The Australian Greens party

[Mofra]

Re: The Greens - The New Radical Socialists

Yes, fair enough - I guess we all have our blinkers on at times...

Slightly off topic, but at the last election I did have to chuckle when the voting form for the Federal Senate had two different parties with socialist in their name.
Am I the only one who finds that strange? It all seems a bit Monty Python to me.

 

[drsmith]

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This could get interesting,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/07/3185157.htm

 

[Julia]

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This is from the link you gave drsmith:

"The speculation in The Australian on this issue about some difference between myself and my fellow senators was false and misled its readers."

How on earth can Bob Brown say this when he appeared on national television and in multiple radio interviews saying he was at odds with the policy of Lee Rhiannon and the NSW Greens, and that he did not share their views about a boycott on Israel???

It beggars belief that at least some of the Greens are being so rabidly anti Israel (note that I have not actually said anti-semitic) when it's the only properly democratic country in the region.

The more I see of Mr Brown, the more I'm convinced that he actually gets away with more than most politicians under the guise of his smiling, ostensibly easygoing persona.

And it's pretty rich for him to suggest "The Australian" has a vendetta against the Greens just because they are one of the few amongst the media to hold the Greens and their policies up to account.
It's about time the rest of the media did likewise, in particular the ABC who might as well be a paid arm of the Greens so intense is their pro-Greens agenda.

 

[nulla nulla]

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It seems that Pauline Hanson is within 0.14% of the required number of votes to seize the final seat in the NSW upper house.

This on the basis of first preference counting. It appears that, with the distribution of "National Party" preferences, Pauline Hanson may jump ahead of the greens candidate to secure the final seat.

And I thought that she was just in it for the money. Then again, getting a seat may just be an unanticipated plus...for her anyway.

 

[Julia]

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Interesting, nulla. I think I detest her marginally less than I detest the Greens.

 

[nulla nulla]

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Interesting, nulla. I think I detest her marginally less than I detest the Greens.

I am fairly indifferent to her. My only concern with her is her ability to bring out the redneck element of our society and their lack of tolerance for others.
I dislike the greens. I suspect they have some hardline agendas hidden behind their facade of purporting to be conservationists.

 

[Calliope]

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I suspect they have some hardline agendas hidden behind their facade of purporting to be conservationists.

There's nothing hidden about their agenda mate;

TWO founding fathers of the Greens say the split between the old-school environmentalists and the new generation of ideologically driven urban activists now swelling the parliamentary ranks could destabilise the party and alienate voters.

Mr Sanders, 78, said scathingly that the Greens were now "concerned with everything except the environment".

"You hear them going on about the tax system, same-sex marriage, adoption, all these social equity issues, but they don't talk about the environment much," he said. The concerns of two such experienced and respected figures in the green movement will intensify the values debate that was kicked off by the actions of NSW Greens figures Fiona Byrne, a suburban mayor in Sydney who stood unsuccessfully at last month's state election, and senator-elect Lee Rhiannon in backing the campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-on-urban-greens/story-fn59niix-1226035658080

 

[moXJO]

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Senator Brown this week defended the actions of fellow Greens senators Sarah Hanson-Young and Scott Ludlam for appearing at rallies in 2009 where protesters called on Australia to sever ties with Israel.

"If you're saying there that members of parliament should not take the stage, or be on a rostrum, or be at a rally, or go on Q&A if you are going to be judged by the people you are there with, then we're getting to a very undemocratic path aren't we," Senator Brown told ABC radio.

You have to be kidding me, this after the attacks on Abbott
I know a lot of people that vote the greens just because they have the 'green' tag. I hope they wake up.

Mr Robb contrasted the comments with Senator Brown's demands last month that Mr Abbott apologise for appearing alongside offensive placards at the March 23 carbon tax rally.

