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I'm expecting the devaluation to be greater than most seem to be thinking at present. Looking at the overall circumstances, a bit over 80 US cents still sounds more like a top than a bottom despite the recent falls.:2twocents

I'm expecting the peso to be down with a 6 in front of it, possibly even a 5 depending how deep the income recession takes us.
 
the context of why the deficit is blowing out has now become relevant.

There's a big difference between a one-off problem versus an ongoing structural one.

Eat too much on Christmas Day = not really a problem. Doing it every day is a very different situation however which in due course leads to obesity and associated problems.

Same principle with finance. I see no problem with running the occasional deficit due to one-off problems. Eg 40 years ago Darwin was flattened by a cyclone and there was also the partial collapse of the Tasman Bridge in Hobart. Two significant disasters within days of each other. Commonsense says borrow money if needed to deal with the situation. Same with more recent things like the Queensland floods a few years ago etc. It's OK to borrow if you've got a fundamentally sound position and can repay the debt from ongoing income. It's very, very different however if you're borrowing in order to fund routine expenditure as now seems to be the case.

The trouble with politicians of all persuasions is that they seem to expect the good times to last forever. We have a boom in whatever industry and that generates both taxation revenue and broader benefits such as reduced unemployment etc. Governments always fail to save for a rainy day and we're then faced with a financial crisis once the boom inevitably ends.

It's economics 101 really. I won't claim to know what the next boom will be or when it will occur. But I do know that it will in due course end. They always do. Only politicians seem unable to grasp this basic reality. :2twocents
 
There's a big difference between a one-off problem versus an ongoing structural one.

Eat too much on Christmas Day = not really a problem. Doing it every day is a very different situation however which in due course leads to obesity and associated problems.

Same principle with finance. I see no problem with running the occasional deficit due to one-off problems. Eg 40 years ago Darwin was flattened by a cyclone and there was also the partial collapse of the Tasman Bridge in Hobart. Two significant disasters within days of each other. Commonsense says borrow money if needed to deal with the situation. Same with more recent things like the Queensland floods a few years ago etc. It's OK to borrow if you've got a fundamentally sound position and can repay the debt from ongoing income. It's very, very different however if you're borrowing in order to fund routine expenditure as now seems to be the case.

The trouble with politicians of all persuasions is that they seem to expect the good times to last forever. We have a boom in whatever industry and that generates both taxation revenue and broader benefits such as reduced unemployment etc. Governments always fail to save for a rainy day and we're then faced with a financial crisis once the boom inevitably ends.

It's economics 101 really. I won't claim to know what the next boom will be or when it will occur. But I do know that it will in due course end. They always do. Only politicians seem unable to grasp this basic reality. :2twocents

Of course they grasp this basic reality it's just that all of their incentives are to spend. Singapore and Norway are probably the most fiscally responsible countries in the world and Singapore can get away with it due to it being a one-party state while Norway it seems to be cultural.
 
Before they hit the jackpost with North Sea oil Norway mainly relied on fishing and shipping for their income.Now they have an 800 billion sovereign wealth fund with a population of a little over five million.They were not going to let the vast majority of oil profits go to the private sector.
In Australia both parties tend to pork barrel for the next election.I heard John Hewson say that the Howard/Costello middle class welfare handouts cost between thirty to forty billion.That was when John Howard said that what better could you do than give the money to the people.
And I think that the Rudd/Gillard governments wanted to introduce extra expenditure ,maybe to make it hard for the incoming government.
With three year election cycles and no consensus about the future between antagonistic poliltical parties not much will change in Australia.
As was said....the culture is not right.
 
Before they hit the jackpost with North Sea oil Norway mainly relied on fishing and shipping for their income.Now they have an 800 billion sovereign wealth fund with a population of a little over five million.They were not going to let the vast majority of oil profits go to the private sector.
In Australia both parties tend to pork barrel for the next election.I heard John Hewson say that the Howard/Costello middle class welfare handouts cost between thirty to forty billion.That was when John Howard said that what better could you do than give the money to the people.
And I think that the Rudd/Gillard governments wanted to introduce extra expenditure ,maybe to make it hard for the incoming government.
With three year election cycles and no consensus about the future between antagonistic poliltical parties not much will change in Australia.
As was said....the culture is not right.

