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I agree with you Sir Rumpole on asking how the Catholic Church should be ensuring it doesn't have abusers in the system. Interestingly enough the reference I gave goes into great detail on how the secretive, obedience focused systems of the CC helped create unhealthy environments.

With regard to current activities by senior Church officials to stop immoral behaviour by priests check out this story
SEXUAL PREDATOR PRIESTS


There are a small number of Catholic priests in Irish Dioceses and Religious Orders who are sexual predators of vulnerable women!

I am not talking about a priest who falls in love with one woman who then has to face the dilemma of either giving up the priesthood and leaving to marry the woman - or giving up the relationship and staying in the priesthood. This is a very understandable human situation and is in fact a "tragedy" for the priest and woman. This can be solved by making celibacy for priests optional.

But I am talking about the cases of cynical "Jack The Lad" priests who are not in love with anyone - except themselves - who target woman after woman in order to have a highly active sex life. These priests quite typically have several women on the go at the one time!

The case of a religious order priest comes to mind. At the time I met ONE of his women he had three women on the go at the one time - a nun, a widow and a married woman.

The nun, he said, was his "spiritual wife" and he allowed himself to have full penetrative sex with the nun. The widow and the married woman were his "bits on the side" and he had non-penetrative sex with these two women.

What's more he made sure that all three women knew about each other's existence as he seemed to "get off" on having three women fighting over him!

The woman who came to me for help eventually, with my help, approached his superior and got nowhere? Why? Because the superior was himself in a relationship with a woman!

Thankfully my lady was able to cut him loose and over time has achieved some healing. But from what we hear he still has the other two on the go - and for all we know may have replaced my friend with another vulnerable woman?

This case is repeated time and time again in dioceses and religious up and down Ireland.
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http://wisecatholic.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/sexual-predator-priests.html

The author of the bog is Bishop Pat Buckley.
 
Tisme said:
I can't imagine the hate that has filled your core Noco ... it so patently affects your comprehension of the world and people around you.

You know well and truely that I am descendent of first settlers because i has posted same and as much as you try to avoid eye contact you do read my posts, thus the rage inside you when I poke you. :D

Let's try this on with your same argument: if you don't like what someone with early settler pedigree, thus more ownership than you, then you should rack off to where you came from, which I assume is England given your penchant for superior opinions over dinky di Aussies. :rolleyes:

You may not be familiar with us old Australian Families motto espoused so eloquently by Mary Gilmore:


"I am he

Who paved the way,

That you might walk

At your ease today;

I split the rock;

I felled the tree,

The nation was””

Because of me!

"
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Sport, I was born in Brisbane, my father was born in Brisbane and my mother was born in Port Douglas....You don't say where you were born.

I just don't understand why you are holier than thou to sprout your like for the the communist way of living over our democratic way of living in Australia.

I am also asking the question as to why this Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse is limited to the Catholic Church and their pedophile priests...Why aren't the rogues in the Islamic Movement and the Aboriginal Communities included......Yes, we all know why, when you look into who set up this commission and the terms of reference.
 
With regard to current activities by senior Church officials to stop immoral behaviour by priests check out this story


http://wisecatholic.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/sexual-predator-priests.html

The author of the bog is Bishop Pat Buckley.
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Point of clarification here..

I was pretty amazed as I read Bishop Pat Buckleys blog that he managed to survive in the catholic Church.

Fact of the matter is that he was a Catholic priest but has been excommunicated for a long time.

He still calls himself a Bishop but it's strictly in his own sphere. Very colourful character and I think his insights into the Catholic Church still stand.
 
I am also asking the question as to why this Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse is limited to the Catholic Church and their pedophile priests...Why aren't the rogues in the Islamic Movement and the Aboriginal Communities included......Yes, we all know why, when you look into who set up this commission and the terms of reference.
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You don't have much more than a passing wave to reality do you Noco ?

Did you get any hint from the title of the Royal Commission as to it's remit ? ie

Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse

The Commission covered scores of institutions Noco. You can check out their report here.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission...rings/findings

The current questioning of Cardinal Pell was to get to the bottom of the huge intersecting web of child sex abuse that surrounds Cardinal Pell career in Ballarat and Melb.

