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explod said:
What is that word sin?

And who are you that you can point a finger.

And remember what Jesus himself said, "Let thou without sin cast the first stone"

Get off you high horse, how dare you judge others.
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This is a free country.

This is a country of freedom of speech.

I will say what I damn well like so long it is the truth even if YOU don't like it.

All three, the Prime Minister, the psuedo Prime Minister and the Finance Minister are all hypocrites.

If you want to quote Jesus and the Bible, perhaps you should read the real meaning of marriage as per link below.

The Bible clearly denounces homosexuality and lesbians.

http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-what-the-bible-says-about-marriage.htm
 
noco said:
This is a free country.

This is a country of freedom of speech.

I will say what I damn well like so long it is the truth even if YOU don't like it.

All three, the Prime Minister, the psuedo Prime Minister and the Finance Minister are all hypocrites.

If you want to quote Jesus and the Bible, perhaps you should read the real meaning of marriage as per link below.

The Bible clearly denounces homosexuality and lesbians.

http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-what-the-bible-says-about-marriage.htm
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Explod, perhaps you may like to read more what the Bible says about same sex marriages.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f018.html
 
explod said:
And so ?, he cannot help the way he was born.

Many do not have the intellect to realise, one it is neurological and two, we should be able to please ourselves in what we do, democracy.

Marriage is a commitment to each other and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with ceremony or religion.

I have seen many saint looking people be married lavishly to only break up after a few short years.

And a gay couple would draw less pension than trwo unmarried gays living togeter.
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Explod my take on it and I'm not religous, homophobic or homosexual.
Marriage is just a contract between a man and woman, that is there to give the offspring some legal rights.
It's a verbal and written contract in front of witnesses to ensure there is every intention of staying together to bring up any children you have. In a wholesome family unit. We all know this can fail but the intention is there.
I tend to feel that the Gay community are trying to make themselves feel more mainstream by adopting marriage as a requirement for a couple to be "normal".
When in reality it was designed less for the couple, but more to do with the product of the couple.
I am sure there are many other institutions that we can adapt to suit our desired moral outcome, but does that make it right.
A lot of these ceremonies were put in place to maintain order, in times when in was required.IMO

Actually just thought, any couple can make kids, marriage is just a mutual commitment to take responsiblity for them.
 
noco said:
This is a free country.

This is a country of freedom of speech.

I will say what I damn well like so long it is the truth even if YOU don't like it.

All three, the Prime Minister, the psuedo Prime Minister and the Finance Minister are all hypocrites.

If you want to quote Jesus and the Bible, perhaps you should read the real meaning of marriage as per link below.

The Bible clearly denounces homosexuality and lesbians.

http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-what-the-bible-says-about-marriage.htm
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What does the bible say about bigots.
 
sptrawler said:
Explod my take on it and I'm not religous, homophobic or homosexual.
Marriage is just a contract between a man and woman, that is there to give the offspring some legal rights.
It's a verbal and written contract in front of witnesses to ensure there is every intention of staying together to bring up any children you have. In a wholesome family unit. We all know this can fail but the intention is there.
I tend to feel that the Gay community are trying to make themselves feel more mainstream by adopting marriage as a requirement for a couple to be "normal".
When in reality it was designed less for the couple, but more to do with the product of the couple.
I am sure there are many other institutions that we can adapt to suit our desired moral outcome, but does that make it right.
A lot of these ceremonies were put in place to maintain order, in times when in was required.IMO

Actually just thought, any couple can make kids, marriage is just a mutual commitment to take responsiblity for them.
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Just another thought, if men and men can get married, women and women can get married. Why not cousins or brother and brother, sisters, well why bother with the marriage thing at all, it means nothing any way, lets have a free for all.
What will we get into next, the mind boggles.
Oh well life should end up a lot of fun, if history repeats. Shame I will probably be too old to enjoy it.
I Claudius was a great series. Too much money, too little to spend their time on.LOL
Running a country was way outside their abilities.LOL LOL LOL
 
To be honest I haven't given it much thought.

Human right vs legal right. If there's going to be a legal right, then I'd imagine stuff like:
- Income splitting on their tax forms, ie reduced national tax take.
- Requirement for divorce if re-marrying etc. Gays could become bigamists at law.
- Also superannuation entitlements wouldn't exhaust, but go to the gay husband/wife, ie increased superannuation liabilities on employers, including governments.
- Legal marriage would presumably strengthen the case for gay couples to adopt.

The full ramifications of the decision at the ALP conference are yet to be ventilated. So for now it feels a bit like social engineering by stealth (surprise!).

