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sptrawler said:
What about the white switch wire? dick, that's why you still need an aussie to check your work.lol

See that is what I'm talking about, they're always pumping you for info. lol,lol,lol
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What white switch wire? haha. was referring to the power circuits, and yes, i missed the earth cable in the description :D

With the two ways, I actually use a spare wire in the three-wire cable as a switch. See, saves money... and yes Smurf is right, just don't assume the colours are what they're supposed to be at my house.
 
noco said:
What is a life worth in China......If they lose one or two there are millions waiting to take their place.
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That's a disgusting attitude.

You ignore that it could be local lives lost due to shoddy electrical wiring or substandard building work.

Interesting you blame Labor for the deaths of roof bat installers, even though it was a state regulated industry, but in this instance you don't give a toss.
 
luutzu said:
What's with the Chinese bashing?

Free Trade agreements tend to always hit the manufacturing sector and trades so I take your point that it'll be bad for Australian in those fields. But we should give some credit to the gov't - they're actually much smarter and much more devious than we give them credit for.

While safety and standards are important, obviously... there will be on the job training and inspectors so I wouldn't worry too much. Heck, even I could wire a house - just not the mains - and it's still standing. Even did 2-way switches because joining red to red and black to black just isn't that much fun.
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Two wire sparks are a dime a dozen, but real electrical fitting is a little more complex than that.

Repair shops don't necessarily employ electrical fitters/mechanics/installers, but they must be supervised by a qualified lecky.

There will be a lot of head shaking amongst the younger sparks, who have had to go through capstone testing to ply their trade. when they see some lego technician from china playing around with hidden death.
 
Tisme said:
Two wire sparks are a dime a dozen, but real electrical fitting is a little more complex than that.

Repair shops don't necessarily employ electrical fitters/mechanics/installers, but they must be supervised by a qualified lecky.

There will be a lot of head shaking amongst the younger sparks, who have had to go through capstone testing to ply their trade. when they see some lego technician from china playing around with hidden death.
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Yup. Have a friend who apprenticed electrical works years back. Got an uncle who's a properly licensed sparky A/C guy too. Learnt why you shouldn't steal light power from the power circuit too, haha. Safety and stuff. Don't people just switch off all the circuits when they want to fix any wiring?

But I'm pretty sure the Chinese sparky won't be running the design or lead any major installation.
There will be inductions and inspection, and if their work don't pass those they won't be working any site - free trade or not.

But it's going to be tough on Australian tradies.

I've seen teams of them working as bricklayers and gyprockers. Two team of them completely finished gyprocking a two storey house in two days - and the quality and price was incredible. Then there's a team that finished the brick fence in literally a couple of hours - after their day job or something.

Saw a headline on Fortune where American costs of manufacturing are now on par with Chinese costs - and the Chinese aren't paid that much higher either.

Free Trade for you. Good for executives and shareholders, not so good for most every body else.
 
luutzu said:
What's with the Chinese bashing?

Free Trade agreements tend to always hit the manufacturing sector and trades so I take your point that it'll be bad for Australian in those fields. But we should give some credit to the gov't - they're actually much smarter and much more devious than we give them credit for.

While safety and standards are important, obviously... there will be on the job training and inspectors so I wouldn't worry too much. Heck, even I could wire a house - just not the mains - and it's still standing. Even did 2-way switches because joining red to red and black to black just isn't that much fun.
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Boy o boy, you have just shown how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Were you the previous owner of my current home. I had the wiring checked out by an electrician after purchase. He found that the spar of all things was not connected through the earth leakage safety switch. Some power points were connected to a light circuit with no earths. I appears that the original wiring was right but there had been additions made by someone else.

I'll bet he thought "Heck, even I could wire a house - just not the mains - and it's still standing" and yes it was still standing but a standing time bomb.

Another time I was renting a holiday home on the Gold Coast. Some of the power points weren't working so I went to check the fuses. One had fused. Another had obviously fused and had been "fixed" with a 2inch nail. No chance it would fuse again. Just another standing time bomb.:(
 
Ermmm do you guys realise that the trades in question will be operating on minesites under controlled conditions instead of having a 457 Visa as per Gina Rineharts wishes? :rolleyes:
 
nioka said:
Boy o boy, you have just shown how a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Were you the previous owner of my current home. I had the wiring checked out by an electrician after purchase. He found that the spar of all things was not connected through the earth leakage safety switch. Some power points were connected to a light circuit with no earths. I appears that the original wiring was right but there had been additions made by someone else.

I'll bet he thought "Heck, even I could wire a house - just not the mains - and it's still standing" and yes it was still standing but a standing time bomb.

