The Australian Greens party

Sean K · 8 September 2011

Re: The Greens

They have only a limited, vague objectives GG.

None of which are long term beneficial to human kind.

Nice short term warm and fuzzies though.

If we followed green/left wing policies there would be about 500 bil people on the planet scavenging for bits.

Garpal Gumnut · 8 September 2011

Re: The Greens

These are their 4 Core Beliefs

Ecological sustainability
Grassroots participatory democracy
Social justice
Peace and non-violence

gg

Sean K · 8 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Garpal Gumnut said:
These are their 4 Core Beliefs

Ecological sustainability
Grassroots participatory democracy
Social justice
Peace and non-violence

gg

Yes, but that is the outcome of what policy?

Their policies may not result in that outcome.

What is a policy of the Greens that would result in 'peace' for eg?

Garpal Gumnut · 8 September 2011

Re: The Greens

kennas said:
Yes, but that is the outcome of what policy?

Their policies may not result in that outcome.

What is a policy of the Greens that would result in 'peace' for eg?

I would agree Kennas,

Their policy on Israel/Palestine for example seems a bit one-eyed.

I have Zionist and Palestinian friends who view their policy with alarm and delight respectively.

gg

Calliope · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

kennas said:
Y
What is a policy of the Greens that would result in 'peace' for eg?

Same sex marriage? Perhaps not. War usually breaks out after the nuptials.

jimmyizgod · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

to be fair, what are the policies of the labour or liberal parties, and how do they achieve their goals?
damned if you do, damned if you don't.

explod · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

NOTICE OF SPECIAL STATE CONFERENCE
11 NOVEMBER TO 10 DECEMBER 2011

This is official notice to all members of the Australian Greens Victoria (AGV) that there will be a Special State Conference between 11 November and 10 December 2011. The purpose of the Special State Conference is to vote on proposed amendments to the AGV Constitution presented by the Constitutional Review Panel.

The Greens are now only getting down to tin tacks with membership growing and political representation now at a level where it is possible to contemplate a real place.

I can assure you all that there are growing branches of specialist committees into all facits on social and political fronts. It all takes time as this party endeavours to repesent the ideas and views of as many members as possible.

By the time of the next normal round of a Federal Election we should see greater clarity.

Interesting to see this subject allowed on the main ASF page, or am I missing something?

Garpal Gumnut · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

explod said:
The Greens are now only getting down to tin tacks with membership growing and political representation now at a level where it is possible to contemplate a real place.

I can assure you all that there are growing branches of specialist committees into all facits on social and political fronts.

Interesting to see this subject allowed on the main ASF page, or am I missing something?

Perhaps more worrying explod, is that if the Greens ever did gain government, discussion such as this may well not be allowed on ASF, or anywhere else.

1984 beckons.

Be wary of that which you wish for.

gg

Logique · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

The simplest way to think of the Greens is as the world's perpetual Year 10 students. Many people, not just Greens, like the teenage years so much that they decide to stay there for the rest of their lives.

The cliched line is that some of my best friends are..etc, but that is indeed the case with me. I just find their politics bizarre.

Also I think of the Greens as the children of the upper middle class, which they very often are. Run back to Daddy's money afterwards. Too bad for the timber workers, hydro workers and miners, they're out of work.

sptrawler · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Logique said:
The simplest way to think of the Greens is as the world's perpetual Year 10 students. Many people, not just Greens, like the teenage years so much that they decide to stay there for the rest of their lives.

The cliched line is that some of my best friends are..etc, but that is indeed the case with me. I just find their politics bizarre.

Also I think of the Greens as the children of the upper middle class, which they very often are. Run back to Daddy's money afterwards. Too bad for the timber workers, hydro workers and miners, they're out of work.

They always want to appear caring, as long as it doesn't affect them. I don't see Bob Brown calling for a detention centre in Tasmania, no lets put them in S.A and W.A.
Tasmania would be an obvious choice for a detention centre it would give employment to a lot of people that the Greens have put out of work.

medicowallet · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Logique said:
The simplest way to think of the Greens is as the world's perpetual Year 10 students. Many people, not just Greens, like the teenage years so much that they decide to stay there for the rest of their lives.

The cliched line is that some of my best friends are..etc, but that is indeed the case with me. I just find their politics bizarre.

Also I think of the Greens as the children of the upper middle class, which they very often are. Run back to Daddy's money afterwards. Too bad for the timber workers, hydro workers and miners, they're out of work.

This explains it very very well.

Also explains why the greens and labor get the young person vote, then as people mature and realise that the world is not changeable, they go liberal, because that is the best thing for us and the world.

eg (and hopefully this doesn't go off topic) if we have a great economy, we can afford renewable energy. If we root up the economy for religous or crazy scientist beliefs, we cannot afford renewable energy.

Garpal Gumnut · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Logique said:
Also I think of the Greens as the children of the upper middle class, which they very often are. Run back to Daddy's money afterwards. Too bad for the timber workers, hydro workers and miners, they're out of work.

Kim Beazley Snr. said that the modern Labor Party had the dregs of the middle class, perhaps the Greens have the dregs of the upper class.

An interesting article which explores this dynamic can be found here.

