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satanoperca said:
Read what you have been saying, but thanks, love the new title.
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why would I need to read would I have been saying when I have written what I have been saying?

Why not make some sort of a case on why my social media shares are somehow not valid, especially as there is usually video evidence contained within them?
 
You select what you want to see and the data set is so small, it confirms what you want to believe than rather what is happening.

But that would be asking you to expand your thoughts, as has been shown you would rather attack.

I was trying to be helpful, we all need time off to rest and reflect.
 
satanoperca said:
You select what you want to see and the data set is so small, it confirms what you want to believe than rather what is happening.

But that would be asking you to expand your thoughts, as has been shown you would rather attack.

I was trying to be helpful, we all need time off to rest and reflect.
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Are you projecting?
 
I must admit that I am very pleased that the world never had to suffer Mike Pence as President of the USA.

Biden could not be worse than Pence, a godbothering toady with a distinct dollar spread burnt toast take on the message of a considerable historical figure and a force for good in many peoples lives called Jesus Christ.

gg
 
Oh well China has started applying the screws on Australia, now that 'big brother' has gone, it should be an interesting period for us.

au.news.yahoo.com

China's stark call for Australia to make urgent changes after US election

Chinese state media has warned of devastating consequences if Australia doesn't rethink its position on China after Donald Trump lost the US election.
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From the article:

Chinese state media has issued Australia with a stark post-US election warning, telling Canberra it risks permanently destroying its ties with China if relations continue on their current trajectory.

Australia has enjoyed a strong relationship with the US during Donald Trump’s presidency, with both nations taking a firm stance on China, particularly seeking answers to the origins of the coronavirus pandemic and a perceived increase in coercion from Beijing.

However, Australia’s position as one of Washington’s favoured allies is up in the air under president-elect Joe Biden’s leadership, with a China Daily editorial urging Australia to think carefully about its next steps.


On Friday, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin called on the Australian government to “do more” to restore a favourable China-Australia comprehensive strategic partnership.

China-Australian relations have once again come under the spotlight this month as reports of further Australian exports being shunned by China.

Beijing is increasingly targeting multi-billion dollar Australian industries including wine, beef and grain as diplomatic tensions sour, fuelled by what the Chinese Foreign Ministry label as “interference” into internal matters including Taiwan, Hong Kong and the South China Sea
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I must admit that I am very pleased that the world never had to suffer Mike Pence as President of the USA.

Biden could not be worse than Pence, a godbothering toady with a distinct dollar spread burnt toast take on the message of a considerable historical figure and a force for good in many peoples lives called Jesus Christ.

gg
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Notwithstanding one's own belief system regarding said religious figure, can you explain, in terms of general culture, why you think Harris is preferable to Pence as VP and potential/eventual POTUS?

Dipping my hand a little, I find the prospect of Kamala as POTUS extremely alarming to be honest.
 
SirRumpole said:
You haven't explained why you consider Harris VP "extremely alarming" .
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"Extremely" left wing.

I consider any extreme alarming.

Trump/Pence, while triggering to some, are not extreme in any way, shape or form in their politics.

Biden himself is not either.

But Harris is; examine her voting record and actions as prosecutor.

Additionally, she has shown herself as one who will compromise personal integrity for political gain... She had ****ed her way into positions of power. What else is she willing to sacrifice for political gain?

Her record here is not encouraging.

There is a reason she was unpopular in the primaries
 
wayneL said:
Notwithstanding one's own belief system regarding said religious figure, can you explain, in terms of general culture, why you think Harris is preferable to Pence as VP and potential/eventual POTUS?

Dipping my hand a little, I find the prospect of Kamala as POTUS extremely alarming to be honest.
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I would agree @wayneL .

Harris is Biden's Pence. The US is not in a good situation until the next cleansing in 2024. This is possibly End of Empire stuff unfortunately.

gg
 
wayneL said:
But Harris is; examine her voting record and actions as prosecutor.
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Apparently she was pretty tough on blacks as a prosecutor. Doesn't sound like a Left Winger. Would an extreme Left person be a defence lawyer ?

Anyway, from my brief knowledge of her I think she's a bit of a conundrum. She may have enveigled her way to the top for all I know. She seems a bit pushy. I don't like pushy women in positions of power (ie Margaret Thatcher). Anyway , as I said it's not our problem.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I would agree @wayneL .

Harris is Biden's Pence. The US is not in a good situation until the next cleansing in 2024. This is possibly End of Empire stuff unfortunately.

gg
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SirRumpole said:
Apparently she was pretty tough on blacks as a prosecutor. Doesn't sound like a Left Winger. Would an extreme Left person be a defence lawyer ?

Anyway, from my brief knowledge of her I think she's a bit of a conundrum. She may have enveigled her way to the top for all I know. She seems a bit pushy. I don't like pushy women in positions of power (ie Margaret Thatcher). Anyway , as I said it's not our problem.
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Have you read the Gulag Archipelago?

