The Australian Greens party

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Speaking of which. They really do want to de-industrialize the world, and little care for the consequences. Enviro-terrorism, and just the start - more dangerous than Al Qaeda.

Greenpeace chief scales oil rig to protest Arctic drilling France 24 -17 June 2011
http://www.france24.com/en/20110617-greenpeace-chief-scales-oil-rig-protest-arctic-drilling#
"..The head of Greenpeace scaled an oil rig off Greenland to demand a halt to drilling in the Arctic and a copy of the rig owners' oil spill response plan, the environmental group said. AFP -The head of Greenpeace on Friday scaled an oil rig off Greenland to demand a halt to drilling in the Arctic and a copy of the rig owners' oil spill response plan, the environmental group said.."

And last year:
Greenpeace on drill ship off Shetland 'for a month' - BBC News -Noth East, Orkney and Shetland - 22 September 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-11388460
One protester, Leila Deen, said "..We will continue to block risky oil exploration until the government puts a moratorium on new deep sea drilling."

 

[NewOrder]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens lost me big time when they touted introducing death taxes before the last election.

 

[SusanW]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Kevin Andrews, Federal Member for Menzies, has written one of the best historical exposes of the Greens.

The Greens Agenda, in their own words

It is fact that the party always had and continue with a Marxist agenda.

Their MO is to focus on large issues like global warming and global poverty/refugees, which they say demand united national and global intervention. This opens the door to larger govt with more control.

The dignity and the rights of individuals are pushed aside in the process.
Their MO is to convince individuals to surrender more control of their lives, and the fruits of their labor and toil.

As mentioned above, we end up with ideological do gooders, untiringly driven by conscience, telling us we don't know what we are doing, and need them to do it for us, at a high price.

 

[bandicoot76]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

the hypocracy of the greens knows no bounds! you only have to look at the position they took on the murray water management investigation, they say that the lower SA lakes (alexadria)section of the river system is dying & needs more 'environmental' flows, to be found at the expense of cutting irrigation allocations, but fail to mention these lakes were originally salt water esturies that were only altered by the building of the massive concrete barrages in 1930s to keep the seawater out of the lakes so as to change them to freshwater lakes.

the water loss from evaporation of these shallow lakes is 1800 gigs per year (3x sydney harbours) of freshwater, that now comes from upstream sources, that should naturally be seawater.

this fact is ignored by by the greens who are pushing for a further 900 gig cut to agricultural water allocations, where the 'natural' solution would be to open the barrages and return the area to its natural saltwater state...

but that is being conveniently ignored by them as it doesnt fit the greens agenda, which isnt about real environmental solutions but more about using fear & scaremongering to create a political & social power-base!

 

[noco]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Julia Gillard always talks about "I have a plan for the future of Australia".

The Green/ Labor coalition have a blue print for our economy that drastically cuts it's use of resources and sever lines between growth and prosperity.

Lee Rhiannon's parents founded the Communist Party in Australia and Rhiannon is still brainwashed with Communist ideology.

Upon reading the link below, it confirms my previous post, of which certain ASF members claimed as rediculus, that Gillard, who is also tarred with the same brush as Rhiannon, want to destroy our ecomony with their policies of more taxes and imported goods to make our mining, farming and industry non profitable.

Communism infiltrated the trade unions in the 50's and 60's to destroy the Australian economy with strikes for higher wages, increased annual leave, leave loading, penalty rates, demarcation of unionist duties, etc.etc. all in the name of increasing costs to make us non-competitive. The Green/Labor coalition aim to do the same thing by using a different method and that is a mining tax and a carbon dioxide tax. The ban on live cattle exports is also a part of their plan. The cost of maintaining the illegal boat people. The hare brain schemes to counter the "GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS" is all part of their plan demolish the Australian economy.

I hope the link below is enough to kill the critics who insist Gillard would not do it. She and the Greens are doing it and have done so for some time. Glliard is full of deceit, lies and rhetoric and will stop at nothing to sustain her movement.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/the-watermelon-party-20100730-10zsb.html

 

[Purple XS2]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

... what I find puzzling is what the Greens actually mean when they discuss "shutting down coal mining" or similar quotes.

... some coal companies I held shares in got sold to Chinese state owned companies ... they mine the coal, export it to China, and keep the profits.
...
Sure royalties or taxes can be raised, but I would not want to be the person trying to tell China that any serious restriction would be placed on coal extraction (that they need) from Australia by Chinese owned companies.

