The Abbott Government

[sptrawler]

Lots of private employers go above and beyond what the current PPL scheme provides for. The PPL scheme is a baseline.

I think you will find parental leave differs, very much from job to job.
My daughter had a baby 4 years ago, her EBA allowed for 2 weeks paid parental leave, the rest of her time off was at her own expense. I was quite shocked.
If it weren't for the Government assistance, she probably wouldn't have been able to have a baby.

 

[sydboy007]

Yes they did and that same scheme should apply to female politicians and public servants and not the extravaganza they now enjoy and paid for by the tax payer.

The Labor Party say they believe in fairness......where is the fairness hear?

But the current Govt wants to make PPL even more unfair. Personally I can think of plenty of other areas $2B could make a difference in, let alone the grand $5.5B a year that Abbott wants to throw around.

As I satated before - it’s easily possible to reinstate the Early Years Quality Fund and there’s even enough left to pay $1.2 billion for a planned pay increase for aged care workers (also scrapped by the Abbott government), plus $1.8 billion to save 3000 jobs under the endangered Medicare Locals scheme.

So while you like to bag the politicians generous PPL, it's the current Govt wanting to push through an extra $3.5B in costs on the economy.

 

[sydboy007]

I once had a neighbor, a man about 40, who was on a disability pension for a neck problem....He would religiously walk down the street, "stiff necked", with his neck brace securely fitted, but come after school he had no problem playing foot ball with his kids in the back yard.

Did you just sit at home whining about this, or did you report him?

 

[sydboy007]

I'll suggest again that Mr Abbott needs to be less passive about accepting all this flak and take a leaf out of Scott Morrison's book - that bloke knows how to stand up for himself and his beliefs.
It's time Mr Abbott stopped trying to be all things to all people because he simply cannot be.

What are his beliefs? He's in a Liberal party yet comes across as very illiberal.

He's said climate change is crap, but then says his direct action policy will achieve the goals necessary for Australia.

The carbon tax was a massive drain on the economy, yet his PPL levy (not a tax as that would break his promise) is not.

We're told students need to pay a higher proportion of their university courses, yet this doesn't require fees to be deregulated and likely doubled, while the Govt provides new funding for people to become church ministers.

We're told money is tight, but there's $250M for school chaplains.

It's the inconsistencies of Abbott that I think people are finally waking up to.

 

[Macquack]

Did you just sit at home whining about this, or did you report him?

That would be un-Australian, mate.

 

[Julia]

It's the inconsistencies of Abbott that I think people are finally waking up to.

Yes, that's a very fair criticism, syd.

 

[noco]

But the current Govt wants to make PPL even more unfair. Personally I can think of plenty of other areas $2B could make a difference in, let alone the grand $5.5B a year that Abbott wants to throw around.

As I satated before - it’s easily possible to reinstate the Early Years Quality Fund and there’s even enough left to pay $1.2 billion for a planned pay increase for aged care workers (also scrapped by the Abbott government), plus $1.8 billion to save 3000 jobs under the endangered Medicare Locals scheme.

So while you like to bag the politicians generous PPL, it's the current Govt wanting to push through an extra $3.5B in costs on the economy.

Firstly, I have never been in favour of PPL irrespective from where the money was coming from...certainly not from the tax payers like you and your comrades purport.

It is boring having to read the same old Labor left wing socialist rhetoric....It is becoming like cracked record that Labor don't know how to turn off.

Why don't you talk about the $11.5 billion wasted by Rudd/Gillard on illegal boat people when they opened the borders and it is still about $1 billion a year to maintain them and the 1200+ who drowned at sea.

Why don't you talk about the $ billions wasted on home insulation....the loss of 4 young lives and some 200 houses burnt down.....and BTW who will be the ones to compensate the families of those lost lives and the people who lost their homes.

Why don't you talk about the wasted money by Rudd/Gillard on over priced school halls.

Why don't you talk about the $1 billion per month we are paying on Labor's debt....It certainly makes your piddly claim look sick.

The Green/Labor left wing socialist are still in denial of the debt and deficit left from 2007/2013.

I can think of plenty of things that could be carried out with the Labor Party waste and just with the $1 billion a month in interest.

 

[noco]

Did you just sit at home whining about this, or did you report him?

I would like to have reported him but his wife and my wife were very close friends...we were the only ones who could see him playing foot ball with his kids......so I just had to turn a blind eye to it.

What would you have done under the same circumstances?...No doubt you would have jumped on the phone and dobbed him in irrespective of the consequences you may have faced with some good friends and neighbours.....It is very easy to be a bastard.

Discretion is sometimes the best decision..

 

[noco]

What are his beliefs? He's in a Liberal party yet comes across as very illiberal.

He's said climate change is crap, but then says his direct action policy will achieve the goals necessary for Australia.

The carbon tax was a massive drain on the economy, yet his PPL levy (not a tax as that would break his promise) is not.

We're told students need to pay a higher proportion of their university courses, yet this doesn't require fees to be deregulated and likely doubled, while the Govt provides new funding for people to become church ministers.

