The Abbott Government

[Tisme]

I take it the miners are the commercial arm of the Fabian Society? Commercial activities are not new for the socialists, I recall many a highrise building in Canberra and the capital cities were owned by the union movement, so ripping up the heartland of the N in LNP makes sense.

 

[SirRumpole]

Lambie is making out that the agriculture land will be forfeited for a coal mine..

The coal mine is in territory not used and cannot be used for agriculture purposes....The mine will only be using 1% of the underground water.......

Where is the conflict?......The farmer is happy as he will receive heaps of dough.

A big beat up by the loonie left and Barnby Joyce and now Tony Windsor wants to get into the act to enhance his bid for reentry into the political scene....Lets not forget Tony Windsor sold his farm to mining interests.

Let's say that China wanted to put a coal mine on a property and the landholder objects.

Currently governments can force the landholder to allow the mining company access to private property.

Do you support them being able to do this ?

 

[IFocus]

Katharine Murphy puts the week into context

Tony Abbott's pointless whims uncover those who refuse to minister to him

While all eyes were on Bill Shorten at the trade union royal commission, Europe fretted and the Chinese market wobbled and Tony Abbott and his increasingly fractious government had a very odd week.

Before Shorten met Dyson Heydon and Jeremy Stoljar on Wednesday and Thursday, Abbott had been in a supermarket suggesting to reporters that his grocery code of conduct would have prevented the various global market uncertainties.

Yes, I’m afraid he did. He obviously didn’t mean it because what he said was entirely ridiculous. But strange persisted. By week’s end the prime minister was telling the ABC, a broadcaster independent of government, that it needed to move the Q&A program to the news and current affairs division or his ministers would continue to boycott the program.

Oh dear Abbotts a liar who would have thought

what was being badged rather lamely by the prime minister’s office as a $4bn spend for the bush was actually a $1bn spend.

To compound indignity one, the prime minister then declined to let Joyce go on Q&A to sell it. (Nobody watches Aunty in the bush, right? Why would it be sensible to flog your wares there?)

But then there is more

Turnbull’s intervention on national security at the Sydney Institute on Tuesday night could not have been more elegant, more reasonable, more forensic, or more devastating.

Cut to the chase and you get

And there was Abbott, in the middle, with his grocery code, and his silly finger jab at the ABC, while the world around us wobbles.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia...inister-to-him

 

[Ijustnewit]

I would take any articles that Murphy writes and put them in the extreme left basket. You only have to follow a few articles or her twitter feed to see where she stands. Perhaps she would be better off on the ABC.

 

[sydboy007]

I would take any articles that Murphy writes and put them in the extreme left basket. You only have to follow a few articles or her twitter feed to see where she stands. Perhaps she would be better off on the ABC.

I see you didn't actually put the effort in to discredit what she said.

Was anything she said factually incorrect?

 

[sydboy007]

seems the Abbott Govt has decided to not bother with the fig leaf on climate change any more.

Pro coal in prim ag land. Tick

Against wind farms and wants to block the CEFC from helping to fund any new wind farms. Tick

Now my understanding is wind energy is still the cheapest non fossil fuel source of energy we have. We had to get rid of the carbon trading scheme because it was too expensive.

So why would the Govt actively discourage the cheapest source of renewable energy and push the CEFC to increase investments in solar? Doesn't that then make the RET more expensive and mean that there wont be any savings from the reduction of the RET?

Some on this forum have argued that the farmers who are selling out to Shenua for a massive coal mine have the right, but then doesn't a farmer with marginal land have the right to get a reliable income from wind turbines on their property? I'd be pretty confident in saying some wind turbines are going to have less of an impact on the surrounding community than a coal mine. Plenty of infra-sound generated from the heavy machinery used in a mine too.

We'll be behind the proverbial economic eight ball when the USA and China start to use carbon as a trade weapon.

 

[Smurf1976]

Liberals are there to benefit big business, that's how it works and has done for many years now.

Coal mines are a bigger business than an individual farm, be it an agricultural farm or a wind farm. Hence coal is more important.

 

[SirRumpole]

Liberals are there to benefit big business, that's how it works and has done for many years now.