Good luck with that one

Australia, being the worlds biggest coal exporter, has a little problem: our local efforts to reduce CO2 emission mean diddlie-squat against the fact that we are a major agent in turning carbon in the ground into CO2 in the atmosphere by mining and selling it. Even were political will to arise to curtail coal mining/export; as awg says, there are strategic difficulties that may arise - Australia would be the first piece of real estate to change hands if/when the current geopolitical truce fails

So if greenhouse emissions and climate change is genuine, we're locked in to adding more fuel to the fire: not an enviable position, unless of course the whole greenhouse thing is just some silly hoax which will go away soon (which it isn't, and so it won't).

I'm not too confident about the Greens ability to assess anything in strategic terms, and I try this all the time because I'm one of them ..!!!. Lucky for me that I've got rabid-greenie hating forums like this one to keep me grounded.

From the inside I can offer the opinion that there's no marxist masonic alien conspiracy happening. Greenies are just a bit limited and narrow-minded: just like everybody else, in fact.

Discl: I am limited
Discl: I am narrow minded
How about you?

 

[Ferret]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Noco,

Stop spouting rubbish. Communism's day in the sun was half a century ago. No one takes it seriously any more.

 

[Logique]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

...they say that the lower SA lakes (alexadria)section of the river system is dying....but fail to mention these lakes were originally salt water esturies that were only altered by the building of the massive concrete barrages in 1930s to keep the seawater out of the lakes so as to change them to freshwater lakes...the water loss from evaporation of these shallow lakes is 1800 gigs per year (3x sydney harbours) of freshwater, that now comes from upstream sources, that should naturally be seawater...

Very interesting Bandicoot. Concrete barges are hardly natural environment.

 

[noco]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Noco,

Stop spouting rubbish. Communism's day in the sun was half a century ago. No one takes it seriously any more.

Ok Ferret, can you explain to me why this Green/Labor government are still borrowing $135,000,000 per day?

Why is this incompotent Green/Labor government still building Julia Gillard memorial halls and libraries three years after the GFC? 15 schools in Tasmania who received these overpriced buildings are to be closed by the state Green/Labor government next year.

Why is this Green/Labor government still spending tax payers money fixing the now defunct pink bats scheme?

Why is this Green/Labor government hell bent on closing coal mines and coal fired power stations? Don't tell me they are banking on using solar or wind power. That is a NO,NO when it comes to base load power.

Do you really believe the introduction of a Carbon dioxide tax will will have any affect on the climate?

Do you not believe the Green/Labor carbon dioxide tax will send business overseas, will add to inflation and increase unemployment.

Labor might be in government, but the Greens hold the power and come the 1st July the Greens will hold the balance of power in the senate.
This Green/Labor government have wasted billions of tax payers money which should have been invested in better hospitals and infrastructure.

You obviously have not fully read the link provded as the intentions of this Green/Labor government and that is to destroy the economy of this great country of ours.
Do you really believe this Green/Labor government will have the economy back in surplus by 2012/13. If you do you must still believe in Santa Clause.

 

[Ferret]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Sure, Noco. I can answer all of those questions.

My answer is because they are a hopeless, incompetent government.

And your answer is because they are all communists hell-bent on destroying Australia.

You haven't actually said why they would want to destroy Australia. Is it because they are traitors working for some foreign power who they will run back to when the job is done? Or do you think they are all such twisted individuals that they sought out leadership of the country just so that they could take delight in its destruction?

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Or do you think they are all such twisted individuals that they sought out leadership of the country just so that they could take delight in its destruction?

I think you have accidently ferretted out the right answer.

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Or do you think they are all such twisted individuals that they sought out leadership of the country just so that they could take delight in its destruction?

Closer to the truth is that the Greens are pursuing their idiological beliefs at the expense of Australia's economy.

Same for some within Labor, but in relation to power.

Overall though, the Greens though are cleverer. They are using Labor's quest to maintain power to get through their carbon tax. If it gets up, the Greens will have got what they want and it will be Labor who pays electorally.

 

[noco]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Sure, Noco. I can answer all of those questions.

My answer is because they are a hopeless, incompetent government.

And your answer is because they are all communists hell-bent on destroying Australia.

You haven't actually said why they would want to destroy Australia. Is it because they are traitors working for some foreign power who they will run back to when the job is done? Or do you think they are all such twisted individuals that they sought out leadership of the country just so that they could take delight in its destruction?

Ferret, my view is the ideology of Gillard and the Greens is to nationalize banks, mining, farming and manufacturing. It is a hidden agenda which these socialist do not want you to know about. They use the chicanery of the enviroment and grabing as much as they can from the "GREEDY" miners which they preach to the naive that they should have a share of the profits without any investment.