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/muehlenberg/2010/08/australia-s-new-class

His entire article is well worth reading. And keep this in mind: if you think things are now bad in the Labor Party, just wait until its leap into bed with the Greens comes to full fruition. Talk about an oppressive New Class warring against the masses. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet./QUOTE]

Ho hum.

gg

Logique · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Great article GG.

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/mue...ia-s-new-class
"...Kim Beazley Sr. famously took a strong stance against this madness... '..And what I want to know is when you middle class perverts are going to stop using the Labor Party as a spiritual spitoon.'"

explod · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Garpal Gumnut said:
Perhaps more worrying explod, is that if the Greens ever did gain government, discussion such as this may well not be allowed on ASF, or anywhere else.

1984 beckons.

Be wary of that which you wish for.

gg

Rubbish. Your scaremongering reminds me of the Liberals under Menzies and that there were commos everywhere, and pray for the conversion of Russia, yet the years that followed saw some of the best for this nation and exports to these so called devils were a big part of it.

How could we ever forget "Pig Ion Bob" who sold material to the Japs so that they could drop bombs on us.

One of the great things about you GG is that you make a lot of noise with little or no substance.

The Greens consist of ordinary Australians looking for better grass roots representation in Government, better education, public transport, public hospitals and non-involvement in the domestic issues of other countries, ie. war to protect the oil and gas fields for the Septic tanks and the production of arms for all sides.

Garpal Gumnut · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

explod said:
Rubbish. Your scaremongering reminds me of the Liberals under Menzies and that there were commos everywhere, and pray for the conversion of Russia, yet the years that followed saw some of the best for this nation and exports to these so called devils were a big part of it.

How could we ever forget "Pig Ion Bob" who sold material to the Japs so that they could drop bombs on us.

One of the great things about you GG is that you make a lot of noise with little or no substance.

The Greens consist of ordinary Australians looking for better grass roots representation in Government, better education, public transport, public hospitals and non-involvement in the domestic issues of other countries, ie. war to protect the oil and gas fields for the Septic tanks and the production of arms for all sides.

Good on you explod, your last paragraph would fit well with LNP and ALP dogma, so the Greens do not necessarily have the high ground.

What they do have though are Watermelon Greens, with a different agenda from those with green aspirations. And they are organised. And they will win out at your "peoples forums".

gg

medicowallet · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

explod said:
The Greens consist of ordinary Australians looking for better grass roots representation in Government, better education, public transport, public hospitals and non-involvement in the domestic issues of other countries, ie. war to protect the oil and gas fields for the Septic tanks and the production of arms for all sides.

And if the children pray enough, the earthmother will provide the money to do all of this.

explod · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Garpal Gumnut said:
What they do have though are Watermelon Greens, with a different agenda from those with green aspirations. And they are organised. And they will win out at your "peoples forums".

gg

Care to elaborate on the meaning of "Watermelon Greens" and the distinction of the "green aspera..."nts ?

Garpal Gumnut · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

explod said:
Care to elaborate on the meaning of "Watermelon Greens" and the distinction of the "green aspera..."nts ?

No worries.

I am a green. I respect my fellow person, I try not to bump others with my trolley in the supermarket and I leave my trolley back in the trolley bay. I work and I realise that people who don't work did not have the luck or advantage that I had. I have a garden and I try to live a simple life. I enjoy the fruits of modernity and I think the stacks in Mt.Isa are beautiful, providing wealth for me and my kin.

Watermelon Greens are reds. Red on the inside and green on the outer. They are the same sad sacks who supported Mao, Pol Pot and Brezhnev during the cold war. They have a socio-political agenda which is akin to communism. Somewhat like a religious fervour. They see the green movement as a means to achieve their ends. They will oppose anything that gets in the way of achieving their aims. They see individuals as pawns in a bigger religious game.

gg

explod · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

Garpal Gumnut said:
No worries.

I am a green. I respect my fellow person, I try not to bump others with my trolley in the supermarket and I leave my trolley back in the trolley bay. I work and I realise that people who don't work did not have the luck or advantage that I had. I have a garden and I try to live a simple life. I enjoy the fruits of modernity and I think the stacks in Mt.Isa are beautiful, providing wealth for me and my kin.

Watermelon Greens are reds. Red on the inside and green on the outer. They are the same sad sacks who supported Mao, Pol Pot and Brezhnev during the cold war. They have a socio-political agenda which is akin to communism. Somewhat like a religious fervour. They see the green movement as a means to achieve their ends. They will oppose anything that gets in the way of achieving their aims. They see individuals as pawns in a bigger religious game.

gg

That's your opinion and I respect that.

But what a lot of arm chair gas.

demiser · 9 September 2011

Re: The Greens

While in general I can understand and even support some of the greens philosophies and targets, for the most part I think they can be a tad idealistic.

The problem isn't so much some of the targets, but how they plan to get there, and although I believe having more than just the ALP and LNP running the show (i.e. an extra set of eyes / perspective) the thought of having the greens in any sort of position of power scares me.

Although in some respects I can see where they are coming from, I believe that if any or many of their policies are introduced verbatim, my personal level of comfort will definitely be affected.

The other major issue I find is the short sightedness, or hypocritical nature of some of the things they do or say, but this isn't exactly just a green thing either

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