Howard was lucky to be in when the money was flowing in and he certainly had no hesitation in spending it on getting reelected but I think Labor would have been worse. God knows how many hare brained "nation building" schemes they would have come up with.
 
God knows how many hare brained "nation building" schemes they would have come up with.

There's good spending and there's bad.

The Snowy scheme was commenced before most currently living Australians were born. For that matter, it was commenced before their parents were born in many cases and construction was completed a generation ago (1975).

It still has value today. It still generates peak power into NSW and Vic. It still provides irrigation water for agriculture. It still does exactly what it was supposed to do, and there's no reason why it shouldn't still be working long after you and I fall off our perch.

In contrast, can anyone point me to a real ongoing benefit of the $900 "Rudd money" handouts? Anything at all of ongoing value? I'd take a guess that well over 90% of what it bought has either been consumed, thrown out or forgotten about by now.

I'm not proposing that we necessarily build another Snowy-like scheme involving dams and tunnels (though that is possible in an engineering sense certainly) but if we're going to spend taxpayers' funds to generate economic activity then I'd very much rather it went into something of effectively permanent value instead of disappearing amidst general consumer spending on mostly imported goods.

I'm sure we could come up with a pretty long list of potentially worthwhile projects and no doubt we'd disagree with some of them. But anything of ongoing use, which benefits the nation's productivity and has a 50+ year lifespan looks a lot better an idea to me than spending it on new TV's and so on.:2twocents
 
I'm sure we could come up with a pretty long list of potentially worthwhile projects and no doubt we'd disagree with some of them. But anything of ongoing use, which benefits the nation's productivity and has a 50+ year lifespan looks a lot better an idea to me than spending it on new TV's and so on.:2twocents

As long as the infrastructure is self liquidating. The current crop of infrastructure like the Melbourne billion $ per km tunnel that only generated 45c of economic return for each $ spent is not going to help increase the wealth of the country.

Infrastructure Australia already has a list of projects it deems appropriate for investment, it's just the current Govt is doing it's best to ignore them or fudge things by padding the economic benefits, which you might get away with when your flush with cash but is crazy to do when you're running budget deficits.
 
There's good spending and there's bad.

The Snowy scheme was commenced before most currently living Australians were born. For that matter, it was commenced before their parents were born in many cases and construction was completed a generation ago (1975).

It still has value today. It still generates peak power into NSW and Vic. It still provides irrigation water for agriculture. It still does exactly what it was supposed to do, and there's no reason why it shouldn't still be working long after you and I fall off our perch.

In contrast, can anyone point me to a real ongoing benefit of the $900 "Rudd money" handouts? Anything at all of ongoing value? I'd take a guess that well over 90% of what it bought has either been consumed, thrown out or forgotten about by now.

I'm not proposing that we necessarily build another Snowy-like scheme involving dams and tunnels (though that is possible in an engineering sense certainly) but if we're going to spend taxpayers' funds to generate economic activity then I'd very much rather it went into something of effectively permanent value instead of disappearing amidst general consumer spending on mostly imported goods.

I'm sure we could come up with a pretty long list of potentially worthwhile projects and no doubt we'd disagree with some of them. But anything of ongoing use, which benefits the nation's productivity and has a 50+ year lifespan looks a lot better an idea to me than spending it on new TV's and so on.:2twocents

The $900 handouts were the quickest way to give the economy a consumer injection. They served their purpose.

when Labor Governments talk about "nation building" it's usually prestige projects rather than hum drum infrastructure (which is usually more useful). I think some US states have laws that a certain % of infrastructure money must be spent on maintenance of existing infrastructure in order to limit ego driven projects.
 
The $900 handouts were the quickest way to give the economy a consumer injection. They served their purpose.

Rudd put those $900 handouts on the Australian credit card and now we have to pay it back indirectly through a lower standard of living......Rudd borrowed money to do it and now it is costing the country $1 billion a month in interest.....It now has to paid back......The left side of politics just don't want to know about it and are in complete denial.

As Alan Koler states, it will have to be paid back by expenditure cuts to welfare or higher taxes.

Rudd was a good fellow at the time.......Abbott is now the bad fellow.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-social-services/story-fnihsr9v-1227168753182

Haven’t we got it good in Australia?

Well, no, apparently. Opinion polls tell us that we are actually dissatisfied with the status quo and unhappy with the belt-tightening that Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey would have us do.