By the way you will almost certainly examples of aboriginal sexual abuse in the documentation of various orphanages, State Institutions, welfare groups.
 
basilio said:
You don't have much more than a passing wave to reality do you Noco ?

Did you get any hint from the title of the Royal Commission as to it's remit ? ie

Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse

The Commission covered scores of institutions Noco. You can check out their report here.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission...rings/findings

The current questioning of Cardinal Pell was to get to the bottom of the huge intersecting web of child sex abuse that surrounds Cardinal Pell career in Ballarat and Melb.

By the way you will almost certainly examples of aboriginal sexual abuse in the documentation of various orphanages, State Institutions, welfare groups.
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Yes you are right in the fact that there were a score or more, 29 to be exact, institutions mentioned from what I checked on google but not one mention of Muslim or Aboriginal child abuse.

BTW, your URL could not be opened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Institutional_Responses_to_Child_Sexual_Abuse
 
noco said:
Yes you are right in the fact that there were a score or more, 29 to be exact, institutions mentioned from what I checked on google but not one mention of Muslim or Aboriginal child abuse.

BTW, your URL could not be opened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_into_Institutional_Responses_to_Child_Sexual_Abuse
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And what about sub cults like Scientology, Hillsong, Exclusive Bretheren etc. There are loonies all around the place that hide some dark secrets.
 
noco said:
I just don't understand why you are holier than thou to sprout your like for the the communist way of living over our democratic way of living in Australia.

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You're right Noco ... you just don't understand :D

How do you go through life without any funny bone? I don't think I have ever contested with anyone with such tunnel vision.....it's amazing :eek:

Please do yourself a favour and look back on my recent involving you posts and try to find out where I say I like communism..... then take a pic of your embarrassment and post it on instagram.
 
Yes you are right in the fact that there were a score or more, 29 to be exact, institutions mentioned from what I checked on google but not one mention of Muslim or Aboriginal child abuse.

BTW, your URL could not be opened. Noco
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The terms of reference of the Commission were quite broad to allow it cover a wide range of organisations which may have had instances of child sexual abuse which had been covered up. As you noted in the end 29 organisations found themselves trying to explain why children had been abused in their care and why little if anything had been done.

There were a number of cases of aboriginal sexual abuse covered in the examples of welfare homes and orphanages.

If institutions run by Muslims or Aboriginals had situations of child abuse it was totally open for victims to come forward to the Commission and make a case. That doesn't seem to have happened does it or more likely these examples have been a part of the overall cases made against institutions.

The URl for the Commissions findings is

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/public-hearings/findings

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If you check out the website for the Royal Commission you can find where they specifically invited Aboriginal people and people from Non-english speaking backgrounds to come forward if they had been abused and tell their story.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/resource-centre/other-languages
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/resource-centre/indigenous-people
 
Tisme said:
Enough of the blather Noco. The labels are so 1950s scare mongering.

Let's look at the communist countries:

no sanctioned trade unions
no state sanctioned homosexual marriages
no tolerance of kiddie fiddlers
no tolerance of islamists
no andrew bolts
enormous capitalism and investment
full employment
rising standard of living.

Let's look at Oz under a Liberal Govt:

Private investment gone negative
Public expenditure increasing at a greater rate
Cross party support for homosexual marriages
Legalised pot in places
Tolerance of Islamic voodoo
Andrew Bolt
Did I say relatively zip private investment
Real unemployment 9.2%
Falling standard of living

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When Australians start talking about moving to NZ, there's a problem Houston
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Where you have compared communism to OZ under a Liberal government, what other conclusion would you expect anyone to come to.....You indicated favorable thoughts on Communism and criticized OZ under liberal government and that is why I say if you favor communism over Liberalism, then why do you continue to live here in OZ?.......Simple question my learned friend.

You still seem reluctant to state where you were born.
 
basilio said:
The terms of reference of the Commission were quite broad to allow it cover a wide range of organisations which may have had instances of child sexual abuse which had been covered up. As you noted in the end 29 organisations found themselves trying to explain why children had been abused in their care and why little if anything had been done.

There were a number of cases of aboriginal sexual abuse covered in the examples of welfare homes and orphanages.