We're told money is tight, but there's $250M for school chaplains.

It's the inconsistencies of Abbott that I think people are finally waking up to.

And of course there were no inconsistencies with Rudd/Gillard/Rudd???????????...you have such a short memory.

The carbon tax was certainly a drain on the economy alright...you know the carbon tax that would never be introduced under the government I lead ahla Julia Gillrad.......almost sent lots of companies down the gurgler....Not sure how many companies stop investing here or who took there money overseas or how many jobs were lost as a result.

 

[explod]

And of course there were no inconsistencies with Rudd/Gillard/Rudd???????????...you have such a short memory.

The carbon tax was certainly a drain on the economy alright...you know the carbon tax that would never be introduced under the government I lead ahla Julia Gillrad.......almost sent lots of companies down the gurgler....Not sure how many companies stop investing here or who took there money overseas or how many jobs were lost as a result.

Blah blahring of the labour past is not cutting it anymore noco.

Need to deal with the glaring and unfair proposals of those now in power as put up by sydboy.

The topic of this thread is " THE ABBOTT GOVERNMENT."

 

[Smurf1976]

It's the inconsistencies of Abbott that I think people are finally waking up to.

I've been involved in plenty of real "face to face" debates in my time, everything from industrial relations to the environment, and without exception it's inconsistency and/or not presenting a clear and viable alternative approach that really gets people fired up. That is true regardless of the issue or viewpoint being expressed.

If we're desperately short on money then proposing new spending measures on anything not clearly essential is an obvious inconsistency.

If climate change is crap then spending money to address it is an obvious inconsistency and that is especially so if you're also saying that we're short on money. If there's a lack of money then why would you propose new spending on something you're saying is unimportant anyway? That's clearly not a properly thought out, logical position to have.

If climate change is real and we're going to stop using coal then failing to propose an actual alternative (regardless of what that is) is another sure fire way to get people offside. It's one thing to say you're going to stop doing something, but that immediately raises the question of what you're going to do instead? If no answer is given, then there's only two rational explanations. Either (1) you haven't got a clue or (2) you expect that people won't like the answer. Either way, the lack of an answer rings alarm bells with anyone who thinks and that is true regardless of their view on the actual issue (climate change being just an example here to illustrate the point. Same principle applies to everything).

 

[noco]

Blah blahring of the labour past is not cutting it anymore noco.

Need to deal with the glaring and unfair proposals of those now in power as put up by sydboy.

The topic of this thread is " THE ABBOTT GOVERNMENT."

Don't you believe it.....Labor's past will be cutting it for years to come....I am very well aware of what this thread is all about but you cannot divorce the fact that Labor left a hell of a mess for the Abbott Government to clean up, so Labor is still very much associated with what this Government is trying to do with no help from the Labor Party except obstruct methods of savings.

And you are so naive that do not understand or don't want to understand why cuts have to be made...I just cannot believe how you expect this current government to pay back the debt and deficit left by Labor in not 12 months or even 3 years but very much longer.....you Green/Labor left wing socialists are unbelievable..

 

[Macquack]

Don't you believe it.....Labor's past will be cutting it for years to come....I am very well aware of what this thread is all about but you cannot divorce the fact that Labor left a hell of a mess for the Abbott Government to clean up, so Labor is still very much associated with what this Government is trying to do with no help from the Labor Party except obstruct methods of savings.

And you are so naive that do not understand or don't want to understand why cuts have to be made...I just cannot believe how you expect this current government to pay back the debt and deficit left by Labor in not 12 months or even 3 years but very much longer.....you Green/Labor left wing socialists are unbelievable..

Abbott does not even bang on about "everything is the Labor Party's fault" as much as you do Noco.

It is sour grapes and people don't want to hear it.

So lets start "moving forward".

 

[explod]

Don't you believe it.....Labor's past will be cutting it for years to come....I am very well aware of what this thread is all about but you cannot divorce the fact that Labor left a hell of a mess for the Abbott Government to clean up, so Labor is still very much associated with what this Government is trying to do with no help from the Labor Party except obstruct methods of savings.

And you are so naive that do not understand or don't want to understand why cuts have to be made...I just cannot believe how you expect this current government to pay back the debt and deficit left by Labor in not 12 months or even 3 years but very much longer.....you Green/Labor left wing socialists are unbelievable..

Naive huh, I worked in a public service post for five years within a research team on future planning and development which included the demographics of both population and infrastructure needs.

What you need to do is specifically list the actual actions being taken or proposed by the Abbott Government that will improve the lot for the community going forward.

All I can see is cuts to spending on education, medicine and welfare at the lower levels with no gains other than letting the much higher paid off tax increases.

And you have also failed to respond to the facts presented on debt which I put up a couple of times, the last about a week ago, Aust per head debt $15,000, the US $70,000, Our debt is nothing and a first principal of expanding for the future is to borrow so that those in the future who are to benefit help to pay for it.

This harping of debt is no more than political blah blah to try and blurr the issues.

So its time for you to be constructive noco.

 

[Smurf1976]

And you are so naive that do not understand or don't want to understand why cuts have to be made...

