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SirRumpole said:
Not Chinese coal mines springing up everywhere, or substandard Chinese materials in our buildings constructed by substandard Chinese workers.
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Maybe we will soon have to choose between the Chinese and the Fabians...Not much difference really.
 
SirRumpole said:
Not Chinese coal mines springing up everywhere, or substandard Chinese materials in our buildings constructed by substandard Chinese workers.
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So you don't want mines, that employ people and you don't want Chinese gear and you don't want Chinese workers.

Well you had better get used to it.IMO

When our companies go broke, from high costs, who is going to buy them out?

When our mines go broke, who will buy them out?

When our farmers can't make enough money, selling their produce, who will buy them out?

The next question, will the new owners employ Australians, attitude and all.lol

When we don't make enough money, to support our welfare system, who pays the rates on the pensioners houses?

If you think Labor have the answers, best of luck with that.:D

I think they have less of a clue than Liberal, having said that, I don't think either have any idea.

The down side of a global economy, is, you have to compete and be competitive.

Just saying you are fabulous, and thinking you deserve better money than other people, doesn't make it so.lol

What if they are better workers than you, and worse still, what if they are better at their job than you.lol
 
trainspotter said:
Nothing will prepare you for THIS ....
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It's going way beyond foreign investment into Australian industry. Now we have Australian workers effectively pushed aside in their own country and replaced by those who lack the skills to do the job properly in the first place.

It will end with an inevitable consequence. Someone dies. Literally. Probably quite a few deaths actually if we're going to let shoddy workmanship become the norm. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
It's going way beyond foreign investment into Australian industry. Now we have Australian workers effectively pushed aside in their own country and replaced by those who lack the skills to do the job properly in the first place.

It will end with an inevitable consequence. Someone dies. Literally. Probably quite a few deaths actually if we're going to let shoddy workmanship become the norm. :2twocents
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What is a life worth in China......If they lose one or two there are millions waiting to take their place.
 
Smurf1976 said:
It's going way beyond foreign investment into Australian industry. Now we have Australian workers effectively pushed aside in their own country and replaced by those who lack the skills to do the job properly in the first place.

It will end with an inevitable consequence. Someone dies. Literally. Probably quite a few deaths actually if we're going to let shoddy workmanship become the norm. :2twocents
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That's a pretty far reaching statement smurph, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but do you have any facts on the Chinese skill set.:2twocents

We don't seem to have any trouble, buying and using household equipment sourced from there, actually most of our gear is from there.:rolleyes:

Maybe the penny is dropping, we aren't much different to the U.K after all.:xyxthumbs

The U.K had all sorts of social unrest and job displacement, when their economy was resetting, many thought it would never happen.

Just google Chinese hv transmission line workers, then click on images.

They have plenty of first world infrastructure, without the red tape.lol

The problem is, everyone is so concerned at keeping the status quo, they aren't thinking about the fact it isn't going to stay the same.
 
sptrawler said:
That's a pretty far reaching statement smurph, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but do you have any facts on the Chinese skill set.
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The agreement specifically removes the requirement to prove competency (skills assessment) in selected trades, including electrical and mechanical.

The result of that seems pretty clear to me, in that the effective change is to allow such work to be performed by persons not assessed as being competent in Australia. Given the different electrical standards between the two countries, it's almost certain that some work will be performed which comes nowhere close to meeting the relevant Australian standards.

Suffice to say that I'm aware of one recent incident where a Chinese pre-assembled installation has been completely stripped and rewired before being connected in Australia. Amongst other issues, the use of green coloured conductor as an Active (415V) is something that would give any Australian electrician cause for concern.

I have nothing against China per se, but their technical standards differ from ours and it is pure lunacy to allow differing standards to be used on installations in the same country (Australia) depending on who did the job and who was paying for it. Chinese sparky does the job with black and green used for Active conductors. Australian sparky comes along some years later doing maintenance and connects the wiring according to what the law says should be done in this country. Then things get real interesting once someone turns the power back on. Even more interesting once the coroner gets involved.

It's akin to saying that we'll allow people to drive on either the right or left hand side of the road depending on their origin and what they're used to in another country. Either left or right is fine if everyone does it but having both used interchangeably would lead to disaster for sure. Same if we have conflicting standards for electrical and other work, it's sure to end badly.

Regardless of what standards we have, they need to be consistent in the interests of safety for all concerned. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
The agreement specifically removes the requirement to prove competency (skills assessment) in selected trades, including electrical and mechanical.

The result of that seems pretty clear to me, in that the effective change is to allow such work to be performed by persons not assessed as being competent in Australia. Given the different electrical standards between the two countries, it's almost certain that some work will be performed which comes nowhere close to meeting the relevant Australian standards.

