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luutzu said:
What's with the Chinese bashing?
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I'd be saying the exact same thing if it were any other country.

While safety and standards are important, obviously... there will be on the job training and inspectors
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That there is no requirement to be assessed for competency is the issue here. If such a requirement existed then I wouldn't have an issue with it.

If we have formal standards saying how something shall be done in a technical sense, and there are safety consequences if varying practices are used interchangeably, then it seems reasonable to me that anyone performing such work ought to be required to prove that they at least understand what those requirements are.:2twocents
 
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Call me old fashioned, but I'd prefer a fireside chat with my dad over a letter. Possibly my lowly blue collar upbringing. Stamps were a luxury.

I plan to read it after I finish Cory Bernardi's bold vision for a stronger nation

http://www.amazon.com/The-Conservative-Revolution-Cory-Bernardi/dp/1922168963
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Maybe it'll beat Bishop's upcoming title: "How to make do with $88,000 a fortnight across Europe".

No wonder some high priced lawyers would leave private practice for a few years sting in Canberra. To save the world and increase business for the partners back home.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'd be saying the exact same thing if it were any other country.



That there is no requirement to be assessed for competency is the issue here. If such a requirement existed then I wouldn't have an issue with it.

If we have formal standards saying how something shall be done in a technical sense, and there are safety consequences if varying practices are used interchangeably, then it seems reasonable to me that anyone performing such work ought to be required to prove that they at least understand what those requirements are.:2twocents
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I agree with you Smurf. Don't take me literally. I do try to be funny some of the time. :D
 
What an abuse of entitlement.

Bronwyn Bishop on the taxpayers teat:

1. Helicopter charter for 100km trip - $5,227.27.

2. $88,084 for a 16-day trip to Italy, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland

3. $42,805 for a 12-day trip to Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Laos and South Korea.

What part of obscene does she not understand.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...avel-and-flights/story-fn59niix-1227442737187

Sadly and unfortunately she is not on her own in abusing the Australian taxpayer.

This sort of entitlement abuse has to stop from all politicians.
 
So at what stage does the PM decide that the Speaker of the House (Bronwyn Bishop) has trashed the last vestiges of respect for his government and needs to go ?

I thought that the Speaker of the House hiring a chopper for $5000 on the public purse to make a grand entrance to a Liberal Party Fund raiser was a perfect 10. Go Tones!! Show us what your made of..

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Of course the most interesting part of this story will unfold when Parliament returns and The ALP, Greens, Independents etc take it in turns to toast Bronwyn Bishop and Tony Abbott..
 
Rumour has it that Hockey has called on Gina Rinehart for help with the budget. Failing a donation through a mining tax as a first choice, he has called on her for advice on how to avoid sharing the money with dependants. After seeing the ABC program and hearing her say "if they don't work for it they shouldn't have it" (referring to her OWN family) he decided to push that point further and ask how easy it is to implement.

Another rumour is that she replied; "Sack most Canberra staff and get some Chinese workers on the job".

Just rumours but logical isn't it?.;)
 
Latest on Bronnwyn Bishops $5000 publicly finaced lift to a Liberal party fund raiser.

"I vow to pay it back" she says.

And that is supposed to be it ? No other consequence ? No other penalty financial or otherwise of any sort ?

Just plain wrong. This has Moral Hazard all over it..
 
basilio said:
Latest on Bronnwyn Bishops $5000 publicly finaced lift to a Liberal party fund raiser.

"I vow to pay it back" she says.

And that is supposed to be it ? No other consequence ? No other penalty financial or otherwise of any sort ?

Just plain wrong. This has Moral Hazard all over it..
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Yes, it's all very fine as long as you don't get caught...

$5,000 seems an awful lot for a one hour trip, even by chopper. Does it really cost that much to keep them in the air ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes, it's all very fine as long as you don't get caught...

$5,000 seems an awful lot for a one hour trip, even by chopper. Does it really cost that much to keep them in the air ?
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A Labor MP was named today for chartering flights between Launceston and Hobart costing $24,000...Why didn't she take a commercial flight between these two cities and will she pay the difference?..Yes it is OK if you don't get caught.