Edit, mistakenly quoted GG here
 
Horrors asks us at very valid question here, why do we in Australia care so much about the American election results?

I've stated my reasons, but answers outstanding for the rest of the members here, especially those who have bombarded us with anti Trump rhetoric here for the last 5 years... And even discussion on Obama for the previous 8.

I think the answer is simply this, as America goes, so do the rest of us at some later point.

Case in point... why did the rest of the west have incidents emanating from the George Ffloyd incident?

Nothing whatsoever to do with us.

It still remains a good question, why?
 
wayneL said:
Horrors asks us at very valid question here, why do we in Australia care so much about the American election results?

I've stated my reasons, but answers outstanding for the rest of the members here, especially those who have bombarded us with anti Trump rhetoric here for the last 5 years... And even discussion on Obama for the previous 8.

I think the answer is simply this, as America goes, so do the rest of us at some later point.

Case in point... why did the rest of the west have incidents emanating from the George Ffloyd incident?

Nothing whatsoever to do with us.

It still remains a good question, why?
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Good points @wayneL

Unfortunately Trump was such a polarising, shameless, lying huckster the sins of antifa and other fascist organisations will for now not be front and centre.

gg
 
SirRumpole said:
Apparently she was pretty tough on blacks as a prosecutor. Doesn't sound like a Left Winger. Would an extreme Left person be a defence lawyer ?

Anyway, from my brief knowledge of her I think she's a bit of a conundrum. She may have enveigled her way to the top for all I know. She seems a bit pushy. I don't like pushy women in positions of power (ie Margaret Thatcher). Anyway , as I said it's not our problem.
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I love pushy women.

gg
 
wayneL said:
Horrors asks us at very valid question here, why do we in Australia care so much about the American election results?

I've stated my reasons, but answers outstanding for the rest of the members here, especially those who have bombarded us with anti Trump rhetoric here for the last 5 years... And even discussion on Obama for the previous 8.

I think the answer is simply this, as America goes, so do the rest of us at some later point.

Case in point... why did the rest of the west have incidents emanating from the George Ffloyd incident?

Nothing whatsoever to do with us.

It still remains a good question, why?
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Why not compare the tone of the 2012 Presidential Election thread with the 2020 thread. The 2012 thread has an almost bemused, detached feel to it. No extreme positions. No bile spit at others. No hand wringing. No, "It's gunna be the end of the world if the other guy gets elected!!" histrionics.

Perhaps I've been noticing this more than most, but people have increasingly been taking more extreme political positions in the last five years or so, and it has incrementally been getting worse year by year. Instead of seeing those on the other side of the political fence as people with just slightly different ways of looking at the world, they are now seen as enemies who must be treated like the dirty infidels that they are.

And what has suffered most as a result of this regrettable trend toward rigid dogmatism is the tone and general level of debate and discussion. It has sunk to all time lows. We have become snarling, bile spitting, defenders of the one and only truth that exists, which is.... wait for it...

Whatever we have convinced ourselves is true as friggin' usual.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill, stop getting high on ideology, and start actually listening to others... and after taking on board what they say, arguing the point respectfully, rationally, and in good faith. No insults, disparagement, or denigration of others is required.
 
Joe Blow said:
Why not compare the tone of the 2012 Presidential Election thread with the 2020 thread. The 2012 thread has an almost bemused, detached feel to it. No extreme positions. No bile spit at others. No hand wringing. No, "It's gunna be the end of the world if the other guy gets elected!!" histrionics.

Perhaps I've been noticing this more than most, but people have increasingly been taking more extreme political positions in the last five years or so, and it has incrementally been getting worse year by year. Instead of seeing those on the other side of the political fence as people with just slightly different ways of looking at the world, they are now seen as enemies who must be treated like the dirty infidels that they are.

And what has suffered most as a result of this regrettable trend toward rigid dogmatism is the tone and general level of debate and discussion. It has sunk to all time lows. We have become snarling, bile spitting, defenders of the one and only truth that exists, which is.... wait for it...

Whatever we have convinced ourselves is true as friggin' usual.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill, stop getting high on ideology, and start actually listening to others... and after taking on board what they say, arguing the point respectfully, rationally, and in good faith. No insults, disparagement, or denigration of others is required.
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I agree, and pretty obviously it's down to one thing, the personality of Donald J. Trump.

Aggressive, abusive, bullying and denigrating his opponents. His followers take his personality and project it into their own views on this forum and that provokes a reaction from the other side.

Who were the candidates in 2012 ?

Obama and Romney.

Two gentlemen who could have a civil argument and shake hands afterwards. No bullying, just a discussion of the issues.

That's why it's a good thing that Trump is gone, even though I agreed with some of his policies.

The leaders lead the debate, in the vein of their own personalities.
 

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