Mr Robb, who is currently in Jerusalem on a trade mission with the Australia-Israel Chamber of Commerce, said the Greens disliked being exposed to the same level of scrutiny as the major political parties.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/andrew-robb-lashes-bob-brown-over-double-standards/story-fn59niix-1226036148374

 

[noco]

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I'm sure Bob Brown would have done better than the Labor party on this one. Yes, of course he could. If he had his way we would all be reading with candles at night with the hope the candles might also offer some warmth.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...mments/column_seeming_green_is_just_all_wind/

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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It would not surprise me if the Greens were involved in a " Petrov Affair " in relation to their Foreign policy which is at variance to the ideas and wishes of the vast majority of Australian voters.

gg

 

[Smurf1976]

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I'm sure Bob Brown would have done better than the Labor party on this one. Yes, of course he could. If he had his way we would all be reading with candles at night with the hope the candles might also offer some warmth.

Candles are made from petroleum, a non-renewable resource that adds CO2 to the air, and are thus not acceptable.:

As for the broader picture with the Greens, I'm glad that there seems to be a few more people waking up to the fact that it goes way beyond a dam or two and some trees.

 

[sails]

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Candles are made from petroleum, a non-renewable resource that adds CO2 to the air, and are thus not acceptable.:

As for the broader picture with the Greens, I'm glad that there seems to be a few more people waking up to the fact that it goes way beyond a dam or two and some trees.

Thanks Smurf - I asked somewhere else today if candles emit CO2. I didn't think they were innocent. We are living in a crazy, mixed up world...

 

[IFocus]

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I am fairly indifferent to her. My only concern with her is her ability to bring out the redneck element of our society and their lack of tolerance for others.
I dislike the greens. I suspect they have some hardline agendas hidden behind their facade of purporting to be conservationists.

Agree Nulla cannot find the article but the founders are having issues with the intercity activism verses the lack of environment support

 

[drsmith]

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I've generally heard only positive commentary about Martin Ferguson, but not from Bob Brown.

 

[drsmith]

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Can Rob Oakshott match this ?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/time-free...eaks-for-nearly-six-hours-20110603-1fjgn.html

 

[Logique]

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Five stars to this blogger. Great quote from CS Lewis. The context was Sen. Hanson-Youngs fumblings on the subject: why are the Greens so silent on the Malaysia refugees deal, worse than anything in the Howard years?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hypocrites/#commentsmore
"...Creepy Bob Brown’s fixation on Murdoch (the “hate press"), Hanson-Young’s outing today as a first class hypocrite and the scary screw-loose eco-fundamentalist ravings of Christine Milne are turning into quite an entertainment. Except that Christine Milne is truly scary - even scarier than her boss PM Brown.

She the factor that CS Lewis warned us about. Here’s what he said; and it illustrates the danger of green power precisely:
'Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than omnipotent moral busybodies.The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.' "

[Blogger] Sharper of Mt Lawley
Sun 05 Jun 11

 

[Knobby22]

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I love CS Lewis - great quote! Pretty true. An example of such a tyranny is Iran.

I would rather be run by people who were neither though.

 

[awg]

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I dont know whether this has been covered before in this thread, but nothwithstanding any climate change debate about coal mining, what I find puzzling is what the Greens actually mean when they discuss "shutting down coal mining" or similar quotes.

The reason I raise that issue is because some coal companies I held shares in got sold to Chinese state owned companies.

So they mine the coal, export it to China, and keep the profits.

Does anyone have any idea what the Greens are proposing to do about that scenario?

Sure royalties or taxes can be raised, but I would not want to be the person trying to tell China that any serious restriction would be placed on coal extraction (that they need) from Australia by Chinese owned companies.

Good luck with that one

 

[medicowallet]

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I dont know whether this has been covered before in this thread, but nothwithstanding any climate change debate about coal mining, what I find puzzling is what the Greens actually mean when they discuss "shutting down coal mining" or similar quotes.

The reason I raise that issue is because some coal companies I held shares in got sold to Chinese state owned companies.

So they mine the coal, export it to China, and keep the profits.

Does anyone have any idea what the Greens are proposing to do about that scenario?

Sure royalties or taxes can be raised, but I would not want to be the person trying to tell China that any serious restriction would be placed on coal extraction (that they need) from Australia by Chinese owned companies.

Good luck with that one

Still annoys me that foreing companies own our resource licences like that.

I am against a mining tax, but this is the only reason why I am not mad passionate against it.

 

[Smurf1976]

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When all else fails, there's always the option of a blockade to halt whatever it is the Greens are opposed to at the present time. They've done it before and they'll do it again.