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It's a complete beat up.
The police have already looked at it.
If he wasn't in the Church the ABC would have writs already. These complainents have an agenda.
 
Knobby22 said:
It's a complete beat up.
The police have already looked at it.
If he wasn't in the Church the ABC would have writs already. These complainents have an agenda.
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Not true Knobby. It is still well and truly being investigated by the police and has been sent to the Office of Public Prosecutions. If there is an agenda by the complainants it's to make sure this isn't quietly binned.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/graham-a...-george-pell-about-leaks-20160728-gqfgt1.html
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...nvestigation-into-police-over-sex-abuse-smear
 
It's a bit of a worry that these guys have waited untill now to come forward.

It all may be true, but can they prove it ?

I don't think much will come out of it as it seems to be their words against Pell's.
 
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It's a bit of a worry that these guys have waited untill now to come forward.

It all may be true, but can they prove it ?

I don't think much will come out of it as it seems to be their words against Pell's.
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They havn't just come out with this. The investigation has been been running for at least a year. In February this year the Herald Sun ran an expose of the allegations. The 7.30 report was, in a sense, the result of the complainants wanting to keep the issue in the public eye.

Regarding proof ? There are three separate sets of allegations at different times with different people. They were multiple actions over a period of time. It wasn't a simple one off behaviour.

I suppose the job of the Office of Prosecutor is to examine the evidence offered and judge if it is strong enough to warrant a prosecution. There are also many people who were witness to the some of the events and it's possible the publicity will jog the memory of others who were also on location.
 
I do not like these inquesst after 20y, it is impossible to really know the truth, the French legal system has the concept of prescription, after a certain time: 10y or 20y I do not remember the details: depends on type of crime, the claims are discarded;
How do you want someone innocent to prove that in the night of 5th of july 1998 or whatever , he did not raped that boy in that place.most witnesses are dead, victims can be confused with dates/face/people especially if children at the time;how can a jury decide that there is no doubt..
This is not justice but witchhunt in my opinion; justice would be better served by ensuring today's crimes are solved.
Note that I am not a friend of the church here but that is too easy to accuse , especially if you take into account the potential monetary gains.
 
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They havn't just come out with this. The investigation has been been running for at least a year. In February this year the Herald Sun ran an expose of the allegations. The 7.30 report was, in a sense, the result of the complainants wanting to keep the issue in the public eye.

Regarding proof ? There are three separate sets of allegations at different times with different people. They were multiple actions over a period of time. It wasn't a simple one off behaviour.

I suppose the job of the Office of Prosecutor is to examine the evidence offered and judge if it is strong enough to warrant a prosecution. There are also many people who were witness to the some of the events and it's possible the publicity will jog the memory of others who were also on location.
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You have to consider the possibility of witness collusion. The two men now making the allegations went to the same school. The wife of the man who ran the pool at the times said she never saw anything inappropriate.

Well , let them try if they have the evidence. Rolf Harris got convicted on similar evidence. It seems the Statute of Limitations doesn't apply in this case.
 
The question of priests abusing children was practically unthinkable 20-30 years ago. The response to children or anyone who tried to accuse priests of such actions was disbelief and generally a refusal to even consider the possibility of such activity.

The statement and circumstances of the person who ticked off George Pell for exposing himself to children in the Torquay Surf Club is quite compelling. And he did tell other people at the time.

George Pell exposed himself to young boys at surf club, says Victorian man

Les Tyack, who reported to police the alleged 1980s incident involving the cardinal, has gone public in the hope it will support child sex abuse survivors

Melissa Davey
@MelissaLDavey

Thursday 28 July 2016 18.21 AEST

A man has spoken publicly about allegedly seeing Australia’s most senior Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, expose himself to a group of young boys at a surf lifesaving club in the late 1980s.

