The Gillard Government

[sptrawler]

I think the genetic nearness of cousins has in the post been the cause of birth defects and is rather different to the same sex marriage discussion.

I think if they are the same sex there isn't much of a problem with genetic nearness, but I guess there is no harm in trying.LOL,LOL,LOL

 

[Julia]

If two men want to marry and they do not do harm to anyone else, who gives a hoot.

Earlier in this thread someone raised the question of euthanasia for which surely the same argument could be made: i.e. if you want to end your life and will not in so doing make any difference to anyone else's life, why should anyone else object?
I can't see why, but people do, and for some valid reasons.

Why should not similar conventions apply in this situation where marriage is still commonly thought of as a union for the sake of any children between a male and female?

1. Why do they want to 'marry' when they already have available a Civil Union which confers equal rights in every way? What additional benefit does this marriage provide to them at the same time as it obviously genuinely offends those who believe marriage is between a male and female?

2. If they 'marry' who becomes the husband and who becomes the wife?

3. Do you disregard any notion of a child being the product of a male and a female?
What is that teaching children about basic biology, just for a start?

The world needs to be a more open place and not blinded by fairy tales.

What fairy tales?

I think the genetic nearness of cousins has in the post been the cause of birth defects and is rather different to the same sex marriage discussion.

That's true. However, if 'love' is what defines the reason for people being able to marry, the permutations are endless. If we accept all these permutations, we might as well forget about any meaning for the institution of marriage imo.

Personally I think it's all just silly. Marriage between whomever, if it's denoted by some piece of paper, means nothing in terms of the character of the relationship.
It's not going to make unhappy people happy or sustain bad relationships.
Divorce is easy.

I think this whole gay marriage thing is a crock.

 

[sptrawler]

Just another thought, if men and men can get married, women and women can get married. Why not cousins or brother and brother, sisters, well why bother with the marriage thing at all, it means nothing any way, lets have a free for all.
What will we get into next, the mind boggles.
Oh well life should end up a lot of fun, if history repeats. Shame I will probably be too old to enjoy it.
I Claudius was a great series. Too much money, too little to spend their time on.LOL
Running a country was way outside their abilities.LOL LOL LOL

Obviously explod I missed the point I was trying to convey.
Most of these ceremonies and customs were put in place to install a degree of order and system in our communities.
I don't see how breaking them down for no obvious advantage furthers our development as a society.
Like I said, if men and men can get married, women and women, why not cousins, brother to brother and sister to sister. Actually wouldn't it be just as easy to do away with marriage and just have defacto law as the established norm.
This is the problem when you start adjusting normal to suit your own ends, who decides what is "normal"

 

[sptrawler]

It might only be a small stand, but Father Chris Riley is voicing what several of us on the forum have been saying.
With this minority government in power and all the pandering and backscratching that goes with it.
It tends to lead to fringe policies being forced through, despite the fact they may or may not be appropriate. Thus resulting in policy not reflecting the wishes of the majority of voters.
Not that I have a stance on the pokie reforms as it really isn't an issue in W.A.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/7m-jobless-in-us-can-no-longer-claim-dole-20111202-1obew.html

 

[Julia]

sp, your link goes to an article about jobless in the USA.

The good Father has been accused by the fans of pokie pre-commitment of having a conflict of interest in that he apparently receives a pretty large amount of funding from the clubs for his Youth on the Streets program.

He says not, according to ABC radio, and that he's upset about Andrew Wilkie's disproportionate amount of power. Totally agree with him on that.

 

[sptrawler]

That was a strange one, thanks Julia, here's the link.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/why-i-joi...pokie-reform-father-chris-20111207-1ohvp.html

 

[Eager]

I think this whole gay marriage thing is a crock.

Yes.

Gays say they want equality, but in reality, what they are seeking is a concession.

 

[sptrawler]

Just wondering, If this all goes through, will it be as easy to bring over a "lady boy" from Thailand.
As a Thai female bride?

 

[Eager]

Just wondering, If this all goes through, will it be as easy to bring over a "lady boy" from Thailand as a Thai female bride?

Have you had difficulties with this in the past?

 

[pixel]

The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
Two Different Versions ...... with Different Morals

OLD VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.
The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:
Be responsible for yourself!


MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.

Channel 7,9, & 10 News, and A Current Affair show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. The country is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Julia Gillard appears on A Current Affair with the grasshopper and everybody cries.

The Green Party stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing 'We shall overcome.'

Green Party Leader Bob Brown condemns the ant and blames The Liberals, Capitalism and Global warming for the grasshopper's plight. Wayne Swan exclaims in an interview with TV News that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally to gain votes to win an election , the Government drafts the Economic Equity & Anti- Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to consider how his hard work and preparation has affected the Grasshoppers Mana and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated under the Government Land Repo Act and given to the grasshopper.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government confiscated house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant ´s old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared to Vanuatu, never to be seen again.

