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Knobby22 said:
I notice no one has commented on the new ministry.

The number of women on it has increased by 100%! The Libs sorely needed the reshuffle and though I agree with some of the junior talent going up, I think more of the senior ministers should have gone. Hockey for one.
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Agree about Hockey, but to have moved him from Treasurer at this stage would be to concede total failure of the Budget and his role generally. I'd imagine the political damage from so doing would render such a move out of the question.
You could probably make the very same remarks about Mr Abbott himself.

I cannot understand Kevin Andrews continuing to have any significant role. Just cannot see anything useful in this person whatsoever.

Sussan Ley should do well with Health.

It will be interesting to see what Scott Morrison does in this new enlarged "Social Services" p/f. If he applies the same zeal as he did in border protection there will be plenty of feathers flying.
 
Julia said:
Agree about Hockey, but to have moved him from Treasurer at this stage would be to concede total failure of the Budget and his role generally. I'd imagine the political damage from so doing would render such a move out of the question.
You could probably make the very same remarks about Mr Abbott himself.

I cannot understand Kevin Andrews continuing to have any significant role. Just cannot see anything useful in this person whatsoever.

Sussan Ley should do well with Health.

It will be interesting to see what Scott Morrison does in this new enlarged "Social Services" p/f. If he applies the same zeal as he did in border protection there will be plenty of feathers flying.
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Agree 100%. We all knew Hockey was safe...for now.

I have heard Josh Frydenburg speak and he is an intelligent guy.
Simon Birmingham got moved sideways but he is a real future leader imo with a better understanding of the public than many.

Kevin Andrews has been around for ever and never been much chop. Don't know why he does so well.

I don't know much about Sussan Ley so its good to hear your opinion.
 
Knobby22 said:
Agree 100%. We all knew Hockey was safe...for now.
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Abbott needs Hockey, because Hockey makes Abbott look good.

I say Abbott on the Sunrise program on Channel 7 this morning, his performance would not have him elected to the role of a school captain.

He fails dismally to articulate anything.

I don't have a problem with that, unless he does not deliver in a tangible fashion.
 
Macquack said:
Abbott needs Hockey, because Hockey makes Abbott look good.

I say Abbott on the Sunrise program on Channel 7 this morning, his performance would not have him elected to the role of a school captain.

He fails dismally to articulate anything.

I don't have a problem with that, unless he does not deliver in a tangible fashion.
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If you re read your post, you seem to be suffering, from the same affliction. Therefore your judgement is questionable.
 
ghotib said:
Abbott has shown himself to be lazy, ignorant and smug. He's utterly unfit for the job of PM. I'm ashamed that he was elected and disgusted that he hasn't been thrown out.

Thank you, I feel better now.

But I won't feel well until Abbott is out of parliament and blackballed from any position of influence in the affairs of the nation.
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I could repeat your exact post, just substituting the names of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. Thank god they are gone.

At least the current government is not similarly disposed to come up with all sorts of pie in the sky feel good schemes with no idea of how to pay for them.

I know it will never happen, but I would like to see a new rule introduced whereby any government or opposition proposing a scheme for the future is obliged to accompany that warm, fuzzy idea with full costings and a detailed explanation of where the funds will be coming from.
 
Julia said:
I know it will never happen, but I would like to see a new rule introduced whereby any government or opposition proposing a scheme for the future is obliged to accompany that warm, fuzzy idea with full costings and a detailed explanation of where the funds will be coming from.
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Unfortunately, most of the last Government that can be held responsible, jumped ship.

All we have left is the knife merchants and the sisters. IMO:D

But who cares, they're still good, Whooa, hi five
 
Julia said:
I could repeat your exact post, just substituting the names of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. Thank god they are gone.

At least the current government is not similarly disposed to come up with all sorts of pie in the sky feel good schemes with no idea of how to pay for them.