Les Tyack, from Victoria, who reported the alleged incident to police and also provided a statement to the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse, has gone public with his story in the hope it will support survivors who have also spoken out about coverups and abuse by members of the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

Tyack told Guardian Australia: “I witnessed Pell involved in a situation where he very clearly exposed himself to three young boys at Torquay Life Saving Club in the summer of 1986 or 87.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...to-young-boys-at-surf-club-says-victorian-man
 
One of the critical issues with Cardinal Pell is that lived with Gerald Risdale for a long term in Ballarat. Gerald was one of the worst sec abuse offenders amongst the Catholic clergy. The Royal Commission found it very hard to understand how Cardinal Pell was unable to what was happening right in front of him.

What was happening Ballarat ?

The girls, the paedophile and Cardinal Pell
Words: Debi Marshall
Pictures: Paul Harris and Thom Rigney

Australia’s worst paedophile priest, Father Gerald Ridsdale, once lived with a young clergyman who is now Cardinal George Pell. As the Cardinal prepares to give evidence to the child abuse royal commission, two women break decades of silence to tell Debi Marshall about their ordeal in Ridsdale’s care – and their disappointment with Pell.

In 1973, a young Father George Pell, flushed with success from his recent studies in Rome and Oxford, returned to his home town of Ballarat and took up residence in the St Alipius presbytery; a place, it would be publicly revealed more than 20 years later, that was a paedophile’s paradise and a child’s nightmare.

His housemate that year was the tall, rowdy and popular parish priest, Father Gerald Ridsdale. What the parents and parishioners who worshipped God and obeyed the sanctity of the church and its messengers did not know was that from early in his priesthood, Ridsdale was subject to a psychiatric report. He was already a serial child abuser who sodomised children at will, picking them off when and where his desires dictated: in front of a church altar, at the presbytery, or on camping or fishing trips.

When he hurt them, he ignored their cries for him to stop. If they persisted in making a racket, he beat them. Badly.

In May 2015, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse began an investigation into how Catholic Church authorities dealt with paedophile clergy in Ballarat and the impact of abuse. It heard that the diocese was a hotbed of scandal, cover-ups and paedophilia, and that vulnerable children – particularly orphans – had been prey to abusive clergy.

The hulking figure of Fr Ridsdale had given sermons from the pulpit while secretly running an unsophisticated, but terrifyingly effective paedophile ring. All three of Ridsdale’s Christian Brother cohorts - particularly Brother Robert Best - had also enjoyed uninterrupted access to vulnerable children, whom they handed around to each other to abuse.
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http://www.sbs.com.au/news/feature/girls-paedophile-and-cardinal-pell
 
40 ex-students from St Alipius suicided . Why ?

This was published before the Royal Commission. The writer is the lawyer representing the male victims of the priests and brothers who abused them

In the Name of the Father

12 / 07 / 2012

Victoria Police are investigating 40 suicides in the graduate student body of St. Alipius school in Ballarat. All are thought to be linked to child sex offences committed decades ago by Catholic teachers and clergy affiliated with the school. In this piece, lawyer Viv Waller (representing victims of the Christian Brothers) examines the sinister realities of child sex abuse – the offences, the cover-ups and the untold damage done.

St Alipius, a Ballarat Christian Brothers School teaching grades 3–6, has the tragic distinction of being a school in which the entire male teaching staff was comprised of child sex offenders in 1971. The teachers were Christian Brother Robert Best, Brother Edward Dowlan, and Brother Stephen Farrell – all of whom have been convicted of child sex offences later in life. The School Chaplain was Father Gerald Ridsdale, another convicted child sex offender jailed in 1994. There are also many sexual assault allegations against Brother Fitzgerald, now deceased.

School Principal Robert Best was convicted of sexual offences against 11 victims, including two rape charges. The victims were all small school boys at St Alipius, and from two other schools Best subsequently taught at – St Leo’s in Box Hill and St Joseph’s in Geelong. One of Best’s rape victims reportedly confided in his class teacher. The Christian Brother forcibly and repeatedly struck the grade three child until he retracted the statement.