That's the same line the Tas state government is using.

But you can save money without needing to be outright nasty in doing so. I mean seriously, new spending on things we don't need and can't afford meanwhile cutting all sorts of other things? And in the case of the state government, not even being willing to have a proper meeting with unions? Not even a meeting?

The Liberals are showing their true colours unfortunately. Hit the weak and play games in the name of saving money, and yet somehow managing to find plenty of money for their own pet projects. Most can see straight through that game.

 

[noco]

Abbott does not even bang on about "everything is the Labor Party's fault" as much as you do Noco.

It is sour grapes and people don't want to hear it.

So lets start "moving forward".

The only ones who don't want to hear about it is the Green/Labor left wing socialist.....they just can't stand being reminded about the mess they left....It sticks in their gizzard every time it is mentioned.

We were supposed to move forrrrrrrrrrrwwaaarrrrrrrdd under Gillard but we went backwards.

 

[noco]

That's the same line the Tas state government is using.

But you can save money without needing to be outright nasty in doing so. I mean seriously, new spending on things we don't need and can't afford meanwhile cutting all sorts of other things? And in the case of the state government, not even being willing to have a proper meeting with unions? Not even a meeting?

The Liberals are showing their true colours unfortunately. Hit the weak and play games in the name of saving money, and yet somehow managing to find plenty of money for their own pet projects. Most can see straight through that game.

Yes well that is the old propaganda Labor always uses...Play on the minds of the weak......Money for what pet projects?...As far as I know the Abbott Government is trying to keep the country going with projects to keep unemployment down

Why should the Liberal Government meet with such corrupt unions?.......The unions are not governing the country or are they?....They probably are in Victoria and South Australia.

 

[explod]

The only ones who don't want to hear about it is the Green/Labor left wing socialist.....they just can't stand being reminded about the mess they left....It sticks in their gizzard every time it is mentioned.

We were supposed to move forrrrrrrrrrrwwaaarrrrrrrdd under Gillard but we went backwards.

You are not answering the questions raised noco.

And an old one to you now:- Under the Abbott Government, where are the jobs coming from?

 

[noco]

Naive huh, I worked in a public service post for five years within a research team on future planning and development which included the demographics of both population and infrastructure needs.

What you need to do is specifically list the actual actions being taken or proposed by the Abbott Government that will improve the lot for the community going forward.

All I can see is cuts to spending on education, medicine and welfare at the lower levels with no gains other than letting the much higher paid off tax increases.

And you have also failed to respond to the facts presented on debt which I put up a couple of times, the last about a week ago, Aust per head debt $15,000, the US $70,000, Our debt is nothing and a first principal of expanding for the future is to borrow so that those in the future who are to benefit help to pay for it.

This harping of debt is no more than political blah blah to try and blurr the issues.

So its time for you to be constructive noco.

So you "WORKED" for the public service...Did you have enough to keep you going for 4 hours per day.

Why should we compare ourselves with the USA?...they have 10 times the population, they are the largest economy in the world and can handle that kind of debt not forgetting Obama is a socialist left so it does not surprise me their debt is so high.

When you come to think of it, what could the Abbott government do with that $1 billion a month in interest on money Labor borrowed......How many new dams could be built or how many kilometers of new Hy-ways could be built....What could Queensland, NSW and Victoria have done with the money Labor wasted on moth balled desalinization plants.....total approx $6 billion....Desal plants built because that stupid Tim Flannery said it would never rain again sufficient to fill the dams and the Green/Labor coalition believed him instead of being more astute by doing their homework

So all we have to do is keep borrowing and spending like drunken Labor sailors.

You really do need some education on economics.

 

[Smurf1976]

Why should the Liberal Government meet with such corrupt unions?.......The unions are not governing the country or are they?....

Noting that I was referring to the state government in this instance, it seems a bit unreasonable to me for any overnment to claim that unions won't agree to a proposal when government (1) never put forward actual legislation for such a proposal and (2) refused to meet with unions in a sensible manner (ie a proper meeting, not 5 minutes in a hallway somewhere) to discuss it.

As a taxpayer, I consider it reasonable to expect that a government would undertake negotiations in a sensible manner rather than almost exclusively via the media as has occurred. It's not a personal gripe, that's not an issue which directly affects me, but it shows incredibly poor form in my view for a government to effectively refuse to negotiate, then claim that the other side wouldn't agree. How, exactly, does one come to an agreement if you can't even get a meeting in which to discuss it?

Have these people forgotten what their job actually is? They are elected to govern the state / country in the best interests of the people. Like many, I'm more than fed up with the silly games and would gladly see an end to it. Get back to governing and drop the ideological rubbish that clearly hasn't worked.

As for Abbott and his pet projects, PPL is an obvious one and so is Direct Action (better described as Direct Handouts to selected big businesses).

The good news, if there's any, is that arrogance usually does lead to a downfall sooner or later. The bad news is that Labor won't mange the finances too well once the inevitable happens and Labor are swept back into power in most states and federally. At a guess, that's going to be sooner rather than later.