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noco said:
That is a very convenient answer but the suspicions remain of malpractice by the Labor Party when it comes to such hearings....It is like letting the fox look after the chickens.......The Fabian motto......"A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING".
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No, YOUR suspicions remain, and always will because you are a class warrior, first, last and always.
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SirRumpole said:
No, YOUR suspicions remain, and always will because you are a class warrior, first, last and always.
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Thanks Rumpy....I am pleased you have a high opinion of me....I like the way you think of your old mate.:D

Freedom of speech...ain't it great?
 
Another Grand Jury report in the US outlining the abuse of children by priests.

Same story different place. Widespread abuse. Priests shuffled around. No one believed the kids. Action was delayed and delayed and delayed - mostly to get past Statute of Limitations and allowing people to die off.
He was a monster': how priest child abuse tore apart Pennsylvania towns

A grand jury report issued last week details abuse by dozens of Catholic leaders in the small communities of Altoona-Johnstown from the 1950s to the 1990s
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Tuesday 8 March 2016 23.30 AEDT

One of Brian Gergely’s fellow altar boys had a code he would use to signal danger in the room where they and the priest prepared for mass.

“He would say ‘red buttons’, and that was the alert that the priest was coming up behind you, and we would try to get away from him, running around the desk in the middle of the room where he kept the chalices, the host and the wine,” said Gergely, 46.

Gergely was 10 at the time.

The priest was Monsignor Francis McCaa, a commanding figure in the small Pennsylvania town of Ebensburg in his black cassock with the red buttons, and one of dozens of Catholic leaders named in a devastating report issued last week by a state grand jury detailing appalling child sex abuse in his diocese and a systematic cover-up by the church.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...priest-child-sex-abuse-ebensburg-pennsylvania

More details in the following article
Catholic bishops covered up 'hundreds' of sexual abuses in Pennsylvania

New grand jury investigation of central Pennsylvania diocese says bishops protected over 50 priests who sexually abused hundreds of children
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ops-cover-up-priest-sexual-abuses-of-children
 
basilio said:
Another Grand Jury report in the US outlining the abuse of children by priests.

Same story different place. Widespread abuse. Priests shuffled around. No one believed the kids. Action was delayed and delayed and delayed - mostly to get past Statute of Limitations and allowing people to die off.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...priest-child-sex-abuse-ebensburg-pennsylvania

More details in the following article


http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ops-cover-up-priest-sexual-abuses-of-children
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Ah yes...the good old commo paper the Guardian...What else would you expect from them?

http://www.islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/child-abuse-islam.htm
 
basilio said:
Another Grand Jury report in the US outlining the abuse of children by priests.

Same story different place. Widespread abuse. Priests shuffled around. No one believed the kids. Action was delayed and delayed and delayed - mostly to get past Statute of Limitations and allowing people to die off.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...priest-child-sex-abuse-ebensburg-pennsylvania

More details in the following article


http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ops-cover-up-priest-sexual-abuses-of-children
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There are too many cases of child abuse in the Catholic church worldwide to believe that it was unknown to the hierarchy (those who were not involved themselves).

To me it points to an organised ring of pedophiles who saw the church and the cover it provided as a way to spend their lives indulging their fantasies and being paid for it as well.

I say again that there does not appear to be any concerted action on behalf of the church to weed these people out before they become priests and are given access to children.

Are churches exempt from legislation and checks that other "working with children" employees have to go through ?

I wonder if the Commission has addressed that issue.
 
SirRumpole said:
There are too many cases of child abuse in the Catholic church worldwide to believe that it was unknown to the hierarchy (those who were not involved themselves).

To me it points to an organised ring of pedophiles who saw the church and the cover it provided as a way to spend their lives indulging their fantasies and being paid for it as well.

I say again that there does not appear to be any concerted action on behalf of the church to weed these people out before they become priests and are given access to children.

Are churches exempt from legislation and checks that other "working with children" employees have to go through ?

I wonder if the Commission has addressed that issue.
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When will the RC address child sex abuse in Aboriginal Communities?.......This problem is far greater than what is happening in the Roman Catholic Church by far....Have a read of the statistics.


http://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2013/05/aboriginal-child-abuse-the-royal-commission-cannot-avoid/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-25/sex-abuse-reports-rise-among-indigenous-children/4843600
 
noco said:
When will the RC address child sex abuse in Aboriginal Communities?.......This problem is far greater than what is happening in the Roman Catholic Church by far....Have a read of the statistics.


http://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2013/05/aboriginal-child-abuse-the-royal-commission-cannot-avoid/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-25/sex-abuse-reports-rise-among-indigenous-children/4843600
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The fact is that after the Stolen Generation, criticising Aboriginal child rearing is taboo. No government would do it, not Liberal or Labor. They are both gutless in that respect.
 