Complaints had been made about Best to the Christian Brothers yet he continued to teach. His convicted offences range from 1962 to 1986. We know also that on one occasion Best was interrupted by another Christian Brother, who, in a gross act of indifference to the child’s suffering, simply smiled and closed the door.

Father Ridsdale had been moved from parish to parish by the Archdiocese of Ballarat. There is evidence the Archdiocese knew of his sexual impropriety by the late 1960s or early 1970. Ridsdale was charged with 93 sexual offences against children in three separate criminal proceedings occurring in 1993, 1994 and 2006. He is currently serving a lengthy prison sentence for multiple counts of buggery and indecent assault upon children – his offences (at least those we know about) span a 26 year period.

Victoria Police are investigating 40 suicides in the graduate student body of St Alipius – all are thought to be linked to sexual offences by Best and Ridsdale.
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http://sheilas.org.au/2012/07/in-the-name-of-the-father/
 
What was Father Gerald Risdales sexual history as a priest ?

Gerald Risdale is in Pentridge for a minimum of 24 years over sex assaults on at least 54 children. How did this all happen ?

This Broken Rites research outlines Geralds history and the role of the Catholic Church in protecting him and the Church over a 30 years period.

It is a long read..


Catholic clergy (including George Pell) looked the other way while Father Ridsdale continued committing more crimes against more children in more parishes

Background article by a Broken Rites researcher

This Broken Rites article is the most comprehensive account available about how the Catholic Church harboured this child-abuse criminal — Father Gerald Francis Ridsdale — for 30 years in western Victoria while his superiors and fellow-priests remained silent to protect the church's public image. In 1982, when Father Ridsdale had been abusing children for 20 years, a clergy committee (of which Father George Pell was a member) noted that Ridsdale was being transferred away from Victoria. Thus, he was inflicted on potential victims in New South Wales. Eventually, in 1993, Victoria Police detectives charged Ridsdale in court. He was accompanied to court by his support person, George Pell, who had become an assistant bishop in Melbourne. However, no bishop accompanied the victims. Encouraged by Broken Rites, more victims later spoke to the detectives. In his four court cases between 1993 and 2014, Ridsdale has been jailed for a minimum of 24 years for assaulting 54 of his victims. Broken Rites is proud of its role in exposing the church's cover-up of this criminal priest.
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http://brokenrites.org.au/drupal/node/55

 
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Pell is back on the radar with the coppers over new sexual abuses allegations
 
I can't understand why these disgusting acts were ever allowed to happen, especially as we were all made beware of never being alone with men, we all knew of the stories of Catholic Priests and little boys, our own gut instincts tell us it's not normal for men and women to vow not to have sexual urges and encounters. We all knew about youth and scout camps and dirty old men running them.

Yet like crowd hysteria, parents en masse sent their kids off to kiddy fiddlers and perverts hiding in plain sight. They still do!!

We mostly all recoil at the those who show little regard for children and treat them harshly for being so, but watching the coverage of the Royal Commission into Institutional Response to Child Abuses the other day and the casual way the clutch high ranking priests maintained confession ranked ahead of reporting confessed child abuse to police, just astounds me.

We berate the Muslims for trying it on having their own cancerous law within our own, but no one seems to cane this perverted mob for following their own cannon law invention. Of course the moral dilemma for both side of parliament is the fact most of them are Catholics themselves and doing anything punitive is akin to lopping off their own hands IMO.


watching 92 yearold Eileen the other day on the ABC morning news was spellbinding for me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-23/eileen-piper-seeks-apology-for-her-daughter/8296642
 
Tisme said:
We berate the Muslims for trying it on having their own cancerous law within our own, but no one seems to cane this perverted mob for following their own cannon law invention.
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Well, we are having a Royal Commission into the Catholic Church and it looks like a verbal caning if nothing else.

Will people be charged ? Let's hope so.
 