I am sure there would regular flights between these two cities.
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes, it's all very fine as long as you don't get caught...

$5,000 seems an awful lot for a one hour trip, even by chopper. Does it really cost that much to keep them in the air ?
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It's very hard to imagine how anyone who spend other people's money like that could seriously represent the interests of the common people, or any people.

$88,000 for 15 days across Europe... Do we also pay for the shopping as well? And I'm guessing it's not the $200/night budget hotel she stayed at.
 
luutzu said:
It's very hard to imagine how anyone who spend other people's money like that could seriously represent the interests of the common people, or any people.

$88,000 for 15 days across Europe... Do we also pay for the shopping as well? And I'm guessing it's not the $200/night budget hotel she stayed at.
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They like to call people from the northern beaches of Sydney "silvertails". Bronwyn Bigshot fits the bill perfectly.

I did not realise Bronnie was 72 years of age.

With 28 years of "service" in Federal parliament, maybe it is time to move over and give someone else a job.
 
If there's a positive from Bronnie's $5k chopper joyride its that it will make it that much harder for the government to implement that tax on bank deposits.
 
trainspotter said:
363 between 2000 - 2007 - drowned at sea - 22 suicides in detention centres - Libs

877 between 2008 - 20013 - drowned at sea - 15 suicides in detention centres - Labs

The rubbery figures are contentious as they are "presumed" dead as there are no actual figures on the manifest of people on the boats *wink*
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Doing a quick count from the link below I counted 1184 deaths at sea from when Labor took office in 2007. That includes recoveries and those never found from reported numbers on board.

http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/the...blications/australian-border-deaths-database/

The actual number is likely greater and perhaps much greater. We have no idea how many boat sinkings went unreported.
 
I think Bronwyn Bishop has to go.
If she thinks that spending $5000 on a helicopter ride is OK because it is "within the rules" then she has obviously been in Canberra too long.
She must at least step down from being Speaker as she has no integrity.

I'm sure there are similar and worse cases of financial abuse by politicians and I would like to see massive changes in perks, travel allowances, superannuation entitlements etc. , that our politicians currently enjoy.

Its a rip off!
 
dutchie said:
I think Bronwyn Bishop has to go.
If she thinks that spending $5000 on a helicopter ride is OK because it is "within the rules" then she has obviously been in Canberra too long.
She must at least step down from being Speaker as she has no integrity.

I'm sure there are similar and worse cases of financial abuse by politicians and I would like to see massive changes in perks, travel allowances, superannuation entitlements etc. , that our politicians currently enjoy.

Its a rip off!
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What we need is a Royal Commission into Perks Abuse, not one-sided witch hunts by whoever is in power against whomever having been before them.
And we desperately need to stand up against suppression of debates. If Politics and Ideologies can't be debated freely, if questioners are threatened with persecution in the name of "National Security", we have lost the basis of Democracy. Witch Hunts, Media Control, and Persecution of inconvenient Critics are the first steps towards Dictatorship,
 
Macquack said:
They like to call people from the northern beaches of Sydney "silvertails". Bronwyn Bigshot fits the bill perfectly.

I did not realise Bronnie was 72 years of age.

With 28 years of "service" in Federal parliament, maybe it is time to move over and give someone else a job.
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It seems that for some people, "good service" is not good enough a reward in itself. I bet if she's ask, she'll say that money doesn't really matter to her - for obvious reasons.


I thought she retired years ago? But guess with pays and perks like that for just saying "order! order! You can speak now"... it beats advising weekend warriors at Bunnings for a lowsy couple grands a month.
 
There's a big few positives to this.
Joe Public doesn't see his low income SuperAnnuation co-contribution disappearing just after the next election, nor the low income school-kids bonus $422 for primary $842 for high school, last payment July 2016... And then there's the cuts to the pension totalling $2.4 billion. All only becoming obvious after the next election.
Then there's the pie in the sky GDP and income projections of Hockeys last budget.
But Joe Public can see Bishop for what she is and the Government that extolls her born to rule tory ethos.
 
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