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explod said:
What we used to have under Menzies, Whitlam in particular, Fraser, Hawk and Keating. We have just drifted too far right under the Thatcherism idea.

And what's wrong with Sweden? Then we have Norway and Denmark.

Noco mentioned Von Miser's, a very wise fellow, loved his works on money and fair exchange. Austrian economics a great model. Even Keans admitted that and that his own model could not stop an eventual implosion.

We are supposed to be talking about our Guvmint.
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So Plod, which model would you select and how will that work in with the West Minster system?

Will we have to convert to a republic by referendum first and how do you think that would work out?

Will we be able to vote in a democratic way or would the head Honcho of Republic become a dictator.

Would a Socialist Government take central control of the banks, manufacturing, mining, agriculture?

We already know they have taken control of the tax payer funded ABC.

What will happen to the current foreign investments...Particularly the Chinese investments.

What will happen to small business, super markets and farmers......How will they be affected?
 
noco said:
So Plod, which model would you select and how will that work in with the West Minster system?

Will we have to convert to a republic by referendum first and how do you think that would work out?

Will we be able to vote in a democratic way or would the head Honcho of Republic become a dictator.

Would a Socialist Government take central control of the banks, manufacturing, mining, agriculture?

We already know they have taken control of the tax payer funded ABC.

What will happen to the current foreign investments...Particularly the Chinese investments.

What will happen to small business, super markets and farmers......How will they be affected?
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Go back and read the first para of my last post.

Do you take anything in champ?

My socialism is just a fair go for all citizens and no overseas interests profiting at our expense.

And back to Government owned banks as we had in Menzies time.
 
explod said:
Go back and read the first para of my last post.

Do you take anything in champ?

My socialism is just a fair go for all citizens and no overseas interests profiting at our expense.

And back to Government owned banks as we had in Menzies time.
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We are on the wrong thread so I am switching comments to Communism: It is not dead and biried.
 
explod said:
We have just drifted too far right under the Thatcherism idea.
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Labor today is further to the right than the Liberals were a generation ago, the whole political paradigm has moved in that direction at least so far as parties realistically capable of forming majority government (or the dominant partner in any coalition) are concerned.

There's a proper place for finance and there's a proper place for capitalism. But we live in a society, not an economy, and there's a need for balance.

Something's seriously wrong when as a country we've had a lot of growth in GDP and yet we're apparently struggling to afford health, education, infrastructure and welfare for those who genuinely need it. Things that we had no real trouble affording in the past when we were supposedly poorer overall and yet they're increasingly unaffordable today. That's not what I call progress from a broad perspective.

Management of businesses has a lot to do with it as does politics. Slowly but surely the engineers, scientists, entrepreneurs and other "doers" have been removed and replaced by those with a background in finance or at best law. We've gone from being a leader to a follower in anything scientific or technical with managers hiding behind the mantra of "risk". In the past we pioneered or at least were right up front with everything from power generation to medical procedures but such things are inevitably seen as too risky today, the current crop of "leaders" preferring to simply buy something off the shelf from overseas long after others have developed and gained the majority benefits from it. In less than half a century we've gone from leaders to followers in practically everything.

The NBN is a classic case in point. One party wants to send us broke to build it, the other wants to go broke half building it. Neither would likely contemplate just letting the "doers" get on and build it without handing money under the table to the rent seekers. Had that thinking persisted in the past, we'd never have built everything from the power grid through to public transport through to the copper phone network. Waiting until we're behind practically everyone, then paying unnecessarily high costs when we finally act, is stifling our nation's productivity far more than anything else. :2twocents
 
Time for that demented old bat to go. At least Slipper was a good speaker when he was sitting in the chair.
 
explod said:
Was thinking of starting a new thread for Bishop, but so corrupt i could not be bothered. She's a goner. Poor ole Rabbit must be feeling a bit lonely.
Notice my ole Pal noco eased his postings.
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Let's not be gratuitous, but censure of the Speaker is warranted.

The more you read, the more arrogant and self-entitled the Speaker looks. Not just the recent European trip, but earlier jaunts last year. It's not as if she's on minimum wage! What is it $350k and additional for expenses? And parliamentary super on retirement.

In my view her position is now untenable. She should do the right thing and resign.
 
Re: The Abbott Government -"Don't You Know Who I am" Bishop

Logique said:
Let's not be gratuitous, but censure of the Speaker is warranted.

