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SirRumpole said:
I agree, and pretty obviously it's down to one thing, the personality of Donald J. Trump.

Aggressive, abusive, bullying and denigrating his opponents. His followers take his personality and project it into their own views on this forum and that provokes a reaction from the other side.

Who were the candidates in 2012 ?

Obama and Romney.

Two gentlemen who could have a civil argument and shake hands afterwards. No bullying, just a discussion of the issues.

That's why it's a good thing that Trump is gone, even though I agreed with some of his policies.

The leaders lead the debate, in the vein of their own personalities.
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I don't disagree with you, but how much of that has been amplified and manipulated by a media, which has been determined to undermine him. Not that it would have been hard, with his ridiculous presentation.

On the same theme until the virus came along Morrison was being crucified by the media, the disparaging photo's heading every news piece, now his popularity has rocketed due to handling the virus it has abated, but no doubt it will crank up again as soon as the virus passes.
24/7 news IMO has made the world a sad, depressing place and is one of the main reasons I don't actually watch any T.V news.
I see now in the media they are after a couple of politicians for affairs, jeez I bet there are heaps of them ducking for cover ATM.
I don't think that is a new thing, I can think of a few over the years from all sides.lol
 
SirRumpole said:
I agree, and pretty obviously it's down to one thing, the personality of Donald J. Trump.

Aggressive, abusive, bullying and denigrating his opponents. His followers take his personality and project it into their own views on this forum and that provokes a reaction from the other side.
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Bingo. And not just this forum.... everywhere.

You disagree with these people, therefore you are inferior, uneducated, blind, sycophant or an apparatchik.

I have two posters on ignore for the above reason which is why I support the two way ignore app.

One of them continually posts fake news because they didn't bother checking their stuff before submitting it and the other one does it for the sake of nothing.
 
SirRumpole said:
I agree, and pretty obviously it's down to one thing, the personality of Donald J. Trump.
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Well, my observations have led me to a different conclusion. I trace this all the way back to 2014 and the rise of political correctness. The left started going further to the left and in response the right went further to the right. The middle ground kind of emptied out and moderates and centrists were seen as enemies by both sides. They were pathetic ditherers and fence sitters who couldn't decide what political tribe to join. You couldn't have a foot in each camp. It was either black or white.

Trump just took advantange of the inflamed political atmosphere and fanned the flames for his own purposes.

Antifa hit the headlines in early 2017 and things just spiralled out of control. Throw in a dash of the alt-right, social media and cancel culture and you have the recipe for a very potent and turbulent political extremism soup.
 
Joe Blow said:
Well, my observations have led me to a different conclusion. I trace this all the way back to 2014 and the rise of political correctness. The left started going further to the left and in response the right went further to the right. The middle ground kind of emptied out and moderates and centrists were seen as enemies by both sides. They were pathetic ditherers and fence sitters who couldn't decide what political tribe to join. You couldn't have a foot in each camp. It was either black or white.

Trump just took advantange of the inflamed political atmosphere and fanned the flames for his own purposes.

Antifa hit the headlines in early 2017 and things just spiralled out of control. Throw in a dash of the alt-right, social media and cancel culture and you have the recipe for a very potent and turbulent political extremism soup.
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No doubt that PC, Me Too , BLM , even climate activism have played a part in division, but just because they have arisen doesn't mean that they are necessarily wrong, but some are certainly carried out in a radical way which does inflame tensions.

PC for the sake of it that ignores facts is certainly one area that makes me see red (not necessarily politically) as is the assumption that because any gender warrior, ethnic person or minority group says something therefore it must be correct, without any examination of the facts behind their statement.

But it's when these extremists start running for power is when the damage really happens . People basically have to listen to them because they might be voting for them. A small group of climate activists are a nuisance to the majority but while people ignore them, they latch onto politicians that strike a chord with their own grievances.
 
Joe Blow said:
Well, my observations have led me to a different conclusion. I trace this all the way back to 2014 and the rise of political correctness. The left started going further to the left and in response the right went further to the right. The middle ground kind of emptied out and moderates and centrists were seen as enemies by both sides. They were pathetic ditherers and fence sitters who couldn't decide what political tribe to join. You couldn't have a foot in each camp. It was either black or white.

Trump just took advantange of the inflamed political atmosphere and fanned the flames for his own purposes.

Antifa hit the headlines in early 2017 and things just spiralled out of control. Throw in a dash of the alt-right, social media and cancel culture and you have the recipe for a very potent and turbulent political extremism soup.
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I wish you would comment more often.;)

I would disagree about the left being more left in terms of driving higher living conditions, health and wages but would agree the left getting lost in the culture wars which bring little to the masses.
 
Joe Blow said:
Well, my observations have led me to a different conclusion. I trace this all the way back to 2014 and the rise of political correctness. The left started going further to the left and in response the right went further to the right. The middle ground kind of emptied out and moderates and centrists were seen as enemies by both sides. They were pathetic ditherers and fence sitters who couldn't decide what political tribe to join. You couldn't have a foot in each camp. It was either black or white.

Trump just took advantange of the inflamed political atmosphere and fanned the flames for his own purposes.

Antifa hit the headlines in early 2017 and things just spiralled out of control. Throw in a dash of the alt-right, social media and cancel culture and you have the recipe for a very potent and turbulent political extremism soup.
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Thinking further back, I think that the start of the "great divide" was climate change.

