Kevin Rudd: The next UN Secretary General?

[bellenuit]

It is a considered right of passage to use the talent of people who have risen to the top of their game.

Yes, those who stayed at the top due to their obvious talents, not those dumped because of incompetence and inability to carry out the job.

The arrogance of Malcolm in determining what is best for the world, when he probably has no idea what the role calls for and the credentials needed is appalling;

Why wouldn't he know? Is it just the Labor party that knows?

the task of foreign diplomats and professional diplomats is not party politik but a esprit de corps of people who speak a language and semaphore that cuts through personality and petty party hates.

Hardly a talent of Rudd. Need one repeat what Labor said about him

I'm sure there is an army of armchair Australians out there who looked on with glee at seeing our man get his just deserts at the hands on Malcolm....

If it was his just deserts why are you complaining?

I just wonder how many of those people understand how international politics works and how thick the hides of the people in there are.

Probably as many as who think Rudd should have got the role.

 

[SirRumpole]

You may have nailed it.

Assuming he hasn't changed.

With all the derogatory comments about megalomania he would have to do something to prove that those days are over.

You can only assert megalomania if you have actual power. The job he wants is so powerless that Genghis Khan would not be able to achieve anything in it.

 

[Tisme]

Anyone else get the impression Malcolm has been played by his own team?

His cabinet voted in favour, his ex senior cohorts were in favour, Julie Bishop, the Dept foreign affairs, even Jeff Kennett went on telly to express favour of it and then two fellas in the inner circle put the wood on him to vote no.

So now Hillary Clinton is looking to back Kevin in and Putin would do a deal with Hillary in exchange for favours and voila we have a UN boss and Malcolm spilled by the Abbott faction.

Either way the world now see Oz as run by the same petty stupidity the election was supposed cleanse.

 

[Tisme]

Assuming he hasn't changed.

With all the derogatory comments about megalomania he would have to do something to prove that those days are over.

You can only assert megalomania if you have actual power. The job he wants is so powerless that Genghis Khan would not be able to achieve anything in it.

Yeah but it would "put Australia on the map" ........ for about the 100th time in as many years

 

[Tisme]

Bob Katter:

Malcolm Turnbull isn’t petty and mean-spirited like that. He bowed to pressure from the “blue Blues” … (who) can’t see anything except politics; they have tunnel vision, they can’t see the good of the nation.

I don't normally agree with Bob and I'm not sure if I do now, but he does raise the ongoing hate that has infected the once great Liberal Party of Australia

 

[pixel]

Yeah but it would "put Australia on the map" ........ for about the 100th time in as many years

Refusing to support a former PM for petty party politics puts Australia also on the map - albeit for all the wrong reasons. The blue-tie, right-wing faction of Mal's Noalition should hang their head in shame for making Australia the laughing stock of the world; at least among the nations that can still be bothered to follow our shenanigans and care about such matters... :1zhelp:

 

[bellenuit]

Refusing to support a former PM for petty party politics puts Australia also on the map - albeit for all the wrong reasons. The blue-tie, right-wing faction of Mal's Noalition should hang their head in shame for making Australia the laughing stock of the world; at least among the nations that can still be bothered to follow our shenanigans and care about such matters... :1zhelp:

Alternatively, not supporting someone who has been proven without doubt to be unsuitable for the job may actually enhance Australia's reputation. If you want to talk about being a laughing stock, any thinking person would regard us as a laughing stock for proposing to fill the roll of such an eminent position someone who only a few short years ago was deemed to be incompetent, impossible to work with, a megalomaniac, cry baby and even a psychopath ..... and that was by his friends.

Proposing Rudd would be just as damaging to Australia's reputation as has been selecting Trump for the Republican party.

You don't maintain integrity and trust by proposing someone purely on the basis he is Australian no matter how bad he is.

If the age of entitlement is over for us poor punters, it should well and truly be over for the polies.

 

[SirRumpole]

If the age of entitlement is over for us poor punters, it should well and truly be over for the polies.

Correct. Which is why Joe Hockey should be recalled immediately and replaced with someone with a decent knowledge of international affairs.

 

[Tisme]

Alternatively, not supporting someone who has been proven without doubt to be unsuitable for the job may actually enhance Australia's reputation. If you want to talk about being a laughing stock, any thinking person would regard us as a laughing stock for proposing to fill the roll of such an eminent position someone who only a few short years ago was deemed to be incompetent, impossible to work with, a megalomaniac, cry baby and even a psychopath ..... and that was by his friends.

Proposing Rudd would be just as damaging to Australia's reputation as has been selecting Trump for the Republican party.

You don't maintain integrity and trust by proposing someone purely on the basis he is Australian no matter how bad he is.

If the age of entitlement is over for us poor punters, it should well and truly be over for the polies.

I don't like the man (Kev), I'm not a Labor rusted on, but I admire Rudd for his drive & intellect and still think Mal has made a poor and divisive call that is a smoking gun to his future. But you are right about the entitlement thing and if it means the Pynes, Andrews, Abotts, etc don't get a retired bum on some seat in the future I'm happy.

 

[pixel]

I don't like the man (Kev), I'm not a Labor rusted on, but I admire Rudd for his drive & intellect and still think Mal has made a poor and divisive call that is a smoking gun to his future. But you are right about the entitlement thing and if it means the Pynes, Andrews, Abotts, etc don't get a retired bum on some seat in the future I'm happy.