Coal mines are a bigger business than an individual farm, be it an agricultural farm or a wind farm. Hence coal is more important.

The amount that coal companies are being advantaged makes Shorten's $40k "memory slip" look positively trivial.

The real bribery taking place is by big business to the Liberal Party. Obviously Holden, Ford and Toyota didn't pay enough.

 

[noco]

The amount that coal companies are being advantaged makes Shorten's $40k "memory slip" look positively trivial.

The real bribery taking place is by big business to the Liberal Party. Obviously Holden, Ford and Toyota didn't pay enough.

Oh come on Rumpy, Gillard paid the overseas car manufacturers $millions of dollars to stay until 2022 but they have decided to pull out sooner......You also know but won't admit it that the cost factor and lower production made it inevitable to pull out of Australia....Did you really believe the tax payer should subsidize this industry for ever and a day to prop up the corrupt unions.....Semi Skilled labour were being paid $80,000 per year for repetition work.

You seem to talk about big business should not operate in Australia....You talk about the coal industry which employes thousands of jobs.

Shortens $40,000 memory loss????????That is debatable as Bob Hogg commented....Shorten was hoping no one would find out.

The $80 million spent on the RC into union corruption is trivial in comparison to the $11 billion + wasted by the Green/Labor socialists on open borders.

 

[IFocus]

I would take any articles that Murphy writes and put them in the extreme left basket. You only have to follow a few articles or her twitter feed to see where she stands. Perhaps she would be better off on the ABC.

Murphy is left but not extreme IMHO, disagree about the ABC as its about broadcasting to the general community which is always going to be more socially biased rather than conservative plus the conservatives have joined the US Republicans in letting the extreme right to take power so the whole political spectrum has moved right.

A good measure is look at the UK conservatives I would suggest further left than Aus Labor in many areas.

 

[Macquack]

The $80 million spent on the RC into union corruption is trivial in comparison to the $11 billion + wasted by the Green/Labor socialists on open borders.

What is the relevance of this comparison, except to show your biased view.

 

[sydboy007]

Shortens $40,000 memory loss????????That is debatable as Bob Hogg commented....Shorten was hoping no one would find out.

Are you as scathing of the multitude of Abbott memory losses. Whether over his hanson slush fund, billing tax payers for his book signing tours, or forgetting about his mortgage of $710K, which many on the Liberal side said was "simple mistake", he's certainly a bit befuddled at times when it suits him.

I know, when you've been earning at a ministerial rate for so long these trifling sums are easy to forget.

Then Abbott was off at taxpayers expense back in March for a Liberal donor's birthday bash. said donor provided $750K in 2013-14

Liberals are no cleaner and have their snouts very deeply in the trough. To try and claim otherwise, there's just too much evidence to show it's true. Don Randall was a prime example.

 

[noco]

What is the relevance of this comparison, except to show your biased view.

The insinuation that RC into union corruption is a waste of money.........And you are trying to tell me the Green/Labor socialist party's expenditure of $11 billion + is for a good cause or was it a waste of money?

 

[SirRumpole]

The insinuation that RC into union corruption is a waste of money.........And you are trying to tell me the Green/Labor socialist party's expenditure of $11 billion + is for a good cause or was it a waste of money?

The spending of this money insulated Australia from the GFC no matter how much you like to pretend that it never happened.

Trying to justify the RC expense by saying its trivial compared to something else is just a diversionary tactic. Just what good will come out of it for the country ? It's a pointless political exercise.

 

[sydboy007]

The insinuation that RC into union corruption is a waste of money.........And you are trying to tell me the Green/Labor socialist party's expenditure of $11 billion + is for a good cause or was it a waste of money?

Spending under the Abbott government is now estimated at 25.9 per cent of GDP, higher than in the last years of Labor, and 2.8 percentage points of GDP higher (about $40 billion-$50 billion) than when the Howard government lost office in 2007-08.

The budget papers show that, measured as a percentage of GDP, spending under the two budget years of the Abbott government - both 25.9 per cent - was exceeded by Labor in only one year: 26 per cent in 2009-10, the year following the GFC spending.