I know it will never happen, but I would like to see a new rule introduced whereby any government or opposition proposing a scheme for the future is obliged to accompany that warm, fuzzy idea with full costings and a detailed explanation of where the funds will be coming from.
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Labor spent the mining tax funds they never received.
 
Julia said:
I could repeat your exact post, just substituting the names of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. Thank god they are gone.

At least the current government is not similarly disposed to come up with all sorts of pie in the sky feel good schemes with no idea of how to pay for them.
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They had their own faults and you're certainly not alone in being glad to see them gone, but you can't reasonably accuse either of them of mental laziness. I think that Abbott's laziness, even more than his rampant sexism, is what makes him utterly unfit for the job of PM. His rampant sexism is just one symptom of his underlying refusal to acknowledge a new idea, but it happens to be the one that's the last straw for me.

Interesting to see that Fairfax business reporter Adele Ferguson has a column tonight about Abbott's claimed achievement for women. I've never seen a personal opinion piece like it from her; it's tempting to think this was a last straw moment for her too.

I know it will never happen, but I would like to see a new rule introduced whereby any government or opposition proposing a scheme for the future is obliged to accompany that warm, fuzzy idea with full costings and a detailed explanation of where the funds will be coming from.
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As you say, it'll never happen, but maybe it's not quite tackling the right issue anyway. What about acknowledging that all budgets get changed, and forcing the pollies to say which schemes, actual and proposed, they would drop first if there was less money available than they expected. That would give voters a better chance of holding them accountable, and make it harder for them to befuddle everyone with bs numbers. Maybe?
 
At least the current government is not similarly disposed to come up with all sorts of pie in the sky feel good schemes with no idea of how to pay for them.
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Like Abbott's PPL ?

West Connex ? The Victorian vote showed that the road was not the great deal for Melbourne that Abbott was saying it was.
 
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Interesting, I'll have a look at that. Speed impact is the thing you always seem to run into with VPN.
 
SirRumpole said:
If Morrison can clear up some of the rorts in the disability support pension, we should all be grateful for the saving of taxpayers money.

I have a feeling that this in an area where there is gross abuse, compliant medicos and systematic ethnic based scammer rings with insiders in the Department of Social Services who hand out largesse to their own groups, possibly with the aid of a few backhanders.

How many of these people who caused terrorism scares, including the latest idiot were on DSP ?

It's a situation let run for too long. People who really need this pension are being squeezed out by the backsliders, and it needs a thorough overhaul.
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Very well said. A thorough review of the DSP is long overdue, and Morrison is the man for the job.

Jacquie Lambie has transitioned from the DSP to a Senate seat, so it can be done!

On the Ministerial reshuffle, the one we should be concerned about is Peter Dutton (Mr Co-payment $7) to Immigration.
 
ghotib said:
His rampant sexism is just one symptom of his underlying refusal to acknowledge a new idea, but it happens to be the one that's the last straw for me.
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Ah yes, that rampant sexism that sees him with a female chief of staff.:rolleyes:
His wife and daughters don't appear to be cowed by his so called sexism.
Yes, he has made some idiotic remarks about ironing etc., but I'd attribute that more to his generally old fashioned mind-set rather than any genuine disrespect toward women.

And Ms Ferguson's political affiliations are well known so anything she writes would be predictable.

As you say, it'll never happen, but maybe it's not quite tackling the right issue anyway. What about acknowledging that all budgets get changed, and forcing the pollies to say which schemes, actual and proposed, they would drop first if there was less money available than they expected. That would give voters a better chance of holding them accountable, and make it harder for them to befuddle everyone with bs numbers. Maybe?
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Like many ideas it sounds OK in principle but can you really actually imagine it happening? The journalists would make mincemeat out of them on it.

Just don't make commitments (especially completely unnecessary ones when you have the election in the bag anyway) that you cannot keep. Just change the language to something "our priority will be to....." etc.

SirRumpole said:
Like Abbott's PPL ?
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For about the thousandth time, Rumpole:
1. no one here has supported this so it's pretty pointless your continuing to raise it
2. even in its awfulness, it's paid for by a tax on big business, not the taxpayer.