The more you read, the more arrogant and self-entitled the Speaker looks. Not just the recent European trip, but earlier jaunts last year. It's not as if she's on minimum wage! What is it $350k and additional for expenses? And parliamentary super on retirement.

In my view her position is now untenable. She should do the right thing and resign.
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No contrition, no acceptance of wrong doing, no finguck idea........ ,but to blame it on Bill Shorten and you dummkopfs can all achtung schnell. Party leader Andrew Bolt will no doubt blame it on union corruption and two IC Tony Abbott will blame it on the windmills.

What a wonderful and decent person John Hewson is, as an icon of the now defunct Liberal Party and last of its dinosaurs, talking to ABC this morning. He must be feeling like Malcolm Fraser did in his later years, with thought bubbles akin to "what the hell happened to the party I was once leader of :banghead:".

Disgraceful behaviour and dishonest to all but the unthinking party faithful.

Of course with both majors full of lame duck civil servant politicians nothing will happen to turn around the decline of public faith and increasing ambivalence in parliament, let alone trying to figure out what they actually stand for.
 
Even the Sydney Daily Teleg agrees. Her retaliatory sniping at the Treasurer was underhanded and distasteful.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ssible-situation/story-fni0cx12-1227448332803

Big-spending Bronwyn puts Abbott in an impossible situation
SIMON BENSON THE DAILY TELEGRAPH JULY 20, 2015

Bronwyn Bishop should know that she has no other choice than to resign as Speaker of the Parliament.

And Prime Minister Tony Abbott should know this too....TAXPAYERS COP $800,000 BILL FOR BRONWYN BISHOP’S 2014 EXPENSES.....Her petty retaliatory attack on Hockey showed even less regard for the impossible situation now confronting the PM...
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banco said:
Time for that demented old bat to go. At least Slipper was a good speaker when he was sitting in the chair.
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So why didn't Gillard ask Craig Thomson to go?......you know that bloke who ripped off money from the poor health workers union to satisfy his sexual urge.
 
SirRumpole said:
She did. He was suspended from the Labor party.
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Yes, suspended from the Labor Party but not from parliament and further more Gillard continued to accept his vote....You just cannot discount that one my friend....So suspending him from the Labor party was just a token of which she had no choice just to make herself look good.
 
noco said:
Yes, suspended from the Labor Party but not from parliament and further more Gillard continued to accept his vote....You just cannot discount that one my friend....So suspending him from the Labor party was just a token of which she had no choice just to make herself look good.
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Gillard had no power to throw him out of Parliament, that is the voter's job. As for accepting someone's vote I'm sure that any Party would take any votes they can get.
 
I know Bronwyn and Tony are friends but if he has any political and moral nous he will ask/demand that she step down from her role as speaker.

It will be hard to do but if he does not it will come back to bite him over and over.
 
There was another speaker who was a Liberal polly, endorsed by them since 1993....what was his name ....it was um... Peter...yes that's it Peter Slipper the LIBERAL candidate who won the seat for the LIBERAL PARTY for twenty (20) years and a good friend of Tony ...Tony ..that's it Tony Abbott.


Then of course there was that public servant who was mates with um, what's his name Malcolm Turnbull. Something about utes and billboards and some bloke whose name was Kevin Bond or something.

Who was that PM who had to sack a load of his cabinet for making the sate of Denmark smell rotten. Dogs trying to savage children on jetties, etc ...probably the same kids who were thrown overboard in the end.

Honesty, probity, fiduciary, fair go and fingers in the cookie jar are demonstrably the pillars of the millenium LIBERAL PARTY.:D
 
noco said:
Yes, suspended from the Labor Party but not from parliament and further more Gillard continued to accept his vote....You just cannot discount that one my friend....So suspending him from the Labor party was just a token of which she had no choice just to make herself look good.
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They don't need to suspend Bronwyn from the Liberal party but as Speaker of the House as she is the person who is supposed to uphold values, she should definitely resign. She won't though. She appears so corrupt for that European trip. No respect at all for taxpayers money. 350K and a fantastic pension and yet she treats us as mugs.
 
I hope she resigns. That speech affectation of hers is too much to bear.
 
noco said:
Yes, suspended from the Labor Party but not from parliament and further more Gillard continued to accept his vote....You just cannot discount that one my friend....So suspending him from the Labor party was just a token of which she had no choice just to make herself look good.
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So you think Bishop should be suspended from the party? (I'll leave to one side hoow can you not accept someone's vote).
 
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