Belt-tightening? Us?

We are one of the fattest nations on Earth, both literally and metaphorically, and we are beside ourselves with indignation when our politicians tell us we need to slow down a bit on the non-stop spending.

How dare they tell us to cut down!

So disgusted are we by Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey lecturing us in this way that we intend to vote at the next election for the other mob – the party that promises to keep on giving us more and more with not even the slightest acknowledgment that the good times are over.

Indeed, Bill Shorten, when quizzed recently on the ABC, could not even admit that the Australian economy is in trouble.

This from the man who, A), was part of the team that wasted the boom years in the first place; and B) is in the pocket of the unions; who selfishly plunder our economic prosperity, cripple our industrial performance and act like a dead hand on individual enterprise.
 
Where was George Brandis' co-contribution for the $1100 dinner in London, including a $400 wine bill? (SMH this morning).

Happy to wag the finger in our faces.
 
Coming from Piers Akerman mind. He's just saying what so many are thinking.

Piers Akerman: PM Tony Abbott’s obstinance is protecting chief of staff Peta Credlin
THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH - 28 December 2014
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...167157731?nk=b48c34b742cfb95f7a3fad9430acac2b

...It is clear that Abbott has developed an almost unhealthy reliance on Credlin’s advice...

...there is a problem having a married couple such as Credlin, in the prime minister’s office, and her husband Brian Loughnane, as federal director of the Liberal Party...

...Mainstream Coalition supporters feel they have been deserted...
 

Piers Akerman: PM Tony Abbott’s obstinance is protecting chief of staff Peta Credlin
THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH - 28 December 2014
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...3fad9430acac2b

...It is clear that Abbott has developed an almost unhealthy reliance on Credlin’s advice...

...there is a problem having a married couple such as Credlin, in the prime minister’s office, and her husband Brian Loughnane, as federal director of the Liberal Party...

...Mainstream Coalition supporters feel they have been deserted...

The thing is that Coalition supporters are generally very quick to point out anyone but their own camp as incompetent, usually with the help of a third eye only they possess. So it becomes rather confusing when the likes of the all seeing Piers Akerman takes so long to realise what has been going on in the Credlin Govt and the Credlin/Loughnane caucus.

I'm blaming sun spots for the rather poor performance of the welded on LNP toffs in misreading the tea leaves; that or the blinkers are literally on the blink. The sad part for me is that I (and 55% of the voting minions) have to involuntarily suffer the poor choices others made and the incomprehensible obsequious devotion of some to the lemon they bought.:rolleyes:
 
The sad part for me is that I (and 55% of the voting minions) have to involuntarily suffer the poor choices others made and the incomprehensible obsequious devotion of some to the lemon they bought.:rolleyes:

There certainly seem to be a lot of rusted ons here.

Although I lean towards the policies of the Labor party in preference to the Coalition, there have been plenty of times that I have given neither of the main parties my first preference, especially when I could vote for a good indie or when the Australian Democrats were operating.

I have a feeling that there is some good talent that is not being utilised in both major parties. The Coalition front bench is old and tired, Labor's are a bit untested especially after all the Ministerial departures they had before the last election.

Not a good time for politics, but it seems we have been saying that for quite some time.
 
Well, no, apparently. Opinion polls tell us that we are actually dissatisfied with the status quo and unhappy with the belt-tightening that Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey would have us do.

There's nothing wrong with belt tightening if it's done sensibly.

The problem is that the Coalition has used the financial situation to justify sheer arrogance and the introduction of ideologically driven policies which just isn't necessary. By all means save money, but there's no need to be nasty about it or let your personal view of the world get in the way. That's where Abbott is going wrong, and the reason he won't be PM too much longer I expect.:2twocents
 
Yes, indeed I have voted Labor both federally and state. And I would again if they showed evidence of good policy and sound financial management.

So that's me off your list of rusted on voters. Who else are you asserting falls into that category?
 
Yes, indeed I have voted Labor both federally and state. And I would again if they showed evidence of good policy and sound financial management.

So that's me off your list of rusted on voters. Who else are you asserting falls into that category?

sptrawler, Calliope would be fair bets. As the membership has sadly declined there aren't as many vocal people in the political threads these days but when the politics were hot the opinions were mainly for the Coalition.
 
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