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Tink said:
Agree with you, Logique.

First time in history that a GG has given a slap in the face to a PM.
That must be the thanks you get for asking her to stay and finish her term.

Good on Abbott for taking it in his stride, makes her look the fool.
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I think Kerr slapped Whitlam a fair bit harder :)
 
I thought that was a particularly graceful and astute political move by Tony Abbott to acknowledge that the GG had the right to express a personal view "in a very graceful way ".

It leaves the comments as very much a personal comment by Quentin Bryce and gives Tony Abbott kudos for not expecting every one to automatically fall in line with his views. :)

I think it was a good look. (Mind you what he thinks in private and how he decides to go for the next appointment iis another story.)
 
AAA said:
What has Abbott ballsed up here. What should have Abbott done differently here. I can't think of a single response fron Abbott that is a sure thing to resolve this problem without further repercussions.
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I agree. There is little Abbott can do to resolve this issue when Indonesia is hell bent on making a massive fuss about it. From the start, Indonesia had no intention of being satisfied and were going to turn this in to a big issue no matter what. Grovelling to Indonesia would not have solved anything and would make things worse should further disclosures come to light, particularly regarding other countries in our neighbourhood.

Abbott should wait a few months and hope it all dies down, but if Indonesia maintains the rage, then perhaps we should consider whether our relationship with them is worth the bother.
 
bellenuit said:
I agree. There is little Abbott can do to resolve this issue when Indonesia is hell bent on making a massive fuss about it. From the start, Indonesia had no intention of being satisfied and were going to turn this in to a big issue no matter what. Grovelling to Indonesia would not have solved anything and would make things worse should further disclosures come to light, particularly regarding other countries in our neighbourhood.

Abbott should wait a few months and hope it all dies down, but if Indonesia maintains the rage, then perhaps we should consider whether our relationship with them is worth the bother.
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Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's hissy fit is for domestic purposes. If he wants to maintain the rage, Abbott should tell him that when Indonesia stops channeling illegals through their country to us, (which is an unfriendly act) then we will stop tapping the Blackberries of him and his missus. God only knows why we did this in the first place. Of what possible interest could it be to us if Mrs SBY texts Mr SBY to pick up a bottle of milk on his way home from the office.?:rolleyes:
 
IFocus said:
I think Kerr slapped Whitlam a fair bit harder :)
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I have an entirely different memory.

Sir John saved Australia from a Fabianized Orwellian Dystopia, facilitated by a parliamentary impasse.

For this he should be canonized and eventually Sainted for the miracle of getting Whitlam and his cabal of creepy communists out of power before term's end.

He was a reluctant hero not a smarmy and dishonourable Fabian white anter like the current GG.
 
As Keating said during his must watch interviews with Kerry O'Brien it was a coup.

Keating actually talks about the Whitlam Government great viewing

Kerr was a drunk
 
wayneL said:
I have an entirely different memory.

Sir John saved Australia from a Fabianized Orwellian Dystopia, facilitated by a parliamentary impasse.

For this he should be canonized and eventually Sainted for the miracle of getting Whitlam and his cabal of creepy communists out of power before term's end.

He was a reluctant hero not a smarmy and dishonourable Fabian white anter like the current GG.
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The key issue as it relates to today is surely the parliamentary impasse and whether Abbott is aware he might suffer from the same tactic his party introduced to turf out a PM who... what was that again... wants to raise more debt!

While Kerr was maybe aided by a bit of booze in making his choice... Bryce seems very clear minded in who she would choose.

Call me a cynical b@$tard if you like, but how did Shorten come to marry the then Qld GG's daughter who is a... media consultant?

The current 'Government' has all the ingredients for a recipe of a similar constitutional controversy, in the baking.

My point is Abbott should have toned down the exaggerated rhetoric once elected and chose his fights a bit more carefully. He should have ate some humble pie and took the $400bn debt ceiling while it was on offer. Instead he has fuelled up his so called 'national security crisis' into a rather more real foreign affairs crisis as well as a his so called 'budget crisis'.

It Abbott doesn't start toning down pretty soon it won't take much more controversy for Shorten to have enough rope to call in the constitutional crisis card.

Don't say I didn't try to warn you if Abbott trips himself over and we get Shorten PM by default.
 
sails said:
Maybe, but he didn't have a son-in-law as leader of the opposition.

Big difference.
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Not sure there is a big difference. Kerr was considered married to the CIA covert operations division, that was so prolific in manipulating world affairs for US interests, at the time.
 
