Australian (ASX) Stock Market Forum

The Abbott Government

Jump to new
trainspotter said:
Just thinking out loud but I wonder if SBY will stop taking the $540 million in foreign aid we send every year as sign of protest? :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

A lot of that aid is tied to our interests. They might refuse it.

Indonesia were the power that got us into ASEAN despite other parties such as Malaysia not wanting us.
I wonder if they will be so keen to support us now?
Indonesia will be a top 10 world economy by 2030. We need to be smart about this.

The problem for Abbott is that US President Barack Obama has already set a standard for how to fix this sort of a mess. He apologised informally but personally to German Chancellor Angela Merkel for tapping her phone, and promised it would not happen again. Indonesia expects Australia will do same, and quickly - within a couple of days according to Indonesia's powerful co-ordinating minister for political and security affairs, Djoko Suyanto. ''Does Australia think it is bigger than America?'' one Indonesian official asked me yesterday.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/indon...ian-century-20131120-2xvpo.html#ixzz2lEpGm4U3
 
Knobby22;803495The problem for Abbott is that US President Barack Obama has already set a standard for how to fix this sort of a mess. [B said:
He apologised informally but personally to German Chancellor Angela Merkel for tapping her phone, and promised it would not happen again.[/B]
Click to expand...

No he didn't.

Merkel rang Obama herself to berate him, then the White House released a carefully worded statement, saying: "The President assured the Chancellor that the United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of Chancellor Merkel."Note the present and future tense and the specific reference to Merkel. The official statement did not refer to any apology. That sprang from leaks from one of the two participants or whoever else was listening in.

Abbott has firmly resisted publicly giving Yudhoyono the same assurances Merkel received. If he did he would be asked if it applied to future Indonesian presidents and other leaders in the region. It is a diabolical situation for any government, especially a new one, and especially after Indonesia had shown an earlier propensity for bloody mindedness.
Click to expand...
(My bolds)

- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...y-fnahw9xv-1226764741362#sthash.5hpCrUR8.dpuf
 
It would appear our media is in more of a frenzy over this then theirs?

MSKY gets $250m to refinance bonds - Jakarta Post
2013-11-21T04:13:15Z
Pay-television provider PT MNC Sky Vision (MSKY) said it has secured US$250 million in loan funds from a banking syndication to be used primarily to refinance bonds issued by its subsidiary. The subsidiary, Aerospace Satellite Corporation ...

Rain affects matches - Jakarta Post
2013-11-21T05:46:18Z
The weekend’s solitary game escaped the wrath of the weather gods with United Force (UFCC) continuing its dominance in Division-2 of the Apple Coal JCA League, disposing of JAGUAR CC by seven wickets in Cibubur. Taking first lease of the ...

Ending AIDS is on horizon: UNAIDS - Jakarta Post
2013-11-21T05:31:59Z
The newly established UNAIDS-Lancet Commission is optimistic for an end to the AIDS epidemic by reducing new HIV infections, providing antiretroviral therapy (ART), and reducing stigma and discrimination that prevents people from accessing care.

Two arrested over bank fraud - Jakarta Post
2013-11-21T05:24:50Z
The City Police have arrested two suspects for allegedly siphoning money off bank customers by stealing their data. The incidents of fraud resulted in losses of Rp 72.5 million (US$6,225) for Bank Central Asia (BCA) and its customers. The police ...
Click to expand...

http://www.thepaperboy.com/headlines.cfm?PaperID=925790716

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/

Even the Jakarta Globe has not had THAT much to say on the matter? :confused:
 
wayneL said:
Another BTW:

It is interesting that Pravda is implying (by omission more than anything) that our Tones is somehow culpable in the spy controversy.

And Tones has had the good grace not to point out that all this occurred under Labor... not that Dullard/KRudd might have known, but imo there should be so bipartisan cooperation in handling this.
Click to expand...

So I take it your inferring that no spying by Australia in other countries has never occurred under a Coalition Govt?

Howard is probably lucky Snowden wasn't able to get the details on why he signed us up for the Iraq war on false WMD intel.

Both sides are performing for their local audiences. How much damage gets done will most likely depend on how much it weakens the moderates in Jakarta.
 
banco said:
You're right. Stories relating to the allegations only occupy the top five spots for most comments on the Jakarta Post site. Clearly a beatup by those lefties at fairfax and the ABC :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Quite right banco ! Comments and not news headlines? Also looking at the other Indo rags in Bahasa Indonesian has the same result? No mention of the riots and flag burning at the Oz Embassy in Jakarta? :confused:
 
sydboy007 said:
So I take it your inferring that no spying by Australia in other countries has never occurred under a Coalition Govt?

Howard is probably lucky Snowden wasn't able to get the details on why he signed us up for the Iraq war on false WMD intel.

