The Abbott Government

[Julia]

The same Govt that is Ok txing the large companies for an overly generous PPL is now siding with those same companies to try and cut back on the shift penalties for those working weekends, public holidays and unsavoury late hours and over night.

etc etc, Syd.
We've been all through this many times before. I don't know who you're trying to convince. No one here has ever offered any support for Mr Abbott's PPL.
For that matter I don't support any PPL. If people want to have babies then they can pay for them themselves.
And double that sentiment when it comes to same sex couples being funded by the taxpayer for countless rounds of IVF.

My hope is that the push back from the relatively unfair budget means any effort to demonise the poor and unemployed wont get public support. With rising unemployment and more people feeling insecure with their employment, a lot more voters will be thinking about what any proposed changes could mean for them.

Why don't we wait and see how Morrison handles his new portfolio. I'm not at all sure the general public will take the view you suggest above. Perhaps more along the lines of Rumpole's suggestion about some of the people on the DSP.

I don't think any reasonable person would agree that $35 per day is enough to live on. But I'll also acknowledge that I don't know where the line should be drawn between an incentive to find a job and an amount which is comfortable to live on long term.

I can't remember when that low dole level happened: was it under this government or did Labor also have it at $35 p. day plus rent assistance?

 

[Julia]

They had their own faults and you're certainly not alone in being glad to see them gone, but you can't reasonably accuse either of them of mental laziness. I think that Abbott's laziness, even more than his rampant sexism, is what makes him utterly unfit for the job of PM.

ghotib, I've been pondering your use of the 'lazy': it seems a rather unusual adjective for someone so self disciplined in terms of physical fitness etc. Mr Abbott doesn't strike me as lazy so much as timorous. He was confident in opposition because he knew he could just object and attack (as Labor is doing now) and his three word slogans pretty much did the job.

But he's perhaps finding it very different in government where much more is required of him. He seems to think he has to be liked by everyone. I wince when I listen to him being interviewed by cretins such as Alan Jones who lash him with criticism and insults while he becomes ever more pathetically defensive instead of standing up for himself.

I know a lot of people don't like Scott Morrison, but he's clear and unambiguous, never cowed by anyone, so has some authority. Then John Howard achieved the same authority in a much more quiet way. No one ever caused him to lose his temper or his calm self assurance.

Julie Bishop also displays a calm, assertive confidence which is probably why she's doing pretty well in the polls.

If you could expand on your use of 'lazy' I'd be interested.

As far as either Rudd or Gillard being not lazy is concerned, it might have been better if they were a little more so inclined, rather than have grand schemes such as the NDIS which now seems to be unravelling with many people having had their expectations unreasonably raised.

 

[Macquack]

If you re read your post, you seem to be suffering, from the same affliction. Therefore your judgement is questionable.

+1....I will drink to that.

Sorry, I "saw" Abbott on Sunrise, I did not "say" him on Sunrise.

I do not profess to be articulate, but I "aint" the Prime Minister of Australia.

If that is the best you can come up with, you guys are pathetic.

Sptrawler, can you "reread" you own post and correct the "re read", please.

 

[sptrawler]

Sorry, I "saw" Abbott on Sunrise, I did not "say" him on Sunrise.

I do not profess to be articulate, but I "aint" the Prime Minister of Australia.

If that is the best you can come up with, you guys are pathetic.

Sptrawler, can you "reread" you own post and correct the "re read", please.

I guess I just thought it funny that you critique his performance, without checking your own.

Probably boils down to blind hate, which is fair enough, if you have logical reasoning to support it.

I'm still yet to see him display a nasty, agressive or anti feminist persona, you rant on about.
Maybe I would have more sympathy to your cause, if you could supply a link or some factual account to support your rants.

 

[Macquack]

Maybe I would have more sympathy to your cause, if you could supply a link or some factual account to support your rants.

I said Abbott was inarticulate, hardly a rant???

Blind freddy knows that, you only have to watch the television if you want a factual account.

 

[noco]

For about the thousandth time, Rumpole:
1. no one here has supported this so it's pretty pointless your continuing to raise it
2. even in its awfulness, it's paid for by a tax on big business, not the taxpayer.

Can't comment on Victorian issues - know nothing about them.