Well I did try to warn ya!

I could make one last plea to, 'tone it down Tony'... but I fear it might be too late now.

The quite strong swing back to labor (as seen earlier in state based polls in Vic and Qld in particular) could reflect in a hiding for Abbot in the WA re-run senate election. Could it be enough to loose them a senate seat on top of Labor and or greens regaining one?

Constitutional trigger... Double Dissolution... game over for Abbott and heaven help Aus if Shorten becomes PM.

PS: Where the hell are ya now Rudd, the party needs you! Abbott and the Big L Libs are on the nose but Shorten is holding back Labor. GET SHORTY NOW!
 

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Whiskers said:
Well I did try to warn ya!

I could make one last plea to, 'tone it down Tony'... but I fear it might be too late now.

The quite strong swing back to labor (as seen earlier in state based polls in Vic and Qld in particular) could reflect in a hiding for Abbot in the WA re-run senate election. Could it be enough to loose them a senate seat on top of Labor and or greens regaining one?

Constitutional trigger... Double Dissolution... game over for Abbott and heaven help Aus if Shorten becomes PM.

PS: Where the hell are ya now Rudd, the party needs you! Abbott and the Big L Libs are on the nose but Shorten is holding back Labor. GET SHORTY NOW!
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The only thing to lose here is an o in the word loose, as has been corrected before for you.

I am not a spelling Nazi, but I can't stand how the youth of today spell lose.

I cannot believe your type are still calling for that looser Rudd.

MW
 
This proves there's something fundamentality wrong with some polls, the electorate just dismissed the Labor Govt who are barely able to function due to their depleted state and lack of direction yet the polls are trying to tell us that they are preferred ?

Sorry I don't buy it.
 
Agree Mr Burns.

Whiskers, I think you are dreaming, and cant believe you are still calling for Rudd.
After 6 years, Australia is still scarred from that rubble.

I dont even know what Labor stands for, the quota party, they have moved so far over that you cant tell the difference between them and the Greens.
They seem to be reading from the same book.
 
wayneL said:
If that poll is accurate, it just proves Churchill correct.
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Yes Abbott didn't have a chance to get his pants off before the Indo's twitched and ramped up the truth a bit and it got around the world, but that just reflects poorly on Abbotts strategy... Churchill also said:

“Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions.”
― Winston Churchill​

Abbott certainly got the first part, but didn't understand the second bit. He also should have:

“However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.”
― Winston Churchill​

and considered:

“Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthuisasm.”
― Winston Churchill​

Ole Winston may have been a drunk who suffered depression, but as he would put it, he would sober up in the morning but they would still be ugly.

medicowallet, do you really want to go down that path!?

I have previously explained the problems with the spell checker and auto fill when one starts editing and rearranging posts and for those of us who do not live on the computer or this site and have to go and do other things and sometimes don't notice errors until after the time limit has expired.

I thought I'd just drop in reference to Rudd again to see how some people still fear the influence he has in the non corrupt or factional parts of Labor.

I'm also flattered for the youth of today (which I am certainly not), that you think they are so wise and prophetic. :p:

Tink, my reference to Rudd was to gather his party colleagues to invoke a trigger to enforce the intent of his membership ballot rule change... to GET SHORTY, Shorten dumped from leader in accordance with the 60% membership vote to be in the best position for people to vote for Labor.

Tink, I think from the detail in the poll, it's not so much a case of voters liking Labor but more disliking how Abbot is handling things. I'm sure if Shorten was not leader of Labor, voters would warm to them much more.
 
The polling doesn't mean labor would get voted in, it means people want to send a message to the government.

The reasons?
- the Indonesian diplomatic mishandling
- the budget problems and the mention of putting capital gains tax on the family home and increasing the age pension age to 70.

Maybe an attack dog doesn't make a good guide dog?
 
MrBurns said:
This proves there's something fundamentality wrong with some polls, the electorate just dismissed the Labor Govt who are barely able to function due to their depleted state and lack of direction yet the polls are trying to tell us that they are preferred ?

Sorry I don't buy it.
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+1 Mr. Burns......the poll was taken by the Age and as they are pro Labor I should imagine it would well and truly be rigged.

Most likely the poll was taken in Gillards old electorate which still has about a 60% support for Labor.....The Age do not state how the poll was taken and what qiuestions were asked....I would be very very sus about this one!!!!
 
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