basilio said:
Awful stuff happening to Aborigines in Queensland



http://www.theguardian.com/australi...titution-revealed-in-secret-government-report

Can't give it any credance of course because it was published "in that load of commo rubbish" The Guardian.:rolleyes:
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The report published by the "RED RAG" Guardian was compiled by Professor Stephan Smallbone of Griffith University.......The Guardian could hardly distort the facts like they normally do......In this incident they were only the messenger in which case your argument has been blown out of the water as The Guardian having been some Messiah in bringing out the facts.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ut-of-the-shadows-report-20160312-gnhedt.html
 
noco said:
The report published by the "RED RAG" Guardian was compiled by Professor Stephan Smallbone of Griffith University.......The Guardian could hardly distort the facts like they normally do......In this incident they were only the messenger in which case your argument has been blown out of the water as The Guardian having been some Messiah in bringing out the facts.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ut-of-the-shadows-report-20160312-gnhedt.html
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Ah Noco,s version of reality. When he likes the news story The Guardian is running they are just the messenger. When he doesn't like the news story they are running they are a "commo rag."

Ever considered the possibility that The Guardian in many, many cases is just running the story and being the messenger? That in fact you could find almost exactly the same story in a score of other media outlets ? For example the case of the Grand Jury report on the abuse of children by Catholic priests was big news everywhere.

Same story different messengers. Wake up mate. Most of the time you are just dreaming.

Punch this heading into Google and see how many other medias reported the story

"Grand jury report on Catholic sex abuse"

Grand jury report reveals decades of clergy sex abuse in ...
ncronline.org/.../grand-jury-report-reveals-decades-clergy-sex-abuse-alto...
Mar 2, 2016 - The 147-page grand jury report chronicles a history of abuse in the ... issue of clergy sexual abuse in Pennsylvania, following grand jury reports in ... 58 active priests under age 75 and a Catholic population of roughly 94,000.
Reports of Attorneys General, Grand Juries, Individuals ...

www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/reports.htm
7) Philadelphia PA - Grand Jury Report, September 15, 2005 ... Karen Terry et al., The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the ...
Read the grand jury report on sexual abuse of children by ...

www.pennlive.com/politics/index.../grand_jury_accuses_priests_in.html
Mar 1, 2016 - The report from the statewide grand jury released on Tuesday accuses priests in Altoona-Johnstown Catholic Diocese of sexually abusing ...
In the news
147-Page Grand Jury Report on Pennsylvania Diocese Reveals Decades of Sexual Abuse and Cover-up

The Nonprofit Quarterly‎ - 2 days ago
The Grand Jury found, as was the case in most sexual assault reports ... other investigative reports of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, ...
Catholic church's secret archives key to exposing sex abuse scandal

Allentown Morning Call‎ - 26 mins ago
Lawmaker: Investigate every Catholic diocese in Pa.
York Daily Record/Sunday News‎ - 3 days ago
More news for Grand jury report on Catholic sex abuse
Grand jury: Altoona diocese concealed sex abuse of hundreds

www.post-gazette.com/news/...abuse...grand-jury.../201603010091
Mar 1, 2016 - The report says priests molested children, bishops covered it up and ... Grand jury: Altoona diocese concealed sex abuse of hundreds of children by priests ... 50 priests in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown.
Report: Priests abused hundreds of kids in Altoona ...

www.catholicnews.com/.../report-priests-abused-hundreds-of-kids-in-alto...
Mar 2, 2016 - A grand jury report released March 1 by Pennsylvania Attorney General ... up clerical sexual abuse in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown to ... Amy B. Hill, spokesperson for the Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, said in an ...
Grand jury: 2 bishops hid sex abuse of hundreds of children


bigstory.ap.org/.../grand-jury-2-bishops-hid-sex-abuse-hundreds-childre...
Mar 1, 2016 - (AP) ”” Two Catholic bishops who led a small Pennsylvania diocese helped cover up ... The 147-page report issued Tuesday on sexual abuse in the ... Saylor told the grand jury that the mayors of Altoona and Johnstown even ...
Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Roman_Cathol...
Jump to grand jury - The 2011 grand jury report said that as many as 37 priests were credibly accused of sexual abuse or inappropriate behavior toward ...
Pennsylvania Diocese Leaders Knew of Sex Abuse for ...

www.nytimes.com/.../pennsylvania-diocese-leaders-knew-of-sex-abuse-for-...
Mar 1, 2016 - Clergy Accused of Abuse in Pennsylvania ... discussed a grand jury report that said two Catholic bishops at the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese hid ...
Grand Jury Report: 2 Bishops Hid Sex Abuse Of Hundreds ...

philadelphia.cbslocal.com/.../grand-jury-2-bishops-hid-sex-abuse-of-hun...
Mar 1, 2016 - ALTOONA, Pa. (AP) ”” Two Roman Catholic bishops who led a central Pennsylvania diocese helped cover up the sexual abuse of hundreds of ...
 
basilio said:
Ah Noco,s version of reality. When he likes the news story The Guardian is running they are just the messenger. When he doesn't like the news story they are running they are a "commo rag."