Can't comment on Victorian issues - know nothing about them.
 
Well Morrison the sociopathic toe cutter is now in charge of Social Security. His contribution to the asylum seeker boat refugees was reclassifying them as "illegals" and then making it absolutely clear that being an asylum seeker in Australia was going to be so horrible they may as well top themselves at home.

On that sort of performance I wouldn't want to be on Social Security benefits under Morrisons TLC. They may as well start getting their affairs in order because the New Year will certainly bring a new broom and a rubbish bin for a home.:(

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I wonder if the Australian community will come to the defence of their fellow citizens or will they swallow whatever lying tatt is used in defense of making it impossible to live on Social Security benefits.
 
Julia said:
For about the thousandth time, Rumpole:
1. no one here has supported this so it's pretty pointless your continuing to raise it
2. even in its awfulness, it's paid for by a tax on big business, not the taxpayer.

Can't comment on Victorian issues - know nothing about them.
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The same Govt that is Ok txing the large companies for an overly generous PPL is now siding with those same companies to try and cut back on the shift penalties for those working weekends, public holidays and unsavoury late hours and over night.

So if it's businesses paying for the PPL, then why not just jack up corporate taxes and make them pay for more? Th e original form of the PPL was going to require over $2.2B from general revenue to top up the 1.5% corporate levy ie it was still goign to cost tax payer directly more than Labor's PPL. At the end of the day the 1.5% levy will be paid for by either the company employees via reduce pay rises or job losses, and the company's customers depending on how much of the cost can be passed on, so in the end we all pay for it, just not as directly as via taxes.

To put the PPL fiasco into perspective:

Think of it: an effective childcare system - one where there are spaces to meet demand, costs don’t rival a parents’ rent or mortgage payments and employs an educated industry earning a livable wage. Think of all those wages going into the economy from both parents and the industry.

You’d probably be thinking of the Early Years Quality Fund that the Abbot government axed last year.

Cost of the Early Years Quality Fund? $300 million.

Cost of the paid parental leave scheme? $5.5 billion.

It was quite a modest price in comparison to the Liberals’ planned splurge. Instead of the paid parental leave scheme’s proposed $5.5 billion cost, it’s easily possible to reinstate the Early Years Quality Fund and there’s even enough left to pay $1.2 billion for a planned pay increase for aged care workers (also scrapped by the Abbott government), plus $1.8 billion to save 3000 jobs under the endangered Medicare Locals scheme.
 
basilio said:
Well Morrison the sociopathic toe cutter is now in charge of Social Security. His contribution to the asylum seeker boat refugees was reclassifying them as "illegals" and then making it absolutely clear that being an asylum seeker in Australia was going to be so horrible they may as well top themselves at home.

On that sort of performance I wouldn't want to be on Social Security benefits under Morrisons TLC. They may as well start getting their affairs in order because the New Year will certainly bring a new broom and a rubbish bin for a home.:(

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I wonder if the Australian community will come to the defence of their fellow citizens or will they swallow whatever lying tatt is used in defense of making it impossible to live on Social Security benefits.
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My hope is that the push back from the relatively unfair budget means any effort to demonise the poor and unemployed wont get public support. With rising unemployment and more people feeling insecure with their employment, a lot more voters will be thinking about what any proposed changes could mean for them.

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Of the $90.0 billion in cash payments, $36.3 billion was for older people and $25.5 billion was for families and children.

Seems the focus on that tiny green bar at the top for unemployment benefits is a wee bit wasted. For the same level of effort and voter angst you could tackle some of the tax expenditure rorts around super / negative gearing / capital gains tax / abuse of trusts. The Govt has just backed down from doing anything about multinationals siphoning profits out of Australia.

The Abbott Government. Strong against the weak. Weak against the strong.

Anyone who thinks living on $35 a day is the high life should try it.
 
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