Another time I was renting a holiday home on the Gold Coast. Some of the power points weren't working so I went to check the fuses. One had fused. Another had obviously fused and had been "fixed" with a 2inch nail. No chance it would fuse again. Just another standing time bomb.:(
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No that can't be me - I'd only run the light to the power, not the power to the light circuit. Not that silly :D
 
noco said:
As you will note, China executes thousands every year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ry-year-but-no-one-seems-quite-sure-how-many/
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And how is that in any way relevant to letting what could possibly be poorly trained tradies who may or may not have any idea about how to do work to Australian standards?

I know the Govt is arguing we shouldn't do things because they don't do it in Asia, but I'm quite happy we don't shoot dissidents, we have a reasonable right to free speech, heck we can sell our shares when we want and the Govt can't shut down half the stock market. I don't see the need to import labour from a country that has a lackadaisical attitude to safety and human life.

Will you hold Abbott accountable for every death that occurs?

What other country would allow foreigners to do the work of locals? What other country thinks it's a smart idea to bring in labour from overseas when various Govt departments have shown the skills crisis is no more and companies are not having any issues hiring appropriately qualified locals?

I fear the sheeple wont care till we're the underclass in our own country, and by then it'll be too late.
 
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Call me old fashioned, but I'd prefer a fireside chat with my dad over a letter. Possibly my lowly blue collar upbringing. Stamps were a luxury.

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sydboy007 said:
And how is that in any way relevant to letting what could possibly be poorly trained tradies who may or may not have any idea about how to do work to Australian standards?

I know the Govt is arguing we shouldn't do things because they don't do it in Asia, but I'm quite happy we don't shoot dissidents, we have a reasonable right to free speech, heck we can sell our shares when we want and the Govt can't shut down half the stock market. I don't see the need to import labour from a country that has a lackadaisical attitude to safety and human life.

Will you hold Abbott accountable for every death that occurs?

What other country would allow foreigners to do the work of locals? What other country thinks it's a smart idea to bring in labour from overseas when various Govt departments have shown the skills crisis is no more and companies are not having any issues hiring appropriately qualified locals?

I fear the sheeple wont care till we're the underclass in our own country, and by then it'll be too late.
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What about all the 1250 deaths of men women and children at sea under Rudd/Gillard...Have you held them accountable?
 
noco said:
What about all the 1250 deaths of men women and children at sea under Rudd/Gillard...Have you held them accountable?
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They lost the last election didn't they ?

Abbott and co should lose the next one for selling this country out.
 
Tisme said:
No way, anything to do with electrocutions is Rudd's fault
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Yeh, a job they did on our house the contractor was nowhere to be seen, they had 18 year old apprentices in the roof. The industry itself was the problem.
 
noco said:
What about all the 1250 deaths of men women and children at sea under Rudd/Gillard...Have you held them accountable?
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Usual piss poor mud raking. You might care to tell us how many refugees perished under Howard's reign?

What do you do Noco, when you are not bagging the Labor party. No prizes for guessing the answer.
 
Macquack said:
Usual piss poor mud raking. You might care to tell us how many refugees perished under Howard's reign?

What do you do Noco, when you are not bagging the Labor party. No prizes for guessing the answer.
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You are so accustomed to dishing it out but unfortunately you can't take it back.....Shame on you.
 
Macquack said:
Usual piss poor mud raking. You might care to tell us how many refugees perished under Howard's reign?

What do you do Noco, when you are not bagging the Labor party. No prizes for guessing the answer.
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363 between 2000 - 2007 - drowned at sea - 22 suicides in detention centres - Libs

877 between 2008 - 20013 - drowned at sea - 15 suicides in detention centres - Labs

The rubbery figures are contentious as they are "presumed" dead as there are no actual figures on the manifest of people on the boats *wink*
 
explod said:
Yeh, a job they did on our house the contractor was nowhere to be seen, they had 18 year old apprentices in the roof. The industry itself was the problem.
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At last!!! One voice of reason, spelling out the root of the problem.
It's far too easy to blame "the Government" and start a witch hunt because "they should've known".

If a tradesman does a shoddy job in my house, I demand he fixes it; if he can't, pass the claim on to his Insurer. But instead, we're far too easily inclined to turn a blind eye; too "understanding" that the small business owner wants to get in on the gravy train of Government-subsidised insulation, even though he doesn't have the know-how, staff, or time to do a proper job.
Successive governments of both persuasions are to blame for the "dumbing-down" of the population while perpetuating the myth of everyone being clever enough to perform any task unsupervised.
 
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