Agree - it has to cut both ways, then it's fine with me.
KR's rant on youtube or facebook or wherever has been quite damaging at the time; but his intellect and being polyglot including Mandarin would at least support his candidacy.
Also bear in mind that being proposed as a contender doesn't automatically put him in the job. I don't know about any other aspirants, nor is it relevant for this discussion. The point I'm making, and what I hear from my O/seas contacts is: As PM, he has been well regarded on the International stage, and to be snubbed in controversial circumstances is seen as petty party politics, especially when even our current Foreign Minister is on record as supporting his candidacy.

It's easy to forget how the Rudd and Gillard Governments were ridiculed as megalomaniacs when they lobbied for another stint on the Security Council, yet when Libs/Nats attained power, they reaped the fruits of Labor's labour and basked in the limelight as if they had earned the privilege.

 

[Tisme]

Before Malcolm took charge and relegated him, wasn't Ozcar Eric Abetz slated for a seat on the High Court when the time finally comes to retire him and his anti homo, anti abortion, anti mixed marriages, anti political correctness anti working class, etc ideas? I'm fairly sure he's not of the right christian denomination to be of use to the liberal elite.

 

[Logique]

Rudd's petulance post-announcement, tells us why so many thought him unfit for the office.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rudd's petulance post-announcement, tells us why so many thought him unfit for the office.

It also says something abut Turnbull if he supported Rudd privately but publicly said he was unsuitable.

Either he didn't have the guts to tell Rudd what he really thought of him, or he didn't have the guts to stand up to his own party room.

 

[Tisme]

Rudd's petulance post-announcement, tells us why so many thought him unfit for the office.

Why's that? I don't see openness being at odds with diplomacy, of which Rudd has plenty of cred out there on the world stage, whether we like it or not. So often we parade our "fair go" mantra as being so much an Oz Ocker invention, but more often than not our tall poppy syndrome sends a message of a nation of knockers and wowsers IMO.

Turnbull is an infant on the international circuit and does not have the credentials to know what the UN wants or needs. He's a political leader of a pissant country by world standards.

 

[bellenuit]

Turnbull is an infant on the international circuit and does not have the credentials to know what the UN wants or needs. He's a political leader of a pissant country by world standards.

And Rudd is all that! Why didn't we think of making him PM. What a wasted opportunity

 

[noco]

Rudd's petulance post-announcement, tells us why so many thought him unfit for the office.

I think we should a Royal Commission to find out why Kevvie was not suitable....Nah....just ask the Labor Party what they thought of their man when he was PM.

 

[Tisme]

I think we should a Royal Commission to find out why Kevvie was not suitable....Nah....just ask the Labor Party what they thought of their man when he was PM.

Mark Latham

 

[noco]

Will someone tell Kevin Rudd it is over unless he can get another country to nominate him.

He is still running around like a chook with it's head chopped off.

His statement that Turnbull's reputation and that of Australia has been tarnished is refuted by the USA.

So please Kevin, sail off into the sunset.:horse::007:



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...n/news-story/ea36fcc14c0b51f4479b26016aafc5d5

Top American foreign policy experts have rejected Kevin Rudd’s claim the government’s reputation was tarnished when it rejected his candidacy for the post of UN secretary-general, with one suggesting Australia’s reputation was enhanced by the *decision.

Following the former prime minister’s accusation last week that Malcolm Turnbull had *allowed a “monstrous intrusion” of domestic politics to international affairs, potentially diminishing the government’s reputation, US experts have cast doubt on his claim to have had a “real shot”.

David Shambaugh, a professor of international affairs at George Washington University in Washington DC, said Australia’s reputation had been “enhanced” by rejecting Mr Rudd’s candidacy.

“Rudd’s longstanding, widely known and well-earned reputation for poor interpersonal skills, alienating public relations, inept bureaucratic skills, enormous ego and solicitousness of the Chinese government are all reasons he should not have been nominated,” he told The Australian.

Mr Shambaugh, who specialises in Asian international relations and has written 30 books, said the Turnbull government had made a “very sensible decision.”

“Even if he had been nominated, these factors and his reputation would have made his can*didacy a non-starter,” he added.

 

[Tisme]

Will someone tell Kevin Rudd it is over unless he can get another country to nominate him.

He is still running around like a chook with it's head chopped off.

His statement that Turnbull's reputation and that of Australia has been tarnished is refuted by the USA.

So please Kevin, sail off into the sunset.:horse::007:





Top American foreign policy experts (plural) ..........

Following the former prime minister’s accusation last week that Malcolm Turnbull had *allowed a “monstrous intrusion” of domestic politics to international affairs, potentially diminishing the government’s reputation, US experts have cast doubt on his claim to have had a “real shot”.

David Shambaugh, (that's one expert) a professor of international affairs at George Washington University in Washington DC, said Australia’s reputation had been “enhanced” by rejecting Mr Rudd’s candidacy.

“Rudd’s longstanding, widely known and well-earned reputation for poor interpersonal skills, alienating public relations, inept bureaucratic skills, enormous ego and solicitousness of the Chinese government are all reasons he should not have been nominated,” he told The Australian.

.......

Of course David is one of those self propelled people who are salivating at the prospect China will collapse into a shattered mess.

Reminds me of those infomercials that back up their gobbledygook with the endorsement of a, let's say, compromised expert and sham institute.

 

[noco]

Of course David is one of those self propelled people who are salivating at the prospect China will collapse into a shattered mess.

Reminds me of those infomercials that back up their gobbledygook with the endorsement of a, let's say, compromised expert and sham institute.

So with all that funny cryptic talk of yours are you saying that Kevin Rudd was more than suitable for the job even after his own party said he had lost his way, was a bastard to work with, a megalomaniac, an egotist, a control freak, an air hostess abuser and one who spat the dummy more than once when he got into a tizzy?

Turnbull made the right decision.