But that same PPL is OK for politicians and public servants........three Labor female politicians are about to exploit it to the fullest..

Penny Wong
Kate Ellis
Amanda Ridgeway

All pregnant and all paid for by the tax payers.

 

[noco]

Probably boils down to blind hate, which is fair enough, if you have logical reasoning to support it.

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All Fabians hate capitalism and free enterprise no matter who is the leader of the liberals....(Sorry Julia for mentioning the "F" word.)

 

[sptrawler]

I said Abbott was inarticulate, hardly a rant???

Blind freddy knows that, you only have to watch the television if you want a factual account.

My apologies, I think I confused your post with another posters.

 

[Julia]

But that same PPL is OK for politicians and public servants........three Labor female politicians are about to exploit it to the fullest..

Penny Wong
Kate Ellis
Amanda Ridgeway

All pregnant and all paid for by the tax payers.

Not OK with me, noco. I already made clear that I don't support any taxpayer funds going to anyone to have babies.
Just crazy that the above well paid people, if what you say is right, are being subsidised by people on probably about a quarter of their incomes.

 

[Tisme]

"Prime Minister Tony Abbott has declared the repeal of the carbon tax as his biggest contribution for women in 2014. "
SMH referring to Abbott chat with Wilkinson on morning show

I suspect the minister for women hasn't done anything of note for women this year.

 

[pixel]

"Prime Minister Tony Abbott has declared the repeal of the carbon tax as his biggest contribution for women in 2014. "
SMH referring to Abbott chat with Wilkinson on morning show

I suspect the minister for women hasn't done anything of note for women this year.

Are you serious?
How on Earth can anthropogenic temperature increase possibly be advantageous for women?

Oh, maybe if we try thinking along Tony's atavistic stereotypes that govern gender roles:

Women don't seem to warm to his ideas.
Women have cold feet and headaches; wasn't that one of the Bogan stereotypes in noco's recent poem too?

So, turning up the heat cures women's cold feet and maybe makes them warm to him?

That guy is a disgrace!

 

[sptrawler]

"Prime Minister Tony Abbott has declared the repeal of the carbon tax as his biggest contribution for women in 2014. "
SMH referring to Abbott chat with Wilkinson on morning show

I suspect the minister for women hasn't done anything of note for women this year.

Can you tell me, who has done much for women, at the political level? In the last 20 years.

It just seems like another stick, to beat Abbott with, not that they need more.

What did the Labor sisters do for women? other than help put the knife in Gillard?

I find the constant abuse of Abbott, as sexist bewildering, he doesn't retaliate yet cops more abuse.

I think everyone would be up in arms, if Abbott was female, but he isn't so he just has to suck it up. lol

People really need to get a grip on reality, why is abuse of Abbott o.k because he's a male.

Yet vague innuendo of sexist remarks toward Gillard, brings about a world news spray against Abbott.

We really are bringing on our own demise, by glorifying bull$hit, to justify bad behaviour and our drop in moral standards.IMO

Men are becoming effeminate or is that metrosexual, while women don't seem too keen on taking the prominent role as the bread winner.
Hope we can find a happy balance, maybe Penny Wong has it right.

My christmas rant

 

[noco]

Can you tell me, who has done much for women, at the political level? In the last 20 years.

It just seems like another stick, to beat Abbott with, not that they need more.

What did the Labor sisters do for women? other than help put the knife in Gillard?

I find the constant abuse of Abbott, as sexist bewildering, he doesn't retaliate yet cops more abuse.

I think everyone would be up in arms, if Abbott was female, but he isn't so he just has to suck it up. lol

People really need to get a grip on reality, why is abuse of Abbott o.k because he's a male.

Yet vague innuendo of sexist remarks toward Gillard, brings about a world news spray against Abbott.

We really are bringing on our own demise, by glorifying bull$hit, to justify bad behaviour and our drop in moral standards.IMO

Men are becoming effeminate or is that metrosexual, while women don't seem too keen on taking the prominent role as the bread winner.
Hope we can find a happy balance, maybe Penny Wong has it right.

My christmas rant

I wonder whether Penny Wong has ordered a boy or a girl or if she has any control over what she gives birth to.