If institutions run by Muslims or Aboriginals had situations of child abuse it was totally open for victims to come forward to the Commission and make a case. That doesn't seem to have happened does it or more likely these examples have been a part of the overall cases made against institutions.

The URl for the Commissions findings is

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/public-hearings/findings

________________________________________________

If you check out the website for the Royal Commission you can find where they specifically invited Aboriginal people and people from Non-english speaking backgrounds to come forward if they had been abused and tell their story.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/resource-centre/other-languages
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/resource-centre/indigenous-people
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I am sure everybody knows there are dozens of cases of sexual abuse in the Islamic world and Aboriginal communities and it does make me wonder why no one has come forward.....It would not surprise me that as this Royal Commission was set up by a Labor Government in January 13 2013, these cases may well have been suppressed. ....The personnel on the Royal Commission would have been hand picked by Labor and knowing Labor's history they would stop at nothing with their main at destroying the Catholic Church in order to persuade people to convert to socialism...... The snide way the Labor Party operate under the Fabian Flag is well known as stated in an article posted by "Restore Australia"....The Fabians are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
 
noco said:
I am sure everybody knows there are dozens of cases of sexual abuse in the Islamic world and Aboriginal communities and it does make me wonder why no one has come forward.....It would not surprise me that as this Royal Commission was set up by a Labor Government in January 13 2013, these cases may well have been suppressed. ....The personnel on the Royal Commission would have been hand picked by Labor and knowing Labor's history they would stop at nothing with their main at destroying the Catholic Church in order to persuade people to convert to socialism...... The snide way the Labor Party operate under the Fabian Flag is well known as stated in an article posted by "Restore Australia"....The Fabians are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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You really are just taking the pi$$ aren't you old chap ?

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SirRumpole said:
You really are just taking the pi$$ aren't you old chap ?

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SirRumpole said:
You really are just taking the pi$$ aren't you old chap ?

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Rumpy I am a realist and no matter how you and your lefties try to ridicule or discredit me, you are wasting your time.....I am ever suspicious of the Fabians, Communists, Labor, Social Democrats or what ever you like to call them and the propaganda and the the hidden agenda they continue to come up with....I have followed it for so long now and nothing has change my opinion of their Modus Operandi.

I am too old in the tooth for you or any of your lefties to take the pi$$ out of me.
 
SirRumpole said:
And what about sub cults like Scientology, Hillsong, Exclusive Bretheren etc. There are loonies all around the place that hide some dark secrets.
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Isn't Scientology a hangout for closet homosexuals and surrogacy?


I agree, the state should go hard on all the superstitious organisations for any breach of the law. The state has a mandate from Jesus afterall:

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's".
 
Now the trial is over some realistic comments from the literary critic of the Age who, like me, was disgusted with the media witch hunt.
Please rise above it and read the following or better yet read the whole article (link below).


Last week we saw Cardinal George Pell cross-examined for about 20 hours at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse, with the 74-year-old prelate speaking via video link from Rome. Afterwards there was a meeting with victims who were pleased to hear he would try to set up a centre for survivors of abuse.

In an hour-long interview on Sky with Andrew Bolt, Pell said he wasn't so stiff on the inside and, at one point, he appeared to weep. Yet none of this cut the mustard: from much of the response to Pell's testimony, both during and after it, you would imagine he is personally responsible for the sins of the Church.

Why? Because we were witnessing a show trial. A week before the hearing began, the Herald Sun published a leak from Victoria Police that investigations were under way into possible crimes of the cardinal. No new lines of inquiry were offered, no reliable source was indicated and the one specific matter referred to allegations which had been laid to rest in 2002 when they were examined by Justice Southwell.

Still, the day after Pell made his notorious slip about not being "interested" in the sexual abuse, the front page of the Herald Sun said "Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Stop No Evil".

It's nonsense. When Pell initiated the Melbourne Response in 1996 he went further than any bishop had gone to fixing the problem. Yet a lot of people want to blame him for the horrors that were perpetrated for no better reason than they see his formidable, take-no-prisoners manner as the embodiment of the attitude of an arrogant and heartless church.