The grasshopper is found dead in a Drugs related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of Skinhead spiders who terrorise the once prosperous and peaceful, neighbourhood.

MORAL OF THIS STORY:
Be careful how you vote !

 

[sptrawler]

Have you had difficulties with this in the past?

No, none what so ever a lot of my friends are married to Thai's.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Thanks Pixel. Just e-mailed that story to many.

 

[sptrawler]

Pixel, too close to the truth to comment on.
I will cop the reprisals of the grasshoppers mates.
Anything could happen my house and family could by targeted for being sympathetic to hard working Australians.
Sorry mate, it's just too risky.

 

[Julia]

No, none what so ever a lot of my friends are married to Thai's.

Um, sp, I might be wrong, but I suspect Eager's post was rather tongue in cheek.

Following Pixel's story about the ant and the grasshopper, the following was broadcast this evening on ABC Local Radio.

The Difference Between a Left Winger and a Conservative. Ain't this the truth?

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a left wingerl doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't` eat meat. If a left winger is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. If a left winger wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a left wingerl is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a person of color is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their left wing counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A left winger wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Left wingers demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A left wing non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A left winger demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed. If a left winger slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.

A left winger will delete it because he's "offended".

 

[sptrawler]

Um, sp, I might be wrong, but I suspect Eager's post was rather tongue in cheek

Yes,I was just quantifying which tonque in which cheek.
The fact still remains it opens a lot of avenues for bringing people to Australia under the spouse ruling, that are not available at the moment.
Just think on the ramifications of that one.IMO
By the way if I am way off track, someone put me straight, in this politicaly correct world.

 

[sptrawler]

Well, Duh, even the S.M.H has woken up to the fact the whole country is being railroaded by a minor party.
It's just a shame it has taken so long, the resulting pain will be a lasting reminder.LOL

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-now-practises-what-greens-preach-20111207-1oj3m.html

The greens have brought about change, that probably would not have happened, other than for the self centered self serving labor goons, feathering their own nests.
Well thats my opinion, it could be wrong.LOL

 

[bellenuit]

Um, sp, I might be wrong, but I suspect Eager's post was rather tongue in cheek.

Following Pixel's story about the ant and the grasshopper, the following was broadcast this evening on ABC Local Radio.

That's a very interesting post and though I would regard myself as centrist, but leaning a bit to the conservative side, I would't agree with every item.

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a left wingerl doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

John Howard outlawed most guns

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a left wingerl is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

Weren't some of the most vocal homophobes in America outed as being closet homosexuals. For example - evangelical pastor Ted Haggard. Except he wanted homosexuality outlawed, not legalised.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed. If a left winger slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.

I can't remember the guys name, but wasn't it a Liberal MP or Senator that sued some bicycle rental shop in Canberra after he fell off a rental bike near parliament and received some minor injuries, even though the store owner had warned him that he was too heavy for the bike. I am going back perhaps 15 years or more.

 

[Logique]

Well, Duh, even the S.M.H has woken up to the fact the whole country is being railroaded by a minor party. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-now-practises-what-greens-preach-20111207-1oj3m.html Well thats my opinion, it could be wrong.LOL

Good article from P Sheehan, for which as bloggers said, Labor staffers will hammer him, in typical 'play the man' style.

The forum has been onto these charlatans for a long time.

 

[medicowallet]

Just wondering, If this all goes through, will it be as easy to bring over a "lady boy" from Thailand.
As a Thai female bride?

This is a very interesting point. I wonder if the government is contemplating this and whether there is any $$ to be made bring males over from other countries (not a sexist comment, a realist comment)

 

[Calliope]

I can't remember the guys name, but wasn't it a Liberal MP or Senator that sued some bicycle rental shop in Canberra after he fell off a rental bike near parliament and received some minor injuries, even though the store owner had warned him that he was too heavy for the bike. I am going back perhaps 15 years or more.

Your left wing bias shows. Here are the facts;

IN THE midst of the worst economic downturn and the highest unemployment for 60 years, Australians have been preoccupied by one issue: the drama over Leo McLeay, Speaker of the Parliament, falling off a bicycle.
The uproar was not so much over the fall, as how he was quietly awarded compensation of Adollars 65,000 ( pounds 28,000) by the government.

Mr McLeay is an MP with the ruling Labor Party and a long-time colleague of Paul Keating, the Prime Minister. The affair might normally have gone unnoticed, but with a general election looming it has shot into headlines and threatens to rock Mr Keating's campaign strategy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/canberra-speaker-skids-into-scandal-1470753.html