Dispassionate analysis is necessary, and we should'nt be suckered in by the inevitable smokescreen accusations of 'homophobe' or 'bigot'.
 
todster said:
What does the bible say about bigots.
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todster, that is not my problem to find out about 'bigots' in relation to the bible, however if it is a problem for you, I suggest you do your own research.

The Oxford dictionary defines 'bigot' as obstinate and intolerant adherent of creed or view.

Hope this helps you to understand the meaning.
 
Speakers at the Gay Rights conference said they wanted to be treated with "dignity and respect." I fail to see how gay marriage would achieve this.

The political marriage between Brown and Gillard was certainly an unnatural act, and it set the scene for the introduction of gay marriage. Neither of them gained any dignity or respect out of this marriage of convenience.
 
noco said:
todster, that is not my problem to find out about 'bigots' in relation to the bible, however if it is a problem for you, I suggest you do your own research.

The Oxford dictionary defines 'bigot' as obstinate and intolerant adherent of creed or view.

Hope this helps you to understand the meaning.
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Well my dictionary refers me to zealot in relation to religion which i must agree suits you better i am sorry for any offense:D
 
todster said:
Well my dictionary refers me to zealot in relation to religion which i must agree suits you better i am sorry for any offense:D
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I don't know what you are going on about here todster,for you would have no idea whether I am religious, agnostic or an atheist and it is me to know and you to find out. I would say you are assuming I am religious and you know the old saying about the word 'assume', it makes an ass out of you and me.

The reference to the bible came about through some remark made by explod about 'sin' and his hollier than thou quote made by Jesus some 2000 years ago "Let thou without sin cast the first stone'.

My reference followed thru with quotes from the bible relating to unmarried couples living together and the further reference to gays and lesbians.

You should be sure of your facts before making stupid remarks about another ASF member.
 
noco said:
I don't know what you are going on about here todster,for you would have no idea whether I am religious, agnostic or an atheist and it is me to know and you to find out. I would say you are assuming I am religious and you know the old saying about the word 'assume', it makes an ass out of you and me.

The reference to the bible came about through some remark made by explod about 'sin' and his hollier than thou quote made by Jesus some 2000 years ago "Let thou without sin cast the first stone'.

My reference followed thru with quotes from the bible relating to unmarried couples living together and the further reference to gays and lesbians.

You should be sure of your facts before making stupid remarks about another ASF member.
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Oh i am sorry we should meet up i can wear my arseless chaps and give you a big tongue kiss:D
 
noco said:
I feel sorry for you todster. You are sick and need help.
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Mmmm not the first time i've heard that
I'ts fun to stay at the YMCA
Cmon dance wit me dont be afraid of your inner homo
Oxford street me you in the bak of a ute dancin
Cant you see it noco::D
 
Well that was strange on the news, Bob Brown saying Julia is just another John Howard and it is a disgrace.
But Bob aren't you the one who is backing her up and keeping her in power.
Maybe you should listen to the rubish you speak Bob, Oh I forgot it's not about the issues its about your pension.LOL LOL LOL
At your age Bob, it is probably important you lock in a good pension to cover the increased costs, you have brought in.
 
"We are us":rolleyes: I think this sums up the complete lack of any worthwhile progress to come out of the Labor Gay Rights Conference.

Did she mean we are a gay party? Doug Cameron certainly thinks so. Perhaps they hope to win back voters from the Green-gay-loving party.
 
noco said:
This is a free country.

This is a country of freedom of speech.

I will say what I damn well like so long it is the truth even if YOU don't like it.

All three, the Prime Minister, the psuedo Prime Minister and the Finance Minister are all hypocrites.

If you want to quote Jesus and the Bible, perhaps you should read the real meaning of marriage as per link below.

The Bible clearly denounces homosexuality and lesbians.

http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-what-the-bible-says-about-marriage.htm
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The bible was created by the people in power. Have a look at the link just posted up.

Suppose you must believe in Santa too, and how many purses does that control at this time of the year. To survive one needs to get into the real world.

If two men want to marry and they do not do harm to anyone else, who gives a hoot.

And I am happily married to a woman if you are thinking otherwise but a number of fine people who are good friends are gay and one of them first introduced me to my wife and we have been together now for 15 years.

The world needs to be a more open place and not blinded by fairy tales.
 
sptrawler said:
Just another thought, if men and men can get married, women and women can get married. Why not cousins or brother and brother, sisters, well why bother with the marriage thing at all, it means nothing any way, lets have a free for all.
What will we get into next, the mind boggles.
Oh well life should end up a lot of fun, if history repeats. Shame I will probably be too old to enjoy it.
I Claudius was a great series. Too much money, too little to spend their time on.LOL
Running a country was way outside their abilities.LOL LOL LOL
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I think the genetic nearness of cousins has in the post been the cause of birth defects and is rather different to the same sex marriage discussion.
 

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