Suffice to say that I'm aware of one recent incident where a Chinese pre-assembled installation has been completely stripped and rewired before being connected in Australia. Amongst other issues, the use of green coloured conductor as an Active (415V) is something that would give any Australian electrician cause for concern.

I have nothing against China per se, but their technical standards differ from ours and it is pure lunacy to allow differing standards to be used on installations in the same country (Australia) depending on who did the job and who was paying for it. Chinese sparky does the job with black and green used for Active conductors. Australian sparky comes along some years later doing maintenance and connects the wiring according to what the law says should be done in this country. Then things get real interesting once someone turns the power back on. Even more interesting once the coroner gets involved.

It's akin to saying that we'll allow people to drive on either the right or left hand side of the road depending on their origin and what they're used to in another country. Either left or right is fine if everyone does it but having both used interchangeably would lead to disaster for sure. Same if we have conflicting standards for electrical and other work, it's sure to end badly.

Regardless of what standards we have, they need to be consistent in the interests of safety for all concerned. :2twocents
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The problem I see, is the Australian sparky that comes along some years later, will probably be Chinese.

We buy all our electrical appliances from China.

Most of our viable industries will be bought out by China.

You sound a bit like the U.K motor bike industry, they said Japan had stuffed up by putting the gear lever on the left hand side.:rolleyes:

Why are all our Iron ore companies struggling with prices at $50/tonne?
When Citic Pacific (Sino Steel) is still cruising along at $100/tonne production cost? :rolleyes:

Doesn't bode well for our mining companies, competing against that bankroll.lol

Just shows what you are up against, in a free!!! market.:2twocents
 
Smurph, another problem with electrical, it won't be long before houses are wired for low voltage.IMO

With the advancements in electronics, the only household appliances that still require 250v are the fridge and the A/C, everything else could run on 12/24v.

That wouldn't require a licensed electrician.

Which would then limit their prospects to industry.

Maybe the world is further ahead than we think, maybe we aren't at the cutting edge of where things are going, maybe we're just plebs on a forum.:D
 
What's with the Chinese bashing?

Free Trade agreements tend to always hit the manufacturing sector and trades so I take your point that it'll be bad for Australian in those fields. But we should give some credit to the gov't - they're actually much smarter and much more devious than we give them credit for.

While safety and standards are important, obviously... there will be on the job training and inspectors so I wouldn't worry too much. Heck, even I could wire a house - just not the mains - and it's still standing. Even did 2-way switches because joining red to red and black to black just isn't that much fun.
 
sptrawler said:
So you don't want mines, that employ people and you don't want Chinese gear and you don't want Chinese workers.

Well you had better get used to it.IMO

When our companies go broke, from high costs, who is going to buy them out?

When our mines go broke, who will buy them out?

When our farmers can't make enough money, selling their produce, who will buy them out?

The next question, will the new owners employ Australians, attitude and all.lol

When we don't make enough money, to support our welfare system, who pays the rates on the pensioners houses?

If you think Labor have the answers, best of luck with that.:D

I think they have less of a clue than Liberal, having said that, I don't think either have any idea.

The down side of a global economy, is, you have to compete and be competitive.

Just saying you are fabulous, and thinking you deserve better money than other people, doesn't make it so.lol

What if they are better workers than you, and worse still, what if they are better at their job than you.lol
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Well I`d like to ask if their work practices and business models are so superior then why do they have to come here to make money.
 
Caveman said:
I dont know what the latest ss ute has got to go with it (which i dont own)
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Well about as much as state subsidy has to do with it.

The only subsidy that is keeping Citic afloat is Chinese Government subsidy, if your alluding to that, be more specific.

This is a political thread.:xyxthumbs
 
Caveman said:
Well I`d like to ask if their work practices and business models are so superior then why do they have to come here to make money.
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Well it might be because we have the raw`materials, the arable land, the terrific climate and a small population of fat ar$ed lazy people.

But I may be wrong.:D
 
luutzu said:
What's with the Chinese bashing?

Free Trade agreements tend to always hit the manufacturing sector and trades so I take your point that it'll be bad for Australian in those fields. But we should give some credit to the gov't - they're actually much smarter and much more devious than we give them credit for.

While safety and standards are important, obviously... there will be on the job training and inspectors so I wouldn't worry too much. Heck, even I could wire a house - just not the mains - and it's still standing. Even did 2-way switches because joining red to red and black to black just isn't that much fun.
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What about the white switch wire? dick, that's why you still need an aussie to check your work.lol

See that is what I'm talking about, they're always pumping you for info. lol,lol,lol
 
sptrawler said:
Well it might be because we have the raw`materials, the arable land, the terrific climate and a small population of fat ar$ed lazy people.

But I may be wrong.:D
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Well I think you might be wrong.
Other countries do have all of the above except perhaps the small population.
You seem keen to sell out Australia?
 
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