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drsmith said:
He'll be gone by the end of Tuesday and the above five posts illustrate why.

We're just going through the motions now.
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I am not convinced but it will be in the party room we really find out Abbott's true standing.
 
IFocus said:
I am not convinced but it will be in the party room we really find out Abbott's true standing.
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In jockeying for position prior to tomorrow's spill motion, Malcolm's had a strategic loss this morning,

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=19431&page=7&p=860007&viewfull=1#post860007

The worst outcome of all is a mortally wounded PM still in the chair and an aspirant on the back bench. Apart from the loss of a competent minister, that didn't work well for Julia Gillard nor Paul Keating when one considers that in the end, the latter was fortunate in that John Hewson tripped over his own feet in the dying days of the 93 campaign.

IF TA hangs on, he will have again demonstrated his determination in the trenches as a political survivor but in front of him will then be the difficult bit.
 
Arthur Sinodinos declares support for spill motion after Abbott moves meeting forward to Monday,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-08/sinodinos-declares-support-for-spill-motion/6078002

Insiders today was little more than an obituary on the Tony Abbott prime-ministership. We're also getting closer to game on between TA and MT,

Malcolm Turnbull has described Tony Abbott's decision to bring the spill motion for the Liberal leadership forward as a "captain's call", while sending the clearest signal yet he would stand for the Liberal leadership if it is declared vacant.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ing-spill-motion-forward-20150207-138u9b.html
 
drsmith said:
In jockeying for position prior to tomorrow's spill motion, Malcolm's had a strategic loss this morning,

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=19431&page=7&p=860007&viewfull=1#post860007

The worst outcome of all is a mortally wounded PM still in the chair and an aspirant on the back bench. Apart from the loss of a competent minister, that didn't work well for Julia Gillard nor Paul Keating when one considers that in the end, the latter was fortunate in that John Hewson tripped over his own feet in the dying days of the 93 campaign.

IF TA hangs on, he will have again demonstrated his determination in the trenches as a political survivor but in front of him will then be the difficult bit.
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I thought Turnbul was setting Abbott up knowing he would bring forward the meeting to Monday

Makes Abbott look desperate, Monday was always the logical time to have the meeting.

Either way Abbott is terminal if not tomorrow it will happen, this is been driven by a desperate back bench not some claimant from the front bench which is the normal process.
 
It's pretty telling that Tony's arguments for staying on all revolve around "you can't oust a PM in his first term". He's certainly not running on his very meager achievements as PM.
 
Abbott has a real chance here given that he is surrounded by desperadoes clinging to their jobs Andrews, Hockey etc
 
IFocus said:
I thought Turnbul was setting Abbott up knowing he would bring forward the meeting to Monday

Makes Abbott look desperate, Monday was always the logical time to have the meeting.
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Another reason why MT should have said nothing and just let TA make that move.
 
Bringing the caucus meeting forward to Monday, whose brilliant idea was that? Talk about straws and camel's backs.

The latest polling isn't great for the PM.

ReachTEL finds Malcolm Turnbull clearly favoured over Julie Bishop clearly favoured [over] Tony Abbott - 6 Feb 2015 : http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2015/02/06/reachtel-55-45-to-labor/

..Two-party preferred moves one point in Labor’s favour to 55-45.

The kickers are the findings that the Coalition would be leading 54-46 under Malcolm Turnbull and 51-49 under Julie Bishop ..

..A head-to-head question rates Malcolm Turnbull ahead of Julie Bishop 56.5-43.5, but with Bishop having
a 54.4-45.6 edge among Coalition voters. The poll was conducted last night from a sample of 3502.
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SirRumpole said:
Ha ha ha. Another embarrassing wally who should be off playing in a sandpit.

Where do they get these people ?
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One issue not discussed is the talent on the back bench and lack f talent on the front bench
 
SirRumpole said:
Ha ha ha. Another embarrassing wally who should be off playing in a sandpit.

Where do they get these people ?
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That's the problem: The Aussie electorate voted them in! :banghead:

... and given that so many wallies are in fear of their front bench seats and ministerial perks, should TA be rolled, there is a real danger that the motion will be defeated and we're back in the same old same old.

The thing that irks me most: Abbott doesn't even argue about the Common Wealth, but only whinges that Libs are not Labor and must therefore follow their leader. What a bag of twaddle! Even if we know he doesn't care about ordinary Australians half as much as about himself: he could at least pretend... :1zhelp:
 
pixel said:
That's the problem: The Aussie electorate voted them in! :banghead:
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Before rushing to condemn this government as a whole we do have to consider where we would be today had we voted Labor back in under Kevin Rudd.

Meanwhile, someone's smiling,
 

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drsmith said:
Before rushing to condemn this government as a whole we do have to consider where we would be today had we voted Labor back in under Kevin Rudd.

Meanwhile, someone's smiling,
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Could you expand on this?

A bit of compare and contrast seems to be in order.

Exactly what is better today because of the Abbott Govt.

* Budget spending controlled? I don't think so.
* Spending on wasteful policies reduced? PPL may finally be dead, but school chaplains is still a core policy
* Improved revenue? Nope. Cut the MRRT and Carbon tax but didn't take back the compensation provided.
* Unemployment is up, participation is down.
* Businesses ain't investing at anywhere near the levels required to transition the economy from the mining CAPEX cliff that's rapidly approaching. Investment in clean energy has pretty much dried up in Australia, the ONLY country that's had this issue.
* Using CBAs to determine where finite Govt resources wil be used? Nope. Was happily handing over billions to the Victoria Govt on a road that provided just 45c in the $ of economic benefits.
* What about the FTAs he's wrapped up? Well he's had to accept IDS clauses that will likely bite us in the butt. Access for Australian farmers is so far in the future the benefits are likely to be minimal even by 2020.
*Allowed the car industry to shutter, never thinking that the major issue was the high AUD. Now we'll likely be importing cars under a lower AUD at a higher cost than if we'd continued to locally manufacture them.

Then we have to ask why is the Abbott so determined on increasing the number of 456 Visa workers in the country? When unemployment is rising fast and employers are finding it easy to hire appropriately qualified locals for jobs, why are we bringing in work foreign workers that are really stealing a local's job?

Then there's the great new tax on all things internet. $700M to set up, well over $100M a year to run, and can be avoided by using gmail and viber for all communications, al the while trying to hide the cost from the senate and voters, and not really getting just how useless it will be.

So besides your favourite stopping the boats, what policies has the Abbott Govt brought in that have left the Australian public better off?
 
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