Both sides are performing for their local audiences. How much damage gets done will most likely depend on how much it weakens the moderates in Jakarta.
Click to expand...

WTF Syd?

How did you make that leap from my comments? I was inferring no such thing at all. All gu'mints spy. I was just commenting how the ABC is spinning this.

Mate, that was the most ridiculous straw man argument I've seen on these boards!!!

Sheesh :rolleyes:
 
Julia Gillard has also weighed in saying our government should apologise, but it seems Indonesia has already moved on from that specific element.

Ms Gillard reportedly also encouraged Mr Abbott to apologise to the Indonesian President for the alleged spying
Click to expand...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...h-ways-says-julia-gillard-20131122-2xzht.html

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's foreign affairs spokesman, Teuku Faizasyah, made clear in comments to Fairfax Media what the President's letter demanded of the Prime Minister.

"It's not a question of apologising, but a question of explaining and clarifying what has happened," Mr Faizasyah said. "That is why we have put emphasis on a new protocol, an agreement to set up co-operation on intelligence gathering in future. Otherwise we cannot consider it's enough."
Click to expand...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-do-sby-tells-tony-abbott-20131121-2xypu.html
 
So Abbott is still playing domestic politics when he should playing diplomat.

Fancy the Indos behaving like him refusing to lose face. Maybe there is good reason for not playing the game with the Indos what it could be is totally beyond me as clearly bugging the bosses wife and getting caught is a SNAFU all in an election cycle.

Say sorry and get on with it.....still looks way to late now.

Seen a few writings from Expats saying what a poor PM Abbott has been through this giving fuel to the radicals and nationalists in Indonesia.

The nationalists look likely to win the presidency

Mean while keep blaming the ABC for a poor performance by Abbott face it he is so far a dud.
 
IFocus said:
So Abbott is still playing domestic politics when he should playing diplomat.

Fancy the Indos behaving like him refusing to lose face. Maybe there is good reason for not playing the game with the Indos what it could be is totally beyond me as clearly bugging the bosses wife and getting caught is a SNAFU all in an election cycle.

Say sorry and get on with it.....still looks way to late now.

Seen a few writings from Expats saying what a poor PM Abbott has been through this giving fuel to the radicals and nationalists in Indonesia.

The nationalists look likely to win the presidency

Mean while keep blaming the ABC for a poor performance by Abbott face it he is so far a dud.
Click to expand...

You realize this all happened in Rudd's tenure... don't you?

Ergo, why doesn't Rudd offer his apologies?

Abbott has been handed a poisoned chalice by your disgraceful Fabian mates IF, all in his first two months. Then you leftist muppets have the temerity to crtiticise as if Abbott is responsible.

Just appalling behaviour. You lot have no honour and should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
drsmith said:
Whiskers said:
you haven't done the homework to learn what actually makes the world go around. ;)
Click to expand...
It's not Kevin Rudd.
Click to expand...

Humm, what did I say about people accusing one of doing what they do themselves!

Hey doc... you are overplaying the character a bit aren't you... still a bit 'Lost in Space', eh! ;)

Dr. Zachary Smith: Never fear, Smith is here.

Dr. Zachary Smith: It's the world behind the world Dr. Robinson. Lie once, cheat twice, and everything becomes clear.​

Yep... that's what makes the world go around! :p:

drsmith said:
The ABC's take on the above,



How long will it be before Kevin Rudd chips in ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-...an-accuses-abbott-of-mishandling-spyi/5109632
Click to expand...

But so as to shed some light on your dreaming, err obsession with... if he does deny any knowledge... well that just leaves Tones, holding the can... holding out on any prior knowledge.

drsmith said:
The past Labor politicians keep wheeling themselves out to offer advice with Gareth Evans now joining the list.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/11/22/oz-should-apologize-move.html

I think it would be best if they just said nothing.
Click to expand...

Hey doc... who was the first prominent ex politician to offer advice... Downer by name, Downer by nature, eh!

Dr. Zachary Smith: Evil knows evil.​
 
wayneL said:
You realize this all happened in Rudd's tenure... don't you?

Ergo, why doesn't Rudd offer his apologies?

Abbott has been handed a poisoned chalice by your disgraceful Fabian mates IF, all in his first two months. Then you leftist muppets have the temerity to crtiticise as if Abbott is responsible.

Just appalling behaviour. You lot have no honour and should be ashamed of yourselves.
Click to expand...

Exactly.
 
IFocus said:
You realize Abbott is the PM?
Click to expand...

Do you have trouble with comprehension, IF? Or do you choose to be ignorant?

Let me help you... Rudd was PM when the alleged spying on SBY's and his wife's phone. Rudd was clearly the one responsible. Abbott has now been left the mess Rudd and the ABC have caused.

Do I need to make it any simpler?
 
Top