It's a scientific movement, but was perceived by the Right as an attack by the Left on their "rights" to make easy money by digging large amounts of stuff out of the ground and flogging them off to the highest bidder.

"Climate change is crap" became the battle cry of the Right, and the two sides feircly divided after that. Any popular movement was considered automatically Left and an assault on traditional values.
 
The divide today is about as clear as it gets because the choice you have is...

Donating a few thousand bucks to Donald Trump's recount effort ( well half of it anyway - the other half of your money is to service his debts :) ) to increase your impact by 1,000%

Or

Not donating a few thousand bucks to Donald Trump's recount effort to increase your impact by 1,000%

:)
 
SirRumpole said:
Thinking further back, I think that the start of the "great divide" was climate change.

It's a scientific movement, but was perceived by the Right as an attack by the Left on their "rights" to make easy money by digging large amounts of stuff out of the ground and flogging them off to the highest bidder.

"Climate change is crap" became the battle cry of the Right, and the two sides feircly divided after that. Any popular movement was considered automatically Left and an assault on traditional values.
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I actually think you are correct except for one small omission, the left screaming that everything that could possibly effect the climate needs to be stopped immediately, if they had been less fanatical about it they may not have received an equal and opposite reaction.

Just my opinion, but the left seem to have adopted an "it's my way or the highway" approach, which doesn't sit well with many people.
Yet when someone else adopts the same approach to an issue (eg Margaret Court, Israel Folau) they take offence to it, which tends to smack of hypocrisy and loses them credibility.

Like I said only my opinion, but many of my friends who profess to be left leaning regarding climate, do very little personally to mitigate their carbon footprint, but no doubt they sleep easy knowing they have been trying to convert many during the day. ?

The real issue is, the left feel they have the monopoly on righteousness and those who don't agree 100% with them are wrong and require purging. They are becoming a very creepy bunch IMO and I class myself as middle of the road and am an atheist.

One last comment on your post Rumy, the last part where you say "any popular movement", the thing that classes it as popular is the media and the media play to those who are easiest to incite which are the fanatics.
Like I say only my opinion.
 
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IFocus said:
I wish you would comment more often.;)

I would disagree about the left being more left in terms of driving higher living conditions, health and wages but would agree the left getting lost in the culture wars which bring little to the masses.
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One of the values of having @Joe Blow as the Consigliere is that when he comments people read his comments slowly and digest them.

gg
 
sptrawler said:
Like I said only my opinion, but many of my friends who profess to be left leaning regarding climate, do very little personally to mitigate their carbon footprint, but no doubt they sleep easy knowing they have been trying to convert many during the day. ?
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This is 100% correct.
 
sptrawler said:
Just my opinion, but the left seem to have adopted an "it's my way or the highway" approach, which doesn't sit well with many people.
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Certainly there is the fanatical Left who want us to go back to living in caves and I don't have much respect for them, but I wouldn't put a large majority of scientists in this field in that group.

The way that conservative governments here and elsewhere have marginalised and defunded scientists and their organisations for speaking the truth that governments don't want to hear is pretty low imo. Another reason I welcomed Biden's election, he seems to want to reverse Trump's defunding.

I hope that some government will do the same here.
 
It isn't the scientists that are marching in the streets, trying to hoist christians up onto crosses and filling social media with crap.

Also it isn't just climate change they are fanatical about, it is any issue they deem worthy and usually originates in the media.
 
IFocus said:
I wish you would comment more often.;)

I would disagree about the left being more left in terms of driving higher living conditions, health and wages but would agree the left getting lost in the culture wars which bring little to the masses.
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SirRumpole said:
Thinking further back, I think that the start of the "great divide" was climate change.

It's a scientific movement, but was perceived by the Right as an attack by the Left on their "rights" to make easy money by digging large amounts of stuff out of the ground and flogging them off to the highest bidder.

"Climate change is crap" became the battle cry of the Right, and the two sides feircly divided after that. Any popular movement was considered automatically Left and an assault on traditional values.
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This will be my last post on the matter. I hate posting in General Chat threads.

History has taught us two important things:

1. The left doesn't have all the answers and neither does the right.
2. Governments are like underwear, you need to change them often. If you don't you get complacency and corruption, on both sides.

So everyone should lay off the political tribalism. We shouldn't be shouting down alternative views, we should be embracing them. All of us should challenge everything we believe on a daily basis because it's all just ideas that we have conjured up in our own heads and these ideas cannot be relied upon, even though we want to believe that they represent some kind of truth.

Whatever we think we know to be true is just conclusions we have reached as a result of the values we have taken from our upbringing and our life experiences as adults. No matter how many experiences we have had in life, there is an almost infinite amount of experiences we haven't had and perspectives we can't see. So we are all blinkered and have narrow fields of vision.

Ideology is just useless groupthink. One issue at a time is how we should proceed. Times change and so do the answers we seek.

But don't listen to me, what do I know?
 
Joe Blow said:
Governments are like underwear, you need to change them often. If you don't you get complacency and corruption, on both sides.
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That needs to be put in bolds, never have truer words been said. :xyxthumbs
 
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@Joe Blow has just schooled all of us in critical thinking and political neutrality.

In a forum like this, our job as investors and traders should not be shilling for our particular tribal predilection, rather, how to either a) benefit from, or b) hedge against, any political eventuality.

In either case the monetary and possibly fiscal momentum he's not going to be substantively different between the democrats and republicans, or our local facsimiles of the same.

Our job is to figure out what that reality is going to be.
 

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