Ever considered the possibility that The Guardian in many, many cases is just running the story and being the messenger? That in fact you could find almost exactly the same story in a score of other media outlets ? For example the case of the Grand Jury report on the abuse of children by Catholic priests was big news everywhere.

Same story different messengers. Wake up mate. Most of the time you are just dreaming.

Punch this heading into Google and see how many other medias reported the story

"Grand jury report on Catholic sex abuse"

Grand jury report reveals decades of clergy sex abuse in ...
ncronline.org/.../grand-jury-report-reveals-decades-clergy-sex-abuse-alto...
Mar 2, 2016 - The 147-page grand jury report chronicles a history of abuse in the ... issue of clergy sexual abuse in Pennsylvania, following grand jury reports in ... 58 active priests under age 75 and a Catholic population of roughly 94,000.
Reports of Attorneys General, Grand Juries, Individuals ...

www.bishop-accountability.org/AtAGlance/reports.htm
7) Philadelphia PA - Grand Jury Report, September 15, 2005 ... Karen Terry et al., The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the ...
Read the grand jury report on sexual abuse of children by ...

www.pennlive.com/politics/index.../grand_jury_accuses_priests_in.html
Mar 1, 2016 - The report from the statewide grand jury released on Tuesday accuses priests in Altoona-Johnstown Catholic Diocese of sexually abusing ...
In the news
147-Page Grand Jury Report on Pennsylvania Diocese Reveals Decades of Sexual Abuse and Cover-up

The Nonprofit Quarterly‎ - 2 days ago
The Grand Jury found, as was the case in most sexual assault reports ... other investigative reports of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, ...
Catholic church's secret archives key to exposing sex abuse scandal

Allentown Morning Call‎ - 26 mins ago
Lawmaker: Investigate every Catholic diocese in Pa.
York Daily Record/Sunday News‎ - 3 days ago
More news for Grand jury report on Catholic sex abuse
Grand jury: Altoona diocese concealed sex abuse of hundreds

www.post-gazette.com/news/...abuse...grand-jury.../201603010091
Mar 1, 2016 - The report says priests molested children, bishops covered it up and ... Grand jury: Altoona diocese concealed sex abuse of hundreds of children by priests ... 50 priests in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown.
Report: Priests abused hundreds of kids in Altoona ...

www.catholicnews.com/.../report-priests-abused-hundreds-of-kids-in-alto...
Mar 2, 2016 - A grand jury report released March 1 by Pennsylvania Attorney General ... up clerical sexual abuse in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown to ... Amy B. Hill, spokesperson for the Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, said in an ...
Grand jury: 2 bishops hid sex abuse of hundreds of children


bigstory.ap.org/.../grand-jury-2-bishops-hid-sex-abuse-hundreds-childre...
Mar 1, 2016 - (AP) ”” Two Catholic bishops who led a small Pennsylvania diocese helped cover up ... The 147-page report issued Tuesday on sexual abuse in the ... Saylor told the grand jury that the mayors of Altoona and Johnstown even ...
Sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Roman_Cathol...
Jump to grand jury - The 2011 grand jury report said that as many as 37 priests were credibly accused of sexual abuse or inappropriate behavior toward ...
Pennsylvania Diocese Leaders Knew of Sex Abuse for ...

www.nytimes.com/.../pennsylvania-diocese-leaders-knew-of-sex-abuse-for-...
Mar 1, 2016 - Clergy Accused of Abuse in Pennsylvania ... discussed a grand jury report that said two Catholic bishops at the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese hid ...
Grand Jury Report: 2 Bishops Hid Sex Abuse Of Hundreds ...

philadelphia.cbslocal.com/.../grand-jury-2-bishops-hid-sex-abuse-of-hun...
Mar 1, 2016 - ALTOONA, Pa. (AP) ”” Two Roman Catholic bishops who led a central Pennsylvania diocese helped cover up the sexual abuse of hundreds of ...
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It is always very obvious to me when I hit a raw nerve in one of you lefties you have no alternative but to to resort to the old Fabian tactic of discredit and ridicule.....If comments like "DREAMING AND WAKE UP MATE" is the best you can do to win an argument then I must feel sorry for you.
 
noco said:
It is always very obvious to me when I hit a raw nerve in one of you lefties you have no alternative but to to resort to the old Fabian tactic of discredit and ridicule.....If comments like "DREAMING AND WAKE UP MATE" is the best you can do to win an argument then I must feel sorry for you.
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Actually Noco my argument was simply presenting the squillion other news organisations that presented the same story as The Guardian on the sex abuse of children by the Catholic Church to discredit your rejection of the story on the first occasion.