SirRumpole said:
Well, we are having a Royal Commission into the Catholic Church and it looks like a verbal caning if nothing else.

Will people be charged ? Let's hope so.
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I hope the RC is extended into the Muslim community to check if any young Muslims girls have received any genital mutilation......The RC seems to be concentrating on the Catholic church.
 
noco said:
I hope the RC is extended into the Muslim community to check if any young Muslims girls have received any genital mutilation......The RC seems to be concentrating on the Catholic church.
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and Anglican.

There was a fella on the ABC extending the definition to "white, anglo saxon, males" which means the Europeans and coloureds have been let off the hook...perhaps roman catholicism is not agreeable with English bloodlines?
 
I don't think we should take the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse for granted. It's been going on for years and somehow we have been inculcated to expect/accept that all the churches, orphanages, State run children institutions, Scouts, youth clubs hid child abusers and did little/nothing to bring them to account.

If we think for more than a few seconds of the effect this abuse had on children we would be horrified. Those you have had direct or indirect experience understand the situation in a way the rest of us cannot.

Do we want to ignore or gloss over these realities? I already see the institutions trying to calm people down even before the final findings are released. Lets see some justice before we put these situations out of the headlines.

Law firms swamped by historical child sexual abuse cases due to royal commisison
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Australian legal firms are experiencing unprecedented demand from people who have suffered alleged child sexual abuse in institutions such as churches, schools and youth groups.

The demand has been spurred on by revelations from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse and legal reforms which allow survivors to make a claim for damages regardless of when the abuse allegedly occurred.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/nsw...-due-to-royal-commisison-20170331-gvarge.html
 

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There was one story from the Commission that said much about the way the the Catholic Church handled the sex abuse of it's various religious orders. Well worth a read. It is horrific.

Child sex abuse royal commission: The night a group of Catholic schoolboys confronted evil
Analysis
By political editor Chris Uhlmann
Updated 7 Feb 2017, 12:09pm

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Map: Canberra 2600
About 20 boys crammed into the small hotel room in Wellington and the mood was sombre.

Marist College Canberra's First XV had gathered to hold court. The 1978 rugby tour of New Zealand was going well, but they weren't there to talk about football.

The night before an incident had profoundly shaken the group.

One of the players had been called to a Marist brother's room on the pretence of treating an injury from that day's game.

The coach tried to sexually assault the boy. He fled, told his closest friend, and word had spread quickly through the touring party.

The boys, aged between 16 and 18, called a meeting. At its end they passed a resolution: the coach was to be banned from the change room, when the team returned to Canberra, the brother was to leave the school and the Marists were called on to guarantee that he would never teach again.

The shocking incident caused one 17-year-old to question a commitment. At school's end he had resolved to leave for Sydney, to train as a priest.

So he sought the counsel of another brother travelling with the group, a popular man who ran a movie club at the school.

When the boy confided his fears about the act of a man who professed to be a model of faith he got an unexpected response.

The brother's face darkened with fury: why would your vocation be affected by the actions of one man? The boy felt ashamed of his doubts.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-07/sex-abuse-royal-commission-schoolboys-confronted-evil/8247130
 
Rumpy you asked the question reference your post #6 dated March 1 2016.

Since then nobody has shown any interest in extending the RC into the Islamic World....Not on this forum or the RC......

There is as much if not more child abuse carried out by Muslims....Genital mutilation.....9 year old child brides forced to marry much older men and it is a known fact it is going on in Australia under the Islamic Sharia law.

Is the terms of reference confined to the Catholic church or all religions?

I would also like some answers.

I just did some quick check and find the terms of reference could most definely apply to Islam as it states all religions.

So why hasn't the RC taken up the taken into account child sex abuse in the Islamic World here in Australia?

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/about-us/terms-of-
AND public and private institutions, including child-care, cultural, educational, religious, sporting and other institutions, provide important services and support for children and their families that are beneficial to children’s development.
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