Their modus operandi is to run down the above mentioned to a point where they become unviable to operate. This is when socialist government move to have everything controlled by the state. It has failed in the past because of the lack of incentive for those placed in charge. Whitlam attempted to do it by 'BUYING BACK THE FARM'. He wanted to borrow billions of dollars from the Arabs to do it.

One of the first moves a socialist government makes is the control of communications and the media. This is becoming more evident in the Green/Labor Governments control of the ABC and Gillards clamp on Labor Ministers and back benchers from making statements before being veted by her. Her comrades are given their set lines daily and if they do not adhere to those lines they will be ostracised. Control of the media is a 'MUST' for socialist government. BTW don't forget the NBN and what goes through will eventually be controlled by this socialist government as well. They thrive on what ever propaganda they believe will have a psychological effect on ones mind.

Gillard is a self confessed atheist. Communism and religion are like chalk and cheese; they just don't mix.

All I say is, thanks goodness for our Westminster system which will put a stop to this government whether it be this year, next year or 2013. Fortunately, the majority of voters have seen through this government for what it stands for; just look at the polls!!!!!!! God help this country if ever we became a republic.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...sound-on-economy/story-e6frgd0x-1226081600286

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Noco,

Stop spouting rubbish. Communism's day in the sun was half a century ago. No one takes it seriously any more.

The Greens have publicly suggested that the CO2 issue may require a suspension of the democratic process or words to that effect. If that's not advocating communism then it's awfully close...

 

[noco]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens have publicly suggested that the CO2 issue may require a suspension of the democratic process or words to that effect. If that's not advocating communism then it's awfully close...

I am beginning to believe the Greens have reached their peek and may now be in decline.

At the last federal election there were many naive voters who were dissatisfied with both major parties and without doing some research on the Greens for what they stood for, voted for them as an alternative. IMHO I now believe many of those voters regret their decision having new knowledge of how radical this party really has become.

A large majority of voters are unaware of the Greens connection with the United Nations who are keen to develope a world government and lets not forget Kevin Rudd is a part of that movement via the UN Climate Change committee. I still believe Rudd had ambitions of one day becoming UN Secretary General.

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

The Greens have publicly suggested that the CO2 issue may require a suspension of the democratic process or words to that effect. If that's not advocating communism then it's awfully close...

Yes. Clive Hamilton, a leading Victorian Greenie said;

The implications of 3C, let alone 4C or 5C, are so horrible that we look to any possible scenario to head it off, including the canvassing of “emergency” responses such as the suspension of democratic processes.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...or_the_grees_and_for_fear_and_less_democracy/

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Clive Hamilton, a leading Victorian Greenie.......

He ran for the Federal seet of Higgins as a Green in 2009 when Peter Costello vacated.

Political career

Hamilton campaigning in the seat of Higgins in 2009
On 23 October 2009, Hamilton was announced as the Australian Greens candidate for the by-election in the federal seat of Higgins.[14] He ran against nine others for the seat, and came second, receiving 32.40 percent of primary votes and 39.77 percent of preferred votes.[15] The Australian Labor Party did not run a candidate in the election.

Hamilton is a supporter of internet censorship in Australia.[16][17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Hamilton

 

[Aussiejeff]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I am beginning to believe the Greens have reached their peek and may now be in decline.

Oh dear. They are just about to get control of the Senate in their own right for the first time in Australian political history and they are "declining" already?

Well, maybe once the Oz hoipoloi see what jiggery-pokery they get up to over the next year or so whilst a rampant senator Bob holds both major parties to ransom, the "real decline" will gather pace...

 

[Calliope]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

If Labor have any survival instincts at all, they will combine with the Coalition to squash the Greens in the Senate.

I saw Bob Brown on Insiders this morning, I never saw a man more confident of getting Labor to do his bidding. He speaks as though he is also spokesman for Labor

 

[drsmith]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

I saw Bob Brown on Insiders this morning, I never saw a man more confident of getting Labor to do his bidding. He speaks as though he is also spokesman for Labor

With comments like the following, he has perhaps added more coal to the opposition's fire,

Greens leader Bob Brown says ultimately the carbon price has to result in shutting down the coal industry.

Perhaps Julia Gillard could make the same offer to Bob Brown as she has to Tony Abbott regarding treasury assistance to cost tax policies,

"I would not figure that in because they are so highly profitable. But, that has to be the outcome ... the coal industry has to be replaced by renewables," he said.

The numbers on how well Australia's economy would run exclusively on renewables would make for interesting reading.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/26/3253701.htm