So, when he says that as a young priest in Ballarat he heard of a brother not only using excessive discipline but behaving dodgily with boys and he spoke with the chaplain who said the Christian Brothers were attending to the problem, this is met with derision.

When he says that Sir Frank Little, then Archbishop of Melbourne, and the Catholic Education Office left him in the dark about accusations against clergy he is told by the head of the Royal Commission and the Assisting Counsel that this is "implausible".

A lot of people seem to want Pell to bear personal responsibility for the sins of the Church, sins against the innocent which have ruined lives, for no better reason than that they don't like him.

It's ironic but it's precisely because Pell was a tough customer that he was liable to be left in the dark. As he indicated to Bolt (never mind that you hate Bolt too), a lot of people in the Church couldn't stand him, both before and after his appointment as Archbishop of Melbourne.

I can remember the disdain of the liberal-minded Jesuits. Pell was theologically conservative and tough-minded in his expression of it. He refused communion to rainbow-sashed gay activists. He took legal action to stop an artwork from being exhibited. There was a whistle of awe when he walked into a press conference and said, "I'm here to object to 'Piss Christ'."

He was the opposite of a conciliatory, namby-pamby ecclesiastic. He was a muscular, confrontational sort of Christian. He came close to playing top-level Australian Rules Football as a ruckman for Richmond and it amused friends and foes alike that an old injury made it next to impossible for this man of God to kneel.

And, yes, he was politically conservative – close to Tony Abbott, a climate change sceptic and an admirer of B.A. Santamaria. He did not get on with the mild-mannered Frank Little and he said in the Royal Commission of Bishop Ronald Mulkearns of Ballarat, "his repeated refusal to act is, I think, extraordinary." Of Little he spoke of an "extraordinary world, a world of crimes and cover-ups and people [who] did not want the status quo to be disturbed."

Should we be surprised that these "merciful" bishops might have wanted to keep Big George, the bull in the china shop, out of the picture? And yet how much the dogs of outrage want to bay at the man who took steps to stop the abuse six years before the events in Boston highlighted in the film Spotlight.

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Pell said that no one told him because he might do something about it, but when someone did tell him he did nothing about it.

A man with feet of sand pretending he's a rock.
 
Knobby22 said:
Now the trial is over some realistic comments from the literary critic of the Age who, like me, was disgusted with the media witch hunt.
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More a media feeding frenzy I think. The media is not the paragon of virtue they would have us believe:- they are merely gossipers, talking heads and wordsmiths IMO.

I don't trust anyone who uses a never been seen being as an excuse to get inside people's heads, but as has been seen by the farce commission, getting inside a church organisation is pretty difficult and if Pell is a good man then he can do better within rather than knocking on the door demanding an audience.

I suspect there has been a lot of lawyers who have made a lot of money from the taxpayer purse and the few who have made a name for themselves in the inner sanctums of the legal brotherhood.
 
Tisme said:
More a media feeding frenzy I think. The media is not the paragon of virtue they would have us believe:- they are merely gossipers, talking heads and wordsmiths IMO.

I don't trust anyone who uses a never been seen being as an excuse to get inside people's heads, but as has been seen by the farce commission, getting inside a church organisation is pretty difficult and if Pell is a good man then he can do better within rather than knocking on the door demanding an audience.

I suspect there has been a lot of lawyers who have made a lot of money from the taxpayer purse and the few who have made a name for themselves in the inner sanctums of the legal brotherhood.
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I don't think the Commission is a complete farce. Better these things see the light of day rather than fester in the background.

The sad thing is that there is more child abuse going on in families that never see the light of day because people don't want to break up a relationship or fear that they will be blamed themselves.

The Church is the tip of the iceberg on child abuse, and societal abuse is something that will never be investigated.
 
SirRumpole said:
I don't think the Commission is a complete farce. Better these things see the light of day rather than fester in the background.
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I don't think it's a farce at all. Pell's Melbourne Response was riddled with conflicts of interest, and was about risk mitigation for the Church. The needs of the victims were a very distant second. In reality millions of children around the world have suffered because of this grubby organisation that still believes itself above the law. Imagine the Catholic Church wasn't a Christian religious organisation, I doubt the Pell Cheer Squad would be as forgiving.
 
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