Come what may, she will be entitled to the extravagant PPL applied to politicians and public servants that the civic Maryannes who only get the paltry Labor scheme.in comparison.

And the Labor Party preach fairness?????????????????

 

[noco]

Well Morrison the sociopathic toe cutter is now in charge of Social Security. His contribution to the asylum seeker boat refugees was reclassifying them as "illegals" and then making it absolutely clear that being an asylum seeker in Australia was going to be so horrible they may as well top themselves at home.

On that sort of performance I wouldn't want to be on Social Security benefits under Morrisons TLC. They may as well start getting their affairs in order because the New Year will certainly bring a new broom and a rubbish bin for a home.

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I wonder if the Australian community will come to the defence of their fellow citizens or will they swallow whatever lying tatt is used in defense of making it impossible to live on Social Security benefits.

basilio, there are lots of people on disability pensions who are faking their injury and exploiting the social welfare system.

I once had a neighbor, a man about 40, who was on a disability pension for a neck problem....He would religiously walk down the street, "stiff necked", with his neck brace securely fitted, but come after school he had no problem playing foot ball with his kids in the back yard.

These are the sort of rorts that should be stopped and I hope Morrison tracks them down.

Read my post #5292...if people don't like the amount they are paid to be on the welfare dole, then they should get off their backsides and do something about it....There are plenty of opportunities out their if you care to look.

Those dole bludgers should stop whinging and start working.

 

[banco]

Can you tell me, who has done much for women, at the political level? In the last 20 years.

It just seems like another stick, to beat Abbott with, not that they need more.

What did the Labor sisters do for women? other than help put the knife in Gillard?

I find the constant abuse of Abbott, as sexist bewildering, he doesn't retaliate yet cops more abuse.

I think everyone would be up in arms, if Abbott was female, but he isn't so he just has to suck it up. lol

People really need to get a grip on reality, why is abuse of Abbott o.k because he's a male.

Yet vague innuendo of sexist remarks toward Gillard, brings about a world news spray against Abbott.

We really are bringing on our own demise, by glorifying bull$hit, to justify bad behaviour and our drop in moral standards.IMO

Men are becoming effeminate or is that metrosexual, while women don't seem too keen on taking the prominent role as the bread winner.
Hope we can find a happy balance, maybe Penny Wong has it right.

My christmas rant

Labor put in a PPL scheme old man.

 

[sptrawler]

Labor put in a PPL scheme old man.

I don't think I mentioned anything about a PPL system. You might be confusing me with noco, easily done.

 

[noco]

Labor put in a PPL scheme old man.

Yes they did and that same scheme should apply to female politicians and public servants and not the extravaganza they now enjoy and paid for by the tax payer.

The Labor Party say they believe in fairness......where is the fairness hear?

 

[banco]

I don't think I mentioned anything about a PPL system. You might be confusing me with noco, easily done.

You asked what labor had done for women. They put in a PPL scheme in 2010.

 

[banco]

Yes they did and that same scheme should apply to female politicians and public servants and not the extravaganza they now enjoy and paid for by the tax payer.

The Labor Party say they believe in fairness......where is the fairness hear?

Lots of private employers go above and beyond what the current PPL scheme provides for. The PPL scheme is a baseline.

 

[Julia]

I find the constant abuse of Abbott, as sexist bewildering, he doesn't retaliate yet cops more abuse.

I think everyone would be up in arms, if Abbott was female, but he isn't so he just has to suck it up. lol

People really need to get a grip on reality, why is abuse of Abbott o.k because he's a male.

I agree. There are good reasons to criticise Mr Abbott, but it's seeming more and more as though the people who dislike him, plus of course those whose own unflinching devotion to Labor determines they will automatically be critical of the government, are joining in a pack mentality type of campaign to bring him down rather than consider he's only a third through the term and that the government has actually got through much of their agenda, very much including stopping of irregular immigration which was so enraging much of the population.

I'll suggest again that Mr Abbott needs to be less passive about accepting all this flak and take a leaf out of Scott Morrison's book - that bloke knows how to stand up for himself and his beliefs.
It's time Mr Abbott stopped trying to be all things to all people because he simply cannot be.

And banco, is it really necessary to address anyone as 'old man'?