Back to the land of nod Noco.:)
 
basilio said:
Actually Noco my argument was simply presenting the squillion other news organisations that presented the same story as The Guardian on the sex abuse of children by the Catholic Church to discredit your rejection of the story on the first occasion.

Back to the land of nod Noco.:)
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Once again you have reverted to the Fabian way of character assassination...Is that the best you can really do?

The Fabians, Socialism, Communism what ever term you like to use are all "WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING" and that is their own motto and the Guardian News Paper is their propaganda machine as is the ABC.
 
I wonder why people like this have not come to the notice of the Child Abuse Royal Commission.

Malka Leifer: Australian principal accused of 74 child sex charges walks free in Israel

The former principal of an ultra-Orthodox girls school in Melbourne has been ruled mentally unfit to face extradition and had her home detention lifted in a move that has shocked and deeply concerned Australian officials.
Key points:

Judge rules Malka Leifer unfit to face extradition
She is wanted by Victorian police for charges of indecent assault, rape
Leifer's house arrest will be lifted
Victims disappointed by move

A Jerusalem judge has ruled that Malka Leifer is not mentally fit to face extradition proceedings to Australia.

Leifer is wanted by Victorian police on 74 charges of indecent assault and rape allegedly involving girls at the Adass Israel School in Melbourne.

In 2008, after accusations were first raised against her, the former principal fled to Israel with her family in the middle of the night, allegedly with the help of senior members of Melbourne's secretive Adass community.

For two years, she has managed to evade 10 extradition proceedings, claiming that she faces panic attacks whenever scheduled court dates arise and that she is too unwell to attend court.

On Thursday, a long-awaited report from the district psychiatrist agreed she was mentally unwell and Judge Amnon Cohen ruled she would not face an extradition hearing until she had completed psychiatric treatment that could go on for years.

Her house arrest in Israel will be lifted, allowing her to walk free for the first time since she was arrested by Israeli police at the request of Australia in August 2014.

However, the Israeli prosecutor's office has been given 72 hours to appeal the lifting of the house arrest and the ABC understands it will do this.

More at

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-...ed-of-74-child-sex-charges-walks-free/7473246
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Because, in my view, they are gutless and more concerned with reputation and "niceties" of law than the victims of such abhorrent behaviour. The community which allegedly assisted this person to leave this country should hang their heads in shame. They have offended their faith and humanity. Just my opinion of course.
 
SirRumpole said:
I wonder why people like this have not come to the notice of the Child Abuse Royal Commission.

Malka Leifer: Australian principal accused of 74 child sex charges walks free in Israel
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So, this sadistic rapist has panic attacks when she thinks about facing court.
What would her victims experience when thinking back at the events? Orgasms??

Shudder the thought how an Israeli judge would've ruled if the rapist had been Australian, maybe even of German extraction.

This sordid episode highlights what is wrong with Western Jurisprudence: We're soft on criminals and ignore the plight of their victims. It's always "someone else's fault" that "made them do it", and the victims get a patronising pat on the back, plus - if they're lucky - a sum of cash, forcibly collected from either the taxpayer or by way of higher insurance premiums from everyone who holds a policy.
 
pixel said:
So, this sadistic rapist has panic attacks when she thinks about facing court.
What would her victims experience when thinking back at the events? Orgasms??

Shudder the thought how an Israeli judge would've ruled if the rapist had been Australian, maybe even of German extraction.

This sordid episode highlights what is wrong with Western Jurisprudence: We're soft on criminals and ignore the plight of their victims. It's always "someone else's fault" that "made them do it", and the victims get a patronising pat on the back, plus - if they're lucky - a sum of cash, forcibly collected from either the taxpayer or by way of higher insurance premiums from everyone who holds a policy.
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I think it may go a bit deeper than that.

The Jewish community in Australia is very powerful. So is the Catholic church but it has been gradually losing power and influence. They all try and cover up their blunders.

That the Jewish community or parts thereof aided this person to escape Australia must be rigorously investigated by the police. I wonder why they and the Commission have been so quiet about it.
 
The range and scope of the allegations made against Cardinal Pell suggest he is in a heap of trouble. If anyone else had such a range of complainants against them one would think they would certainly be charged and have to face a court.

I suppose the fact that the complaints have decided to make their voices public highlights their concern this could be buried again.

Next question will be how Pope Francis responds.
 
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