillard
3. Julia Gillard
4. The Union factions.
5. The Union plebs that support the Union factions.
6. Julia Gillard
 
sails said:
Of course, any excuse to denigrate Abbott...lol
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True I will never miss a chance to put the boot in but I did think it a opportunity missed, given Abbott's very conservative thinking around social issues everyone would have been waiting to see how he did handle it and I think he failed.
 
IFocus said:
True I will never miss a chance to put the boot in but I did think it a opportunity missed, given Abbott's very conservative thinking around social issues everyone would have been waiting to see how he did handle it and I think he failed.
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IF, I'm sure we all get that had the perceived error been on the part of Ms Gillard, your sensitivities would not have been so offended.

On this, a couple of people have suggested Mr Abbott had no need to participate in this apology at all.
Can you even begin to imagine the flak directed toward him if he had not!
"Abbott clearly shows he still approves of the policies of the past in stealing the newborn babies of young, loving mothers", would be just the start.

By all means disagree with the need to apologise if that's how you feel. But let's be aware of the political consequences if a party leader does this. The fall out would not just be amongst people who were not going to vote for him anyway and what's the point of giving the Abbott critics further ammunition?
 
Julia said:
On this, a couple of people have suggested Mr Abbott had no need to participate in this apology at all.
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It seems to be the protocol where the opposition leader speaks at lots of occasions relating to government functions (I would'nt be surprised if this changes when Abbotts PM)

I thought it was fine for him to speak even if it was on the behalf of pass conservative governments or what ever I didn't see any problem.

After watching some vision clearly some present thought his choice of words were poor.
 
IFocus said:
..After watching some vision clearly some present thought his choice of words were poor.
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After watching for the last 2+ years, Gillard's choices in spending taxpayer's funds are extremely poor. Her ability to secure our borders extremely poor. Her attempts at a surplus, extremely poor. Her promise not to introduce a carbon tax, big fail...should I go on?

And I don't recall you being upset at Gillard's poor pronunciation of words such as hyperbowl, assification, Taliband, (spelling as per Gillard pronunciation).

If Abbott can fix up the major problems Gillard has created, who cares if his choice of words is not always perfect? I wouldn't worry too much either about Gillard's poor pronunciation either if she was running the country well.

It seems you are, once again, grasping at straws, IF...:D
 
I don't think his choice of words was bad, it was just a couple of loudmouths down the back yelling, they were probably Gillard or Ellen Degereres fans, anyone seen the photos of her and her "wife" I'm not anti gay but there's something about her that turns my stomach.
 

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