But we've got a budget emergency and there's nothing to worry about an extra $100B in debt, and counting

 

[noco]

The spending of this money insulated Australia from the GFC no matter how much you like to pretend that it never happened.

Trying to justify the RC expense by saying its trivial compared to something else is just a diversionary tactic. Just what good will come out of it for the country ? It's a pointless political exercise.

Are you trying to tell me spending $11 billion + on illegal immigrants insulated Australia from the GFC?

Well, you must admit the RC has opened up a can of worms in the union movement....It has exposed the rorting, the intimidation, extortion, the bullying and how the workers were duded out $millions pay to strengthen Shortens personal advance...Shorten the workers friend??????????

 

[trainspotter]

Spending under the Abbott government is now estimated at 25.9 per cent of GDP, higher than in the last years of Labor, and 2.8 percentage points of GDP higher (about $40 billion-$50 billion) than when the Howard government lost office in 2007-08.

The budget papers show that, measured as a percentage of GDP, spending under the two budget years of the Abbott government - both 25.9 per cent - was exceeded by Labor in only one year: 26 per cent in 2009-10, the year following the GFC spending.

But we've got a budget emergency and there's nothing to worry about an extra $100B in debt, and counting

Shorten memory must have a shooooort memory ,,,,,

When John Howard left office, the nation had a gross debt of $58 billion and a net position of $44 billion in the black.

 

[Tisme]

Are you trying to tell me spending $11 billion + on illegal immigrants insulated Australia from the GFC?

Wasn't the spend a net zero, by diverting funds from the foreign aid budget?

 

[sptrawler]

Spending under the Abbott government is now estimated at 25.9 per cent of GDP, higher than in the last years of Labor, and 2.8 percentage points of GDP higher (about $40 billion-$50 billion) than when the Howard government lost office in 2007-08.

The budget papers show that, measured as a percentage of GDP, spending under the two budget years of the Abbott government - both 25.9 per cent - was exceeded by Labor in only one year: 26 per cent in 2009-10, the year following the GFC spending.

But we've got a budget emergency and there's nothing to worry about an extra $100B in debt, and counting

Well with GDP falling and spending cuts not allowed, that's a no brainer.

The only good thing that is going to happen, is a huge living standard shock, for everyone.IMO

Which, to be completely honest, we need.

Currently everyone thinks they are doing it hard, they are in for a shock.IMO

SE Asian Countries are industrialising and building a tertiary industrial base, this will underpin their standard of living growth.

The flip side of this, our underpinning economy is becoming more primary and secondary industry, which sooner or later will be reflected in our standard of living.

The U.K went through this in the 60's and 70's, their saving grace was a small country with a large population, we don't have that luxury.

 

[sydboy007]

Well with GDP falling and spending cuts not allowed, that's a no brainer.

The only good thing that is going to happen, is a huge living standard shock, for everyone.IMO

Which, to be completely honest, we need.

Currently everyone thinks they are doing it hard, they are in for a shock.IMO

SE Asian Countries are industrialising and building a tertiary industrial base, this will underpin their standard of living growth.

The flip side of this, our underpinning economy is becoming more primary and secondary industry, which sooner or later will be reflected in our standard of living.

The U.K went through this in the 60's and 70's, their saving grace was a small country with a large population, we don't have that luxury.

* Australian GDP is still growing - 2.3% on the latest figures. GDP per capita isn't so flash and hasn't been for over a decade.

* Income growth has been falling for an extended period - at lowest level in a very long time.

* Abbott made $16B in new spending commitments in the current budget. This was offset by savings so that the budget deficit improves by $1.6B over 5 years. Not much deficit busting effort there me thinks.

* Looking at close to $18B in spending cuts so I don't think you can claim that no spending cuts have been allowed.

* Yup, we're turning into a banana republic faster than I thought possible. I wonder how long before we get kids like this pinoy boy in Australia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...of-him-studying-on-the-street-goes-viral.html

"He is a very studious and determined boy... he would insist on going to school even without his lunch money because I have no money to give," Ms Espinosa said.

"He always tells me: 'Mama, I don't want